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Prime Time
06-05-2018, 06:04 PM
So Punk won his defamation lawsuit days before competing at UFC 225. Depending on how that goes he'll presumably be either much bigger news in the world of MMA, or - more likely - he'll be back in a wrestling capacity before too much longer.

Any, discuss CM Punk related news here.

mizfan
06-05-2018, 07:22 PM
I'm really glad he won the court case, regardless of what you think of Punk that was a pretty damn stupid lawsuit that never should have been brought.

His MMA career is a joke, but oh well. It'd be very cool if he was at All In in some way, I've heard hints to that effect, but I won't hold my breath either.

LK3185
06-05-2018, 08:17 PM
Its weird, cause they don't need Punk to sell Tix so all it really would be is good will for another All in show.. which maybe people think is a foregone conclusion but also you only have Punk appear if he's willing to do a match at the next All in... i think its wasted otherwise.

i do think we're closer to a Punk in ring return if for no other reason that once gets smashed on Saturday, i can't see him continuing his mma career and what actually can he do?

mizfan
06-05-2018, 08:25 PM
To have him appear at all would be huge, but I do agree that setting up a future match would be the absolute ideal. Some would love it but I'd be sad if he just cut a shooty promo about WWE or something. They banned Russo for a reason!

Mystic
06-05-2018, 09:40 PM
Ideal: Cody goes over NA.

Celebration.

End of the night.

Except.

CM Punk.

Build a Cody-Punk NWA title feud?

Yes, please.

LK3185
06-05-2018, 11:42 PM
I actually think Punk wouldn't really want to work Japan or that style.. it doesn't really suit what he does so him working Cody and Omega in a one off makes sense.. His goal was always to get to WWE, he's not going to work regular indys anymore i don't think..

point is, people compare him to Bryan but they are not that alike actually. Especially since WWE killed his interest in wrestling.

meandi
06-05-2018, 11:45 PM
Ideal: Cody goes over NA.

Celebration.

End of the night.

Except.

CM Punk.

Build a Cody-Punk NWA title feud?

Yes, please.

I like it. The weather is getting warm again... letís go Summer of Punk, vol. 3, please. Except this time... letís do it all over the world like he claimed in the pipebomb back in Ď11.

mizfan
06-06-2018, 11:48 AM
I doubt CM Punk wants to work regularly in wrestling again at all, but I've no doubt he could do a one off with ease, IF he has interest to do so of course. And let's not pretend Cody has become some untouchable puro master... his style is still largely WWE-esque, though he has range to do other things too. And Omega worked with broken down Jericho and got an excellent match out of him, so a Punk match should be a snap for either guy.

LK3185
06-06-2018, 12:22 PM
I doubt CM Punk wants to work regularly in wrestling again at all, but I've no doubt he could do a one off with ease, IF he has interest to do so of course. And let's not pretend Cody has become some untouchable puro master... his style is still largely WWE-esque, though he has range to do other things too. And Omega worked with broken down Jericho and got an excellent match out of him, so a Punk match should be a snap for either guy.


Yeah, i'm not saying Cody is a puro guy at all.. I just think he would fit Punk's style and like others said you could raise NWA profile if they wanted... i just think Punk wouldn't be too interested in New japan due to the schedule and the intense work style. Just seems like a dude happy to be in Chicago and close to AJ

mizfan
06-06-2018, 12:25 PM
Oh sure, I'm with you there. I could see him doing a one off in the Tokyo Dome, Jericho-style, if the money was right, but more likely he'll make the wrestling come to him, if he bothers at all.

Powder
06-06-2018, 12:34 PM
However, If Brock Lesnar, Ultimate Warrior, Bill Goldberg, and Bruno Sammartino all came back to the WWE, then why wouldn't Punk want to? He could literally dictate his terms just like Lesnar does. Punk could get paid millions for a few dates with some guarantees built in like: Finally Headlining Wrestlemania in the true main event for either Major Title in the match that closes the show. AND limited dates, AND choosing his opponents, AND being allowed to have relative freedom on the mic.

The ball is completely in his hands. He could talk with the WWE and say his terms, and if they don't agree, why sign? He would be stupid otherwise.

LK3185
06-06-2018, 12:38 PM
I think it would take a little bit more time.. he also had issues with Trips and Trips was the guy who brokered most of those returns

Powder
06-06-2018, 12:42 PM
Not disagreeing, but IF Punk wanted to wrestle again, why would he waste a HUGE payday in a comeback to the WWE for a mediocre payday for anyone else?

I would say the earliest we would get a Punk return (if at all) would be right after Mania.

Now that would rival Brock 's and Rock's return.

Team Farrell
06-06-2018, 12:46 PM
Yeah, there's some stuff they're not giving up. Nobody is getting creative control on the level of picking their opponents, lessons have been learned from WCW and if Punk gets it, Brock's going to want it.

I don't see him going back to WWE any time soon. He's not going to want to work alongside the guy that just sued him for $1-$5 million.

I could actually see Punk preferring to sign with an ROH or someone like that for limited dates. Someone that he can actually help build into possibly legitimate competition. ROH would allow him to do things like All In or PWG or Tokyo Dome one-offs, while keeping his face on TV, allowing him to be home with AJ most of the time and letting him basically dip his toe back into professional wrestling. The trade-off is that they get a star that could probably help them sell out 5k arenas regularly.

LK3185
06-06-2018, 12:48 PM
If he was all about the money though he would have stayed. he was still making millions. You also underestimate how much he could make on one off on the scene or in new japan. As much as i don't think he'd go there.. Jericho didn't come cheap.

