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Kleckamania
07-03-2018, 10:33 AM
So two big signings in the NBA within a week of each other...


Lebron- 4 Year, 153 Million contract with the Los Angeles Lakers


Demarcus Cousins- 1 Year, 5 Million contract with the Golden State Warriors.


Here's my question- when will the NBA decide a hard salary cap is needed for each team? Fans are going to stop watching in droves if the Warriors just scoop up all the talent in the league. Even players are tweeting about being pissed off about this move.

LK3185
07-03-2018, 11:00 AM
I'm all for player choice and players getting the most money they can but i think the best solution besides a hard cap is that they eliminate some of the exceptions and you can only give guys who have been with the team 3 years or more MAX type money... They sorta have that but I would try to get rid of like Lebron being able to sign to the Lakers for that amount... KD to the Warriors.. and by getting rid of some of the exceptions, Boogie can't sign for 5 mil to the Warriors.


People might think this an anomly but the thing is, Players can dictate where they want to be to such a degree that they manipulate the system Where the Warriors are done , another super team will pop up and become the destination..

I don't love a hard cap however if you can't keep your own players. I don't want player movement to that extreme...Just controlled.

Kleckamania
07-03-2018, 01:39 PM
The thing the NBA themselves are going to have to start seriously considering though if they don't do a hard cap now, is how many fans are going to lose interest in the league?

I love the Celtics, their Red Auerbach years are amazing, but in modern times a team winning 10 straight championships would spell absolute doom to the leagues overall revenue. No suspense, people tune out. They absolutely, desperately need parody to retain viewership and move merchendise, and the way things are going, I may be a diehard Celtic fan but even I'm not dillusional. The Warriors have like 5 starters that are perrenial all-stars at this point. It's just obscene.

And teams that play way under the cap and are still playoff contenders like the Celtics are essentially punished for sound coaching/management skills in this environment. It is getting ridiculous. It's not looking like a competition anymore.

LK3185
07-03-2018, 03:12 PM
The revnue from the TV contracts is continuing to rise so I don't think the league has been hurt yet.. and if the rumors of Cousins having no offers due to his achilles and attitude are true, its just another situation where the Warriors got lucky..

Look, I'm all for a harder cap but not at the expense of losing your own guys cause you can only afford to pay for one guy and have to let a bunch of players walk.. Its not really the same as the NFL and NHL because you only have 5 players on the court, 10 to 11 max usually play in any one game and you're probably only paying 3 or 4 top money. If there's a better way to limit free agency though.. I'm there.

I'm a Celtics fan too and I don't want to lose Tatum and Brown cause we can't afford them both under a hard cap. We earned those players thru the draft and trades.

XanMan
07-03-2018, 04:15 PM
I'm for no cap whatsoever and a free market. The cap only exists to protect owners from their own stupidity.

LK3185
07-03-2018, 04:50 PM
No cap at all would make the situation way worse because there's not as many owners looking to win as it is and the way players have the leverage, they would just leave the small market teams and have zero incentive to stay. At least with what we have, if a player wants to make the most money they can, they have to stay with their team. Like The nuggets aren't signing their best guy to a large deal if there's no cap.

Kleckamania
07-04-2018, 07:15 AM
I agree with LK, no cap would be disasterous. Some owners just own a team for bragging rights. Some take it serious, and have loads more money then the other owners. Look at MLB- the Yankees. They won so many Championships because their owner had a boat load of money to throw at his team- which is fine, but when there is no cap it becomes an unfair playing ground. The problem arrises when one team starts doing that, ratings and sales dip. So it does affect the entire league negatively. They need to find or create a level playing field.

Maybe LK is on to something, where a player needs to play on the same team for 3-5 years before they are able to receive a max contract. Idk, part of me hates the thought of a hard cap for the same reason you mentioned. The Celtics made a series of excellent choices and have a handful of young stars that they wouldnt be able to keep otherwise. Something definitely needs to change though.

Prime Time
07-04-2018, 07:52 AM
I don't know a lot about the NBA but we have no cap system here and in the 26 years of the Premier League the title has been won by just 6 different teams.

Man United built a dynasty that won four out of the first five, missed a year then won three in a row, then bounced back after a few years of finishing 2nd or 3rd to win another three in a row. Chelsea got bought by a Russian billionaire who pumped money into the side and turned them into a perennial top two team for more than a decade, over which time they added five titles. Arsenal are one of the best supported clubs in the country and were able to attract a lot of foreign stars to cause the occasional break in Man United's dominance. Man City were bought by a billionaire that pumped the team full of money and that has led to three titles in the last seven seasons. Blackburn were owned by a sugar daddy who pumped a lot of money into the club, delivered the title, but died before they could become a real challenger at the top, and the club fell apart for a long time. Leicester City are the only honest to goodness fluke of the lot - and even they are owned by Thai billionaires.