WWE would probably have to throw him a Brock type deal with incentives and smooth everything over.

mizfan
06-06-2018, 12:52 PM
It's been clear for a while that Punk is very comfortable financially. If he comes back to wrestle somewhere, it won't just be for the money. And yeah, the idea that he can't make a big payday somewhere else is just silly.

Powder
06-06-2018, 02:14 PM
I honestly do not know, but I cannot see ROH or All In being a billion dollar company where they can afford to give an employee a multimillion dollar deal. The WWE through all of its faults has that type of capital and can afford to pay him. Japan probably does as well, but there is no way that ROH does.

mizfan
06-06-2018, 02:24 PM
Definitely no million dollar deals in ROH, they are backed by Sinclair which absolutely dwarfs WWE as a corporation but it's not like they give them a huge budget to work with. But if New Japan pitched in, that could change things. Not sure what Jericho made for his one New Japan match but supposedly he generated an extra 1.5 million and I'm sure he got a big chunk of that. Reportedly All In is being independently financing but I've heard hints they have someone footing some of the big bills too so who knows what they might be able to drum up.

It's moot anyway though, as Punk has pretty consistently not been motivated by money first and foremost. I think he'll do whatever wrestling he feels interested/passionate about, if anything.

Powder
06-06-2018, 02:31 PM
Again, to play devils advocate, if you were to come back to wrestling after an extended time off, and fans everywhere have been dreaming/asking for it for the past 4 years, why wouldn’t you also try to get paid the most you could?

I get it Punk May not be motivated by money, and he may not “need” anymore, but wrestlers are just like any other pro-athletes in that they want the huge contract, and they will play for a worse team to get paid. Cough Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, etc cough.

LK3185
06-06-2018, 02:40 PM
Like i said, he could be offered the most money but if he's not happy with what he's presented and doing, i don't see it happening.. If WWE gave him everything wanted, then sure i could see it but we don't know what Punk would want. Also, i don't think its really about the fans.. and if it is, he can do conventions and work ALL in type shows. I don't think its about working Mania main events anymore.

mizfan
06-06-2018, 02:42 PM
Again, to play devils advocate, if you were to come back to wrestling after an extended time off, and fans everywhere have been dreaming/asking for it for the past 4 years, why wouldn’t you also try to get paid the most you could?

He doesn't like WWE and he doesn't care about the money. Not everything is dollars and cents, man.

SirSam
06-06-2018, 07:10 PM
I agree with Mizfan here. If Punk has shown anything in leaving and his time away it is that he believes in principle and believes in challenging himself and leading a fulfilling life for himself more than money or public adulation. He is happy to have those but they are only a part of an equation and a small part at that.

I also got the feeling he is generally a fairly bitter person who holds onto grudges longer than most. Combining that with what I've said above and I feel like it will be a long time before he works with the WWE again.

Prime Time
06-06-2018, 07:13 PM
If the court records about his mental state in his final days are accurate, then he'd be a madman to go back whatever they offer.

Prime Time
06-07-2018, 06:09 PM
May have spoken too soon about him being back in wrestling. Meltzer seems to be of the opinion that Punk is pretty committed to fighting beyond the weekend and would be looking to tackle something more minor league if cut from UFC, rather than heading back to wrestling.

I guess an absolute mauling might change that perspective in a hurry. But there's no guarantee that this hand picked opponent, who Mickey Gall beat just as easily I'm told, can beat him badly enough to drive him from the sport.

LK3185
06-07-2018, 06:47 PM
also been thrown out there that Punk could find a job commentating MMA if he so chose. I don't know why he'd keep fighting though if he got beat pretty bad on Saturday. Sure, go to minor leagues where you still will be outclassed for at least another year or so... Its not like he's 23 embarking on a whole new career.

I commend him for the effort and i don't care that much if he comes back to wrestling, but dude lived out a dream already, know when to step away.

Prime Time
06-07-2018, 07:01 PM
My guess is that he's thinking positive, not contemplating a bad beating. Going in thinking like that would be a good way to make it happen.

Still, if the offer were on the table, I guess it's really his call when he's lived his dream and when he should step away. Bellator has been suggested as a possibility and from talking with the guy who runs the MMA gym on the street around the corner from me, I get the impression the serious fight fans consider it a high standard. I can see why he'd be interested in giving it another couple of tries with them if an offer came.


Speaking of offers, the other thing to come out this week is he's only had roundabout suggestions, nothing concrete, about returning to wrestling.

LK3185
06-07-2018, 11:25 PM
I get that its his choice and all but UFC only brought him back a second time because they think he's a draw. I don't think any other place he will effect that much.. I guess Bellator since they take UFC's leftovers..I'm not even saying he's thinking about losing.... but after Saturday, the way it likely will turn out, its probably best for him to look for something else.

As for the wrestling thing, I'm not surprised no one has really given him a real offer. Any one who sent out feelers probably didn't even get the chance to go further or they know they wouldn't be able to afford him.

Prime Time
06-08-2018, 03:36 AM
I'm not sure I follow the logic. I'd have thought that if he was a draw, then relatively speaking he'd have more effect on a smaller company than a bigger one.

Like, he might draw fewer people in but if they are used to smaller numbers anyway, you don't need to bring so much in to be worth it.

The question then becomes how much his fans will follow if he gets badly beaten again, though I addressed the effect of that kind of result in the post four up anyway.

Degenerate
06-08-2018, 03:57 AM
Punk looks pretty content with his life right now, at least based on the little I've seen of him this year. My guess is that if he wins this weekend, he'll keep up with MMA, and if he loses he still has a few other things going on his life that he looks happy doing.

At this point, I would wager that he won't ever return to pro wrestling again, not even one-offs. Just a feeling I have.

Oliver
06-08-2018, 06:27 AM
I mean, WWE very publically supported Amaan in the lawsuit, a statement which is still on their website alongside a slow motion video of CM Punk's butt. See - https://www.wwe.com/inside/wwe-addresses-cm-punk-allegations

So given that this case has been found in favour of Punk and that there was no defamation of Amaan - which I, a non-legal person, would interpret as essentially saying that Punk's statements were broadly true - surely that means WWE are open for something from Punk now too? Like I said, I'm no legal person, so have no idea how this works, but it seems there's still a lot of love lost between the two.

I would also say there's a big difference between Lesnar and Goldberg walking away from WWE due to broad displeasure with the schedule and work they were doing. Even though Lesnar later brought a lawsuit, it was only over his non-compete clause and not company-wide incompetence, which Punk has deftly and clearly expressed from his time there on top of all the burnout issues and nagging injuries he had. I think Punk and WWE have a lot further to go to mend bridges than Lesnar/Goldberg and WWE did.

I can't see Punk ever coming back to WWE unless he ages, softens, and they offer him something like a HoF entry. And even then I could see him turning them down repeatedly, ala Bruno, before accepting when someone new reaches out to him, like HHH did to Bruno rather than Vince.

Team Farrell
06-08-2018, 11:06 AM
So given that this case has been found in favour of Punk and that there was no defamation of Amaan - which I, a non-legal person, would interpret as essentially saying that Punk's statements were broadly true - surely that means WWE are open for something from Punk now too? Like I said, I'm no legal person, so have no idea how this works, but it seems there's still a lot of love lost between the two.
My experience is all from media law classes that I took a number of years ago in school, but if I recall it doesn't mean that they've determined what he said was true, but that even if it isn't it didn't defame Amann's character or cost him money or standing in his profession.

I think what sunk him in the end is when he said that he didn't believe that it impacted his standing in WWE or how people viewed him, and that it hadn't cost him money. The crux of his argument was that people were attacking him on Twitter and holding up signs at show.

XanMan
06-08-2018, 11:43 AM
I am a huge Punk fan and I will be at All In, so I would love to see him appear. If he appears to set up something with either Cody or Omega that would probably be able to fill a 20,000 seat building; which I would also do my best to attend.

comfortablynumb
06-08-2018, 12:14 PM
I wouldnít say the ruling means Punkís statements are true, itís just really hard to prove libel. The doctor didnít lose his job or any earnings Iím aware of because of the comments, which would have factored.

Cult Icon
06-08-2018, 12:49 PM
The doctor also admitted he didn't keep good enough records of Punk's antibiotic history, spoke at (albeit limited length) with other wrestlers about Punk's history which according to Colt Cabana's lawyer is a borderline HIPPA violation, admitted that he and WWE kept Punk in the 2014 Royal Rumble for over 40 minutes after he was concussed and had every witness in the thing that wasn't working for WWE, from Cabana to AJ to Punk to the physician that cut the lump out of Punk's back state that Punk had what he claimed. Certainly it appears Punk exaggerated some details of the lump (it was not as big as he claimed in the podcast and no one has any idea if it was MRSA or not because he never went back for a follow up test) but it's clear he had the lump (there's a video on YouTube where he shows the scar and the indent it left for crying out loud), that Amann hadn't treated it properly and that about 95% of the stuff Punk claimed was true. So it wasn't just that libel is hard to prove; anyone who reads notes from these court proceedings can see Amann was an idiot who handled the whole thing wrong and on top of that didn't lose any sleep or jobs over it. I'm pretty sure this only went to court because WWE backed him on it (as Punk and Cabana seem to believe) out of spite and look how that turned out.

That's pretty much why, while I cannot dismiss it entirely because duh, I can't see Punk and WWE ever working together again, outside of maybe a Hall of Fame thing. Even if WWE didn't bankroll Amann's lawsuit it doesn't matter; the important thing is that Punk believes they did AND that he believes they tried to mess with his upcoming UFC fight because Amann's team filed for delays repeatedly that pushed the trial back to the last few weeks (it was originally supposed to start a week earlier). And that's before you get into all the stuff about his fractured relationship with Triple H, the sequence of events that led to him leaving and to this trial, going after Cabana (his best friend) for no reason other than he gave Punk the platform to tell his story and the bullshit like him being fired on his wedding day. If you were him and one entity did that to you (or you believed they did) why would you ever go back? I understand the "they all go back" statement...except we know that's not true because, for whatever reason, Randy Savage never returned. I think Punk is the Savage of this generation (fitting as he idolized Savage); he's the one guy who never returns and never mends fences with WWE. Maybe I'm wrong and there's a part of me that wouldn't be stunned by it but I just can't see how, after all that's happened, Punk personally would ever be able to look beyond that to smooth things over, especially since he doesn't need or value money as much as others did.

Now will he wrestle again? Absolutely. I've always believed he'd get back in the ring outside of WWE, it's just a question of when. I still don't know when and I don't think he knows. He certainly seemed more open to it in that interview with Ariel Helwani from Wednesday but then he was back to shutting it down yesterday. That sort of inconsistency tells me that, while he may be closer than ever before, he's still not quite ready yet. Whether he'll be ready come September for All In or for another event like All In 2 down the road, time will tell.