The NBA has had ten different champions in the same period, just to complete the comparison, and the number of titles is spread around the ten far more evenly.

LK3185
07-04-2018, 05:43 PM
The new rumor being Cousins offered to sign with the Lakers for the mid level exception before the Warriors but Magic said no. lol.

LWO4Life
07-09-2018, 02:47 AM
From what I've heard, LeBron wasn't that thrilled for Cousins. Cousins was the second player Magic called, which means Magic was interested, but LeBron wasn't. As for all this hard cap stuff, we are in a very interesting point in the NBA. Starting with the Heat in 2010, Millennial players have created a new culture in the NBA. Before, it was about having "my team," and winning as "the man." But millennials were brought up with group work, collaboration, teamwork, AAU basketball. The original Heat team saw players use their rights to create a super team. Where as the Thunder did that the old-fashion way, those players didn't like each other and created their own lane and are winning in their own way. You can't create new money rules to stop this, it's a sign of the generation that's dominating the game at this moment. The best you could do is get rid of free agency and go back to 1972. Players are taking less money to win. I don't think though the Warriors will last much longer. Already KD for his money, rumor is Klay will leave for his payday next year and others will as well. Eventually money will break these teams apart, but players are taking less money to start with putting them together, starting with the Heat.

Prime Time
07-30-2018, 11:31 AM
Is anyone challenging GSW next year?

Genuine question, I don't know shit. Bookies seem to think not. They've got the Celtics as the most likely right now.

LWO4Life
07-30-2018, 01:10 PM
GSW win their 4th title in this dynasty. Usually after 4, some teams start to fall apart, and I do think that's going to happen too. The main story is not this season, but next off season.

Golden
07-30-2018, 02:51 PM
Yeah, this season is a non-starter as the Dubs have arguably the strongest starting five the league has ever seen.

For me, I’m looking forward to the 76ers/Celtics battle in the East. #TTP

Prime Time
08-07-2018, 07:58 AM
So who does everyone support, and if the title is already out of reach then what are your hopes for the upcoming season?

LWO4Life
08-07-2018, 01:42 PM
Lakers, and my only hope is adding LeBron will speed up the maturity of Kuz and Ingram. I don't have much expectations for Ball, if he ever fixes his shot then I'd be happy. But my only hope is that Ingram and Kuz come along and develop into all-stars and then we get Kawhi next year.

Golden
08-07-2018, 03:51 PM
76ers.

Eastern Conference Champs.

Big bounce back season from Fultz and a seven series win over the Celtics in the Finals would be just lovely.

ps. Embiid DPOY and All-Star. Simmons all-Star.

LK3185
08-07-2018, 03:56 PM
Celtics. Finals or bust.

Yeah Warriors likely win it all, but Celtics would be best matchup against the Warriors imo and when you don't root for the Warriors you always have to have the goal of second place anyway.

Still bitter about Game 7 without Kyrie and Hayward... It wasn't Lebron beating them, it was the young guys not playing the way they could have. Such an frustrating game.

Golden
08-07-2018, 03:59 PM
You not worry about Kyrie and Hayward disrupting the effectiveness of last years set up, or at the very least stunting Taytum’s development.

Cause that’s guy’s got perennial All-Star written all over him.

LK3185
08-07-2018, 04:01 PM
You not worry about Kyrie and Hayward disrupting the effectiveness of last years set up, or at the very least stunting Taytum’s development.

Cause that’s guy’s got perennial All-Star written all over him.

I would worry if Stevens wasn't the coach. Any of those guys can play off ball effectively and the way you can stagger minutes with the lineup will be pretty lethal.

Prime Time
09-12-2018, 09:28 AM
Celtics.

Wasn't there another Celtics fan on the board? I seem to remember something like that before the reset anyway.

LK3185
09-12-2018, 12:06 PM
Wasn't there another Celtics fan on the board? I seem to remember something like that before the reset anyway.

Are you thinking of Charlie Mac? Kleck is a Celtic fan as well.

Prime Time
10-16-2018, 09:41 AM
I think it was Kleck I was thinking of actually.


So any thoughts as opening night approaches? Anything to watch out for?

Prime Time
10-21-2018, 05:11 PM
I hear there was a fight at the Lakers game yesterday?

meandi
10-25-2018, 10:06 PM
I donít know about a fight seeing as how I havenít watched a single game yet. But... how is it my Lakers have LeBron and weíre only 1-3? With Rondo... we should at least be 2-2, yeah? Or is this the same thing when Miami first brought a bunch of superstars together and they had to find their footing? (Or am I just old and should I realize King James And Rondo are past their primes and hope for a good draft class next season?!?)