LK3185
06-08-2018, 01:03 PM
I don't think he wrestles this year. He could show up at ALL in but he's not working a match. Maybe ALL in 2 but that won't be til 2019.

Prime Time
06-08-2018, 07:08 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't rule out a return somewhere but it doesn't feel exactly imminent, does it.

I can't say that I think it's inevitable either. If I had to bet on it and actually stake money I'd say yes but unlikely in the next 18 months - possibly longer depending on how the fight goes tomorrow....

I did see that Mickey Gall who beat them both actually picked Punk to win this one....

SirSam
06-09-2018, 09:34 AM
As long as he doesn't come back with an MMA gimmick I'll be happy with wherever he goes ends up I think.

As for the fight, he really should win this one, it is the closest thing the UFC could have done to a gimmie match. If he can't get through this one I dunno if he will ever wok a match on the ufc.

Shee
06-09-2018, 10:44 AM
If I was Punk I would be saying "Fuck You" to WWE in every shape and form. How petulant can you get firing him on his wedding day and scheduling that court case to fuck with his MMA prep. He really trampled some egos in WWE the way he left if they are still trying to fuck with him 5 years later. I say fair play to him, he knew what he was worth and left them holding their dicks. He sure as shit doesn't need them anymore.

As for MMA, I was chatting with a friend the other night who's quite the boxing/fighting enthusiast who reckons Punk is one of the worst fighters he has ever seen. I don't know how good this Jackson lad is but unless he really sucks and Punk has gotten significantly better in the last 2 years then I would fear for Punk. My big hope for him is to get in there and have a proper go at it this time round. In a perfect world would love to see him win and get his ass back on the indy scene!

SirSam
06-09-2018, 05:11 PM
With fighting Punk is far from the worst guy to ever tape his wrists. In his first fight though he was a beginner who would normally be fighting at an ameture level on a regional circuit but because of his profile got on a huge card.

He has been training for two more years so it will be interesting to see how he has developed.

LK3185
06-09-2018, 10:44 PM
After seeing Punk's fight with Jackson, he should never fight again tbh. Jackson toyed with him on the feet and that's only reason it went the distance

Degenerate
06-09-2018, 11:33 PM
I saw highlights of the fight and I have to agree. That didn't look very good, and he's not getting any younger either. I'm not sure if his name will still have enough marketing power for one of the major MMA companies to want to do business with him again.

LK3185
06-09-2018, 11:37 PM
And now Corey Graves on his twitter is taking shots at Punk without naming him. Seems very personal. About Punk turning his back on his friends

Cult Icon
06-09-2018, 11:55 PM
Considering how Graves looks like the most pretentious asshole in the world for tweeting this, if Punk did turn his back on Graves then I wouldn't blame him; who wants to be friends with a guy who is going to do this to you?

comfortablynumb
06-10-2018, 12:42 AM
The fight was embarrassing to watch. Kept turning away and wishing it was over. Jackson should have wanted to finish it more.

Macho Mourn
06-10-2018, 01:14 AM
Have to share. Almost feel bad doing so:


Mike Jackson, while you stand there, as triumphant as you possibly can be, I want you to stop hitting me. I want you to stop this, because before I leave in three weeks with an 0-2 win-loss record, I have a lot of bones I wanna put back into place.

I am the worstÖUFC fighterÖin the world. Iíve been the worst ever since day one when I walked into this company, and Iíve been bleeding and crying since that day because the UFC fans saw nothing in me that everybody else was willing to admit. Thatís right, Iím a WWE Universe guy. You know who else was a WWE Universe guy? Brock LesnarÖand he split, just like Iím splittiní, but the biggest difference between me and Brock is that Iím going to leave with a 0-2 win-loss record.

Iíve tapped to so many of Mickey Gallís painful punches and Mike Jackson's pure strikes that itís finally dawned on me that theyíre just that...theyíre completely painful. The only thing thatís not painful is me, and the fact that day-in and day-out, for almost 3 days, Iíve proved to everybody in the world that I am the worstÖon this panel, in that octagon, and even in training. Anybody can touch me! And yet, no matter how many times I prove it, Iím on your lovely little Tapout collectorsí gloves, Iím on the cover of the program, Iím outrageously promoted, I donít get to be in UFC 204, Iím not on any crappy show on the USA Network anymore, I was on the poster of UFC 203, Iím no longer on signature thatís produced at the start of the Raw. Iím not on the Joe Rogan Podcast, Iím wasn't UFC 204, but the fact of the matter is I shouldn't be anyway, and trust me, this isnít sour grapes, but the fact that ďMike JacksonĒ is in the winner of our match at UFC 225 tonight and Iím not makes me sick!

>Iím leaving with the 0-2 win-loss record on July 17 and hell, who knows, maybe Iíll go defend it in BellatorÖmaybe Iíll go back to WWEÖhey, John Cena, how you doing?

Oliver
06-10-2018, 03:31 AM
I think Punk might drop to the amateurs after this, maybe build himself up. I don't see him leaving MMA that easily, even if he does leave UFC.

Prime Time
06-10-2018, 04:43 AM
It's pretty clear he's done in UFC. Doesn't mean he's done in MMA, but I'd be staggered - staggered - if he ever got another shot in the UFC.


I think that a serious wrestling offer might be on the table before too much longer, too. That'll test whether or not he wants to stick with this and if his apathy towards wrestling is fading...

Shee
06-10-2018, 04:47 AM
That's it. Punk had two bites of the cherry and both were the extreme ends of the shite spectrum. He had a go but if that's the end product of 3+ years of training then at 39 he best pack it in. That was border line a living autopsy. And Mike Jackson is terrible to begin with!

LK3185
06-10-2018, 08:37 AM
I think Punk might drop to the amateurs after this, maybe build himself up. I don't see him leaving MMA that easily, even if he does leave UFC.

The desire is there but I just don't think its a good idea. Anyone is somewhat of an MMA expert will tell you that while Punk did improve from his last fight, he basically did full time MMA training for over two years and still didn't do plenty of the basics properly. On top of simply not being a good athlete, the wear and tear on his body and age playing against him.. Its not going to happen.

Edit: So Graves gave an interview and stated that his tweets stem from Punk basically turning his back on everyone in WWE just because they work there. Seems petty on Punk's part. Graves also said he was set off by comments Punk made this week (not referring to the trial)

Idk, still think Graves looks bad here for throwing a temper tantrum and acting like Punk lost cause he has no friends lmao

Its not news that Punk is an asshole.

Benjamin Button
06-11-2018, 06:07 AM
Do you think it would be harder to book CM Punk in wrestling ( though even the 6 yr olds know it's fake) after he's been such a loser in MMA? I guess it's just the point of having such a loser as the top guy...

Prime Time
06-11-2018, 06:13 AM
No, I don't think it will. I still kinda feel that any promotion going would take him in and just pretend the MMA stuff never happened.

I don't think the MMA stuff necessarily cuts both ways. There's a kind of an extra frisson there when you know someone is a shooter, but if you've already gotten over in wrestling then I'm not sure I see how a poor record in MMA would hurt you nowadays. There's simply too many people who don't give a shit.

Benjamin Button
06-11-2018, 06:19 AM
He needs to stop fighting. He's getting his ass kicked. It's embarrassing

I mean I liked him as a wrestler but after seeing the ear enhancement Mickey gave him, he should never have been back in the octagon. He's looking like such a wuss that im starting to think even AJ Lee can kick his ass

Ppl talk about getting back on the horse when you fall off, but if the horse runs over you and pulls your pants down and neighs a laugh at you, it's best to find something else to ride. However, he's made such an ass out of himself that maybe he should have people riding him.

I'm afraid if he's at "all in" ppl will trip over his big, nasty ear

Pringle
06-11-2018, 06:50 AM
This Punk/UFC venture baffled me from the word go. Being as terrible an athlete as he is, with zero sporting background, starting in his mid 30s, he should never have ever been anywhere near an MMA ring. After 4 years with Roufusport, I actually thought he might fair a little better on Saturday... That was a pummeling.

205 Clive
06-11-2018, 08:32 AM
Graves looks bad here for throwing a temper tantrum and.

Graves may have beef with Punk ams is entitled to an opinion, but seeing him tag Vince and HHH in his rant was childish and unprofessional.

Degenerate
06-12-2018, 04:53 AM
The thing that irked me the most about that Graves rant was the timing. He could have gone on this rant at any time prior to the fight, yet he chose to do it when he did. I'm also of the thought that private beefs should be handled in private, but in the age of social media everyone has their choice, I guess. Not a good look on him, regardless on whether his gripe has merit or not.

mizfan
06-12-2018, 08:41 PM
Yeah, no more Punk/MMA, please, ever.

But I honestly think he'd still have no trouble if he came back to wrestling. Even a lot of fans chortling about his failure would probably change their tunes on a dime, as well they should. Hope he does have something to do with All In, I'd be pleased as hell to see him involved.

LWO4Life
06-13-2018, 11:20 AM
Punk is still marketable in wrestling. He didn't get knocked out last time, though he should have. But since he didn't, it saved him some, and he's a good enough promo to talk his way into drawing a good crowd. But yeah, he should never MMA again. He's 40. Had he started training at like, 20, maybe even 25, I'd give him a chance.

But honestly, Punk is the last big rabbit out of the hat WWE could ever pull out to get attention that no one would expect. That's something. He's marketable in the wrestling business, and if he ever wanted to, a Punk promo could be HUGE in wrestling, even outside WWE. But he should give up MMA. Who's to say a young Punk wouldn't be hell in the cage, but old Punk just can't do it.

mizfan
06-13-2018, 11:47 AM
I think outside WWE is really the only consideration right now with Punk in wrestling. He and those close to him have been pretty clear that he hates WWE and they really drained the love of wrestling out of him. At best we could expect some kind of outside WWE appearance, which would be a big deal no matter where it was, but that feels like a stretch.

LK3185
06-13-2018, 11:51 AM
Yeah, i wouldn't rule out the Hall of fame later and maybe a match to end it... but he is older than people realize and he cut people out of his life that work there.. he has zero interest in going back.

I just wish someone would clue him in, that he wouldn't have to work that hard to be a draw on the indy scene.. he wouldn't have to work three days a week....or take cars, sleep on stranger's couchs. Hopefully, he finds that spark again because its simply what he does best.

mizfan
06-13-2018, 12:00 PM
He's probably aware that he could comfortably be a big deal anywhere he went, but if he's burnt out, he's burnt out. He may well feel wrestling in general is toxic for him as a person. I too hope he finds a spark to come back in some capacity eventually, but he's got to do what's right for himself first and foremost.

Prime Time
06-13-2018, 12:08 PM
Only a rumour but talk of him getting an MMA commentary gig.

mizfan
06-13-2018, 12:24 PM
He was actually a great commentator so that might be a good fit for him. Obviously it could be a flop (or not happen) but I at least see some potential for success, which I never really saw with him actually fighting.