Prime Time
10-26-2018, 04:06 AM
I was going to ask about that myself. When I saw it they hadn't won a game. They've corrected for that a little more recently but I was going to come in and ask people who know what they are talking about what went wrong in those first three.

LWO4Life
10-31-2018, 07:04 AM
The defense is killing my Lakers. LeBron didn't defend anymore, and the Lakers need to pick up this part of their game. I'm surprised though that they lost to the Wolves, I thought that would have been an easy game.

Prime Time
11-05-2018, 06:23 AM
And still not really firing yet, it seems. I imagine they'll have to come good eventually though, no?

Still got one eye on the Hornets to see if following a team can help me to get the game a bit better, but to be honest it's really difficult when all you can see are highlights.

LWO4Life
11-05-2018, 04:29 PM
Yeah, they just picked up Tyson Chandler to shore up that defense. We'll see. I remember back in the day you got vets because they did play defense, and they locked down players. Now, if you're over 30, you "save your energy" for offense. I'm so confused by the NBA today.

Prime Time
01-22-2019, 07:13 AM
Lakers are like a lot of teams that I thought would do well that just aren't. Only exception are GSW.

Is this just me not knowing much about the game or is it proving particularly unpredictable this year?

LK3185
01-22-2019, 09:23 AM
I would say injuries have played a big part of this combined with team chemisty issues or issues in general. The Lakers weren't going to be good even with Lebron imo because you're expecting young guys around him to take that next step and besides maybe Kuzma I don't know why that was a realistic expectation. Plus Lebron is hurt now.

The Rockets got worse by losing Ariza. They would be top 4 team tho with Harden, Paul and Capela healthy. But that isn't the case.

Raptors and Bucks doing what people expected.

My Celtics have had chemistry and injuries plague them.

Prime Time
03-24-2019, 08:55 AM
There's some coverage in our press about GSW losing their heaviest home game in about ten years or more and losing a few matches in a month. How big a deal is this or is it not really much of a thing?

meandi
03-24-2019, 08:04 PM
Not a big deal at all. Barely an inconvience. GSW have already clenched a playoff spot. Probably just a case of resting their main guys so when it comes tourney time their main guys are fresh and ready to win yet another title.

Prime Time
05-04-2019, 06:08 PM
So, four overtimes, huh? Is that as rare as it sounds?

meandi
05-05-2019, 03:30 PM
Some quick google research says thereís been 13 other 4OT games. Also, 2 5OT games and 1 6OT game. And a ton of 3OT games.

bossofbetting
05-16-2019, 12:13 PM
Who will win this play-offs Warriors or Bucks?

I hope Bucks will do it!

Prime Time
06-21-2019, 05:31 AM
Seen a lot about the Raptors win and to be honest they aren't even a team I've heard getting mentioned a lot, so how much of an upset was this?

LWO4Life
07-10-2019, 01:34 PM
Seen a lot about the Raptors win and to be honest they aren't even a team I've heard getting mentioned a lot, so how much of an upset was this?

Depends. To everyone else, a lot. I personally thought they'd come out the east because they have Kawhi. I wish I put money on it. I didn't think they'd beat the Warriors, but the Warriors also lost two of the key players. So with the injuries and the fact Kawhi is better than anyone in the east equals a win that no one saw unless you know basketball.

Prime Time
07-11-2019, 06:24 AM
I make no bones about the fact that I don't, so explain to me, what is it about this guy that means he's clearly so much better than anyone else in the conference?

LWO4Life
07-11-2019, 04:45 PM
I make no bones about the fact that I don't, so explain to me, what is it about this guy that means he's clearly so much better than anyone else in the conference?

He was a Spur, and he was leader of the Spurs when they beat LeBron's Heat. The Spurs were aging, so their stars were fading, but Kawhi at the time was a very young rising star who gave that old team life, and carried them to one more title.

Why I knew Kawhi would carry the Raptors over the East (I wouldn't say Warriors because that was just luck with injures) was simply because he's the best two way player in the game. He was drafted as a great defensive specialist, and he's lived up to that. He can stop your best player. He's very much like Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant in that can can not only score on you, but he can stop you. But he's not as good offensively as them, but in today's game very rarely is your star player your best defender anymore. So Kawhi is a throwback play in the old mold. He can carry a team, he can stop the other team, and he just has that certain "It" factor in clutch time where he is big in key moments.

Giannis (Greek Freak) is still young. He is where Kawhi was when the Spurs beat the Heat, but the rest of the Milwaukee Bucks weren't as good as that aging Spurs team. The 76ers have ALL the talent, but much of it was thrown together. They have built around Joel Embiid, but Ben Simmons can't shoot, Tobias Harris just got traded there, and Jimmy Butler only cares about Jimmy Butler. Well the Sixers had more talent, it never gelled.