LK3185
06-13-2018, 12:25 PM
With UFC going to ESPN, i could def see it. They like to hire their own people.

Prime Time
06-18-2018, 06:01 AM
Punk's trainer has thrown a bit of a lifeline in his staying in the competitive world, though not in an avenue that you might expect. He's suggested that he should give up MMA but suggests he could make more of a go of it if he moved into straight Jiu Jitsu. Whether Punk would want to do that is obviously up in the air, but it's an option that no one was really considering before where it was just a straight choice between MMA and Pro Wrestling.

mizfan
06-20-2018, 12:14 PM
If there are people around him saying he should continue to try to compete physically, he needs to drop these people yesterday. I doubt there are many big paydays in pure Jiu Jitsu anyway (I would assume not, anyway??) so seems unlikely he'd take the time for it.

Prime Time
06-25-2018, 11:12 AM
On the first sentence... I mean, yes and no. Anyone who said that about UFC I agree, but if they're talking a transition to something more like pure jiu jitsu, the odds of him getting hurt in that are probably no worse than wrestling the way he used to. Sure, you might get choked, but you aren't going to be struck and as routintely bloodied as you would do in an MMA environment. And as someone who has tried both at a much less tough level, I can tell you that wrestling is a lot easier when you don't have to worry about a fist landing in your face if you make a mistake in your guard.

That said, you're right that there isn't a lot of money in anything outside of MMA, so if he was to stick in it he'd almost certainly have to be doing it for the love of it. Which is fine, I guess, if that's what you want to do. It's not like he'll ever have to earn another dollar in his life if he wants to live reasonably modestly.


So far as I can tell there's more talk of him doing that than coming back into wrestling any time soon, so if there is a move to get him back onto a wrestling show then people are doing a much better job of keeping it under their hat than usual.

LK3185
06-25-2018, 12:21 PM
What will be interesting is If he's not involved in ALL IN, we might not even hear about him for awhile and i could see him coming back to wrestling in a strange way... like showing up at a local indy.

You can't have real wrestling rumors about Punk if he's not interested of even entertaining the thought.

SirSam
06-28-2018, 02:40 AM
That would be true Punk style really coming back at an indy with no announcement whatsoever.

I feel like if he ever has to work another day in his life for anything other than the love of it his accountant and financial plan have failed at their job.

Prime Time
08-07-2018, 09:43 AM
At the moment it still sounds like he's not interested, if you believe what you read. Sounds like he's turned down the RoH MSG show. It does seem like one to come back for, if you had any intention of getting back into it.

Oliver
08-29-2019, 11:44 AM
He's back in the ring! (https://twitter.com/StarrcastEvents/status/1166817940219580418)

(ish)

LK3185
08-29-2019, 12:15 PM
Percent chance Punk is SEEN on the AEW PPV? Could be in the crowd, in the ring anything, a video...


I say 35%

Cult Icon
08-29-2019, 12:19 PM
I'm going to keep my expectations tempered to "he will not be there" but I must admit that video was interesting. We'll see.

Team Farrell
08-29-2019, 01:03 PM
I'm going to keep my expectations tempered to "he will not be there" but I must admit that video was interesting. We'll see.

Yeeeeeeah, I'm with you. I have a feeling he does Starrcast and goes to spend the rest of the weekend at home with AJ. If he's there, awesome, but right now I'm of the belief that no he won't even be in the building.

Cult Icon
08-29-2019, 02:02 PM
Okay, I'll share this with you guys because I love you (Pen, mizfan and Heisenberg, if that is in fact his name, already know this); earlier this year there was an incident where Pro Wrestling Tees's parent company, Creative Ventures, Inc. filed a complaint against the t-shirt site Redbubble due a fan design of a CM Punk shirt; the site removed the shirt because of it. I'll post the picture below but the complaint listed the reason for the complaint (aka subject matter) as Pro Wrestling Tees...and All Elite Wrestling.


https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/50850157_753348285042395_8186614300794683392_n.png ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQkD_gL-czUzkH2sGdDoErB-FW4jYcSGxjs4hHZFZGY3x-voR3neg8LR-hTkCVqzrjo&_nc_ht=scontent.fbos1-1.fna&oh=f3a7f505386d2a7d41ef2e09abe02898&oe=5DD10425


Now that was weird, especially since the shirt is just a plain Punk shirt (you can see it in the thumbnail) and featured no AEW logos or mentions, but initially it was thought to be a mistake or that is was simply related to Pro Wrestling Tees because of their relationship with AEW (in fact the Pro Wrestling Tees owner denied any connection to my boss). But a few days after that we were told by someone in AAA, who was in the final negotiations of their agreement with AEW at the time, that AAA had reason to believe that Punk was either going to sign or had already signed with AEW, and that Pro Wrestling Tees having the shirt removed from Redbubble was done because they planned to have Punk AEW merch out at some point this year (and were able to get it pulled because they showed they had the rights). We didn't hear anything about the situation going forward until that supposed indy appearance Punk made under a mask back in May; at that point I was then told by someone who has given me reliable info about AEW signings in the past that Punk had started training for wrestling in a ring again, though they couldn't confirm where.

Now since then there's been nothing, aside from the public comments Punk made about AEW and vice versa. Back in May I would've told you 100% he was coming but as stated above I wouldn't bank on it now. Do I believe the info I got at certain points was accurate? Yes because both sources have been reliable in the past. That said at no point was I ever told he had 100% signed and his recent comments recently have made me believe that either something happened that ruined a supposed deal or someone was misled. I just can't see someone who came off that annoyed with AEW in those recent interviews would be someone who is actually going to be debuting soon.