Kawhi on the other hand, even though he was with the Raptors only one year, he is very much a team player, and the Raptors were very much a team that was ready made. They had chemistry already and they were just ready to make a run. They always got close, and just needed that star to push them through. Kawhi fit perfectly. If they had Jimmy Butler, or any other available star for trade at the time, it wouldn't have worked. Even if you put Giannis on the team. Giannis is great, and will be better in the future than Kawhi is now, but he was not ready for that load.

T.O.
07-11-2019, 05:14 PM
Helped that the Raptors had a better supporting cast than the Bucks. Lowry, Van Vleet, and Siakam as a whole top Middleton, Lopez, and Brogdon.

LWO4Life
07-11-2019, 05:20 PM
Helped that the Raptors had a better supporting cast than the Bucks. Lowry, Van Vleet, and Siakam as a whole top Middleton, Lopez, and Brogdon.

But they also beat the Sixers who had more talent, but never came together. Don't get me wrong, it takes all 12 to win a title, but Kawhi is a very easy piece to move into a roster, unlike Jimmy Butler or Ben Simmons, where as Giannis wasn't ready quite yet to carry a team like the Bucks.

T.O.
07-11-2019, 05:32 PM
Both would kick the shit out of the clown show that will be the 2020 Lakers, though.

Mystic
07-11-2019, 10:00 PM
Russell Westbrook is now on the Rockets with James Harden.

This coming year is going to be every kind of interesting.

LWO4Life
07-12-2019, 03:07 PM
That's a pair I NEVER thought I'd see again. Russell and Harden could barely play together in OKC, KD basically hinted that he wished he had Harden and not Rus, and Rus was never really friends with Harden. This was truly a shocker. I have no idea how this will go as it can be great, or it can blow up HUGE.

Prime Time
10-08-2019, 11:06 AM
I saw Kemba Walker has gone to the Celtics. Is that a good move for them? He was one of the people who stood out when I checked out a few Hornets games.

LK3185
10-08-2019, 12:07 PM
A good move that could be addition by subtraction with all the issues with team chemistry had with Kyrie last year.

Team isnt as talented tho due to Kyrie loss and horeford going to the sixers. As a Celtic fan i will probably enjoy the season more

comfortablynumb
10-08-2019, 12:12 PM
Kudos to Adam Silver for finally defending the Rockets GM. The statement the league put out a couple days ago was embarrassing. They will lose money but better than being China’s bitch.

LK3185
10-08-2019, 12:17 PM
Steve Kerr with basically no comment after all his opinions was amusing

T.O.
10-08-2019, 06:01 PM
Go KAT. Go away everyone else on the team. Especially Wiggins.

Prime Time
10-24-2019, 07:32 AM
Couldn't sleep last night so I (completely legally, of course) started watching some of a game. And as I'd sort of picked the Hornets last season, I just decided I was gonna cheer for them rather than worrying about it.

And y'know what, I sort of got it a bit more. I mean, not really, because a lot of the time a whistle would go for what to me seemed to be inexplicable reasons (though I'm sure it makes more sense the more you know). And I'm sure there's a million nuances that I was missing.

But at the same time, it didn't feel like it has so many times before where the ball has seemed to go up and down and the scores go up with very little else to comment on. I don't know what was different here - maybe I was just sleepy - but either way, I actually got the appeal for once. And maybe I'll try again sometime.

Prime Time
01-26-2020, 03:37 PM
Just breaking so might not have the full picture on this but sounds as if Kobe Bryant has died in a helicopter crash?

comfortablynumb
01-26-2020, 06:08 PM
Pretty crazy.

LWO4Life
01-28-2020, 03:10 PM
Just breaking so might not have the full picture on this but sounds as if Kobe Bryant has died in a helicopter crash?

To be honest, this hits so hard. I've barely been able to function today. I was so numb. I'm super sad about his daughter and those little girls on that helicopter. This is all bad.

Powder
02-10-2020, 11:18 AM
I usually could not care less about the NBA, but I was surfing the web and I saw that Kareem Abdul-Jabar's career points scored of 38,387 is considered unbreakable.

I want to throw in a monkey wrench into that statement. LeBron currently has (as of this writing) 33,768 points, which is only 4619 points away from Kareem. LeBron is averaging 25 PPG this season with 33 games left to play which, if his totals stay consistent will give him another 825 point this season, leaving him with 3794 points to catch Kareem.

LeBron, based upon his history usually scores between 1750-2000 points per season if he is healthy, so he could easily break 38,387 points within 3 years at most to become the all time leading scorer.

meandi
02-10-2020, 12:11 PM
LeBron is also in his, what... 16th or 17th year now? Age and injuries are bound to catch up soon.

Powder
02-10-2020, 12:15 PM
Yes, but still only 35. So even if he 'takes it easy' for 5 years and socred half as many points per year, he should still easily break Kareem's record. And he should go for it.