So yeah; I wouldn't expect it. But if you're someone who wants to get their hopes up and wants to dive down the hole there is evidence. AEW's main partner thought he was coming, the Pro Wrestling Tees thing has never been explained, the indy appearance under disguise did happen and I do believe he was in a wrestling ring training at some point. Make of it whatever you will.

LK3185
08-29-2019, 02:18 PM
The bump he took in the vid and making a joke about makes me think its more possible than before. He’s obviously not in ring shape but they could set something up and KHan has deep pockets where it’s foolish to think they wont / haven’t made an offer of some kind even if its one off.

Yeah Punk saved his money but who doesn’t want more money especially if its for something light?

Team Farrell
08-29-2019, 02:33 PM
I can definitely see how that would lead to conspiracy theories.

I mean PWTees is his official merch store, so I can definitely see them successfully having a bootleg shirt pulled...but then the AEW name on the complaint is odd. I can't imagine that anyone involved in AAA would believe that he was coming in unless they'd heard it first hand from someone at AEW, but then you hear from Punk that the most he's gotten is text messages from people rather than legitimate offers (ie. through his agent). Maybe someone involved as a VP in AEW or even Tony himself said they'd reached out to Punk and were confident they could make something happen.

On the training, I know a number of guys who just have a love for the wrestling side of wrestling and have come back after years off just to train. Not with an intention of working, but just to take those bumps and have some fun.

You see the run-in, but then that was in a match involving a friend of his.

There's a lot of smoke to a really weird fire, but not one that I personally believe is going to wind up with him in AEW, at least not right away.

Maybe as you said, the two sides were close or thought that it might happen so he started training, but it fell apart? Maybe he anticipated an offer coming in so he started getting ready but was put off when talks came by was of text message and not anything official? Shit, maybe they were close and he just decided last minute, when it was all actually happening, that he truly was over the pro wrestling business.

I dunno. I just have this feeling that it's a whole bunch of strange coincidences that make it easy to connect dots that don't actually connect. At the point, I kind of believe that if he does come back it'll be on some random Chicago indy show that Ace Steel is working and it'll either be unadvertised, or he'll be in a full body covering gimmick trying to make sure nobody knows it's him.

Perhaps we find out what's up with him and AEW on Saturday. Maybe he'll roast them for being unprofessional in their negotiations and it putting him off. Maybe he'll say that they're all awesome but he just wants to be retired. Maybe he truly is Jack Brisco and he just wanted to get on the next plane heading south.

Or I'm completely wrong and he attacks Jericho from behind after he wins the AEW title in the main event on Saturday night.

T.O.
08-29-2019, 03:29 PM
Never heard of the guy. Who is he?

Cult Icon
08-29-2019, 04:15 PM
He was like Randy Orton except if Randy Orton had more going for him than the finisher he stole from Diamond Dallas Page.

T.O.
08-29-2019, 05:03 PM
I just looked him up. Loons like he never bathes and smells of cigarettes and hookers.

Oliver
08-30-2019, 02:46 AM
Fun Friday Question Time: Which Japanese wrestlers finish could Randy Orton have stolen that would pop better than the Ace Crusher?


I dunno. I just have this feeling that it's a whole bunch of strange coincidences that make it easy to connect dots that don't actually connect. At the point, I kind of believe that if he does come back it'll be on some random Chicago indy show that Ace Steel is working and it'll either be unadvertised, or he'll be in a full body covering gimmick trying to make sure nobody knows it's him.

Coach, allow me to present exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/MKE_Wrestling/status/1119611860234457088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F146988 6-cm-punk-hits-a-gts-at-independent-wrestling-event-disguised-under-a-mask

Team Farrell
08-30-2019, 11:13 AM
That's just it. I have this feeling that if we see Punk work a full match it'll be in some sort of Chikara-style full body suit, he won't do his most recognizable in-ring stuff and everyone involved with the show will be a) sworn to secrecy or b) out of the loop on who that person actually is.

We might never find out. He might have done it on some low level indy already.

Cult Icon
08-30-2019, 01:21 PM
Supposedly Punk made a series of appearances back in 2015 for the Chicago indie Freelance wrestling as the manager for the comedy wrestler Kikutaro; it was supposed to build to a reveal that would lead to something with him and Cabana, but their falling out occurred and thus the angle was scrapped. Here's a picture of Punk as the manager in complete disguise!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4se9OpXkAEU692?format=jpg&name=large

SirSam
08-31-2019, 07:36 AM
I'm going to approach this as 'fingers crossed'.

Of course that Red Bubble thing could be the owner of the store having a little fun. I'm not sure how the site works but if the fan gets to put the notice up they could have been having some of their own fun.

mizfan
08-31-2019, 02:28 PM
Damn Cult, I never knew that!

Fingers crossed that one day he'll come around full circle and take on the character he was born to play, CP Munk!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/a/a2/CP_Munk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150309144058

LK3185
08-31-2019, 03:05 PM
Good Q&A panel from Punk today. Def sounds way less bitter about WWE. Mentions that he would listen to anyone (including WWE) but won't seek it out.

Denied being at All out tonight.

Prime Time
09-01-2019, 07:13 AM
I guess he wasn't, based on a quick search this morning.

mizfan
09-01-2019, 06:48 PM
Nope, still no sign of him. Possible they could be saving him for the TV debut but feels unlikely.

LK3185
09-02-2019, 02:26 AM
Not saying hes signed or even in strong talks but his Q&A panel made it feel like hes open to the wrestling business more and if money was right.. I think him coming in unannounced would be the way any company would do it unless they needed to sell tix. Certainly wouldn’t have him do a Starrcast and then deny involvement . Its not his style

PEN15v2
09-27-2019, 01:46 PM
Rumors are he tested for WWE Backstage on Fox. If it was just Meltzer who reported this, I'd not care, but another site is now adding to these reports. Sorry TO.

But I never ever ever expected to discuss CM Punk with a working arrangement anywhere close to with WWE after 2014.

T.O.
09-27-2019, 01:46 PM
Why would I care at this point?

PEN15v2
09-27-2019, 02:00 PM
It's just funny. That's all.

T.O.
09-27-2019, 02:05 PM
He could run for WWE Board of Directors and it wouldn't change a thing to me since I don't watch any more.

LK3185
09-27-2019, 02:29 PM
Rumors are he tested for WWE Backstage on Fox. If it was just Meltzer who reported this, I'd not care, but another site is now adding to these reports. Sorry TO.

But I never ever ever expected to discuss CM Punk with a working arrangement anywhere close to with WWE after 2014.

The best part is if he gets it, its a deal with Fox not WWE. So yeah might be a matter of time but to get a cushy Fox job talking about wrestling once a week and never bumping seems ideal.

Cult Icon
09-27-2019, 02:47 PM
There has to be more to it than that. I suppose I could see Punk (who I honestly thought was still done with wrestling after watching his interview with Mike Johnson All Out weekend) just deciding to join Fox to talk about wrestling and leave it at that but...yeah, hard to believe. I'm thinking one of two things; he's on Dynamite Wednesday and this is all being planted in the media to make that surprise even bigger or he's on Smackdown Friday and this is all being planted in the media to make that surprise even bigger. Something is definitely up though.

PEN15v2
09-28-2019, 05:17 PM
I think it's a more straight forward story. He's either part of the Fox show team, or he's out of wrestling. I really can't see any way he'd end up in AEW if the deal wasn't ready by All Out, when the anticipation was at a fever pitch.

Kleckamania
09-29-2019, 12:01 AM
Well did any of you see him announcing on Netflix for the show Ultimate Beastmaster for 1 season? He seems to really want to be an announcer. Granted he kinda sucked at it, and got canned after 1 season, but I don't think he wants to wrestle any more.

LK3185
09-29-2019, 01:19 AM
I think he would be perfect to announce wrestling. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he wrestles just for another pay day. Can't see that being a full time schedule though which is likely why any deal with AEW was halted.

Kleckamania
09-29-2019, 02:02 PM
I think he would be perfect to announce wrestling. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he wrestles just for another pay day. Can't see that being a full time schedule though which is likely why any deal with AEW was halted.

Yep. Completely agree. The greed will catch up to him. Not just the money. But the greed to go out there and win a big match. There's no way his ego isn't still hurting from MMA. Eventually he'll come back for a match or two. But he'll never be full-time again. And that pisses a lot of fans off because they know he has all the tools to be one of the best this whole time he's been gone- seems like squandered opportunity. Wasted years. But the thing is, that's years of mileage he didnt put on his body. He's not dumb. He knows the prior generation is thinning fast and the rest are practically crippled. If you stay in too long the quality of life you have after drops off a cliff.

Oliver
09-30-2019, 09:44 AM
I don't know, Punk...there's this thing about Punk, whereby every says 'oh he has an ego, blah blah blah', but equally he's from a background and scene where ego isn't part of the DNA, you know? The whole straight edge movement doesn't really have an ego in it, necessarily, the dialled up 'straight edge means I'm better than you' isn't a real thing in the community from what I've experienced, and with Punk he was, by all accounts, careful with money throughout his career and is likely well set from his decade or so with WWE. I'm not sure he necessarily needs money, and I'm not sure he has the ego to come back for a one off show.

This might well all change once that Saudi Princes moves on from watching 97/98 era wrestling and finally reaches the 2009-2012 portion of the video catalogue, but is Punk going to have any interest in wrestling come 2032?

mizfan
09-30-2019, 10:47 AM
I mean, I don't really question that Punk has some ego. I don't know if it'll drive him back to wrestling or not though.

CM Punk's stint doing wrestling commentary was definitely awesome, so if he does end up in that role somewhere I'll be quite pleased. Not holding my breath though!

Oliver
10-04-2019, 07:07 AM
Well, it looks like all this WWE Backstage thing is true, at least - from Punk's mouth:


Yeah I did [try out for WWE Backstage]. I’m very much in a position where, “Well come talk to me.”

My agents just called me and FOX is throwing everything at this because they spent a lot of money on this and they’re all in to make it work. Originally I thought it was a WWE thing, so I was just like, “meh, no.” But then they said, “this is FOX.”

I’m not dealing with anybody in WWE. They explained to me what it was and I love Renee Young. Renee Young is a great person… she’s Canadian, so obviously she’s super over-the-top nice and friendly. I prefaced it with, “Guys, I’m not going to come in and dump all over stuff just to dump on it. That’s old Phil. But if it’s bad, I’m not going to be able to pretend it’s anything but bad.”

So they want to present it like it’s a real sport and just have a show that recaps stuff, just like they do with the NFL, just like the NHL Network would do with hockey games and stuff like that. That’s where we are with that.