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Cult Icon
04-11-2019, 09:45 PM
Sasha Banks wants out. She either quit or tried to quit WWE this past weekend and has now been given a few weeks to see if she'll change her mind.

Oliver
04-12-2019, 03:07 AM
Just read that. If it's true in terms of reporting, it seems she may have been upset about losing to the IIconics and Mania. Which seems extremely petty.

Also on the way out - Road Dogg has stepped down has head of creative on the Smackdown side, and Archibald Peck has quit as a writer. Not clear whether Road Dogg has just left his role or quit/been fired. Both are reported to have left due to conflicts with Vince directly, Peck possibly over writing the speech Bret gave at the HoF where he mentioned Vince, which is apparently a big no no.

Prime Time
04-12-2019, 06:11 AM
Just read that. If it's true in terms of reporting, it seems she may have been upset about losing to the IIconics and Mania. Which seems extremely petty.


It'll doubtless seem that way to a fan of the IIconics. If you put yourself in her shoes for a minute it's easier to follow.

Imagine you're not happy with... pretty much anything, about the way you're being used. Now say you get given a new title, and you are allowed to believe that you'll be able to hold on to the belts for a good run and will be entrusted with building up those titles to give them some prestige. Then imagine you're told at the last minute that you're going to lose them to a team that most people see as no more than a comedy act.

Put in that way, and seen as a 'straw that broke the camel's back' rather than a sole cause, I think it's a lot easier to understand where she's coming from here (if, indeed, the reported story is true).

mizfan
04-12-2019, 11:20 AM
I'm with Pete, I can't really blame Sasha if she's frustrated and wants out. She was poised more than once to be the biggest female star of this generation and keeps getting shoved to the back of the line. I'm not even the biggest Sasha fan, honestly, but it's clear they're leaving a lot on the table with her. Hope she finds a place where she'll be satisfied and able to maximize her potential.

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04-12-2019, 11:43 AM
Just read that. If it's true in terms of reporting, it seems she may have been upset about losing to the IIconics and Mania. Which seems extremely petty.

I don't know what reports you're reading Ollie but the only thing the IIconics have to do with this story is the fact they were involved in the match. Both Meltzer and Sean Ross Sapp have made it clear Sasha (and Bayley's) frustrations have nothing to do with dropping the belts to the IIconics; in fact if you do a bit of research you'll find that Sasha is not only friends with both of them but stated that they were the only other team worthy of winning the titles first. The issue here is that WWE told both Bayley and Sasha they would be holding the titles for awhile in order to establish them and would be allowing them to defend the belts on RAW, Smackdown and NXT. This is all after Sasha and Bayley campaigned for these titles mind you. Then either a day before the show or even right before their match they get told their plans are changed, followed by the next night WWE booking them to lose to Alexa Bliss in a handicap match. After all that, not to mention all the curious booking Sasha has endured already, I'm kind of surprised there's even any wiggle room for her wanting to return.

So no; this has nothing to do with the IIconics. It has to do with yet another broken promise to Sasha by WWE and her just having enough of it. I expect they'll find a way to keep her, if only because her contract may not be up for awhile (there were reports she signed an extension last year, although it was from an unreliable source so who knows?). But there's definitely been a breakdown in that relationship that WWE is going to have a difficult time fixing, if at all.

comfortablynumb
04-12-2019, 12:25 PM
Did they pinky swear with sprinkles on top too? I highly doubt they promised her anything. I can't picture Vince promising anything. She may have been told that's the direction they were going, and then it was changed like oftentimes happens.

I hope she leaves when her contract is up because she deserves much better, but enough with the hurt feelings. This is business.

Team Farrell
04-12-2019, 12:41 PM
Vince doesn't make promises. He'll drop a lot of "what if's" and people take that to mean that's definitely the real plan for sure, but until it is finalized in a booking meeting it's no a "promise".

The difference I'm seeing in people is hilarious. So many fans are trying to take WWE to task for the fact that she doesn't like her booking and she had that title stolen from her when she deserves to still have it. But the workers only Facebook pages that I'm on are full of "It's work Sasha, if you take it this personally, you're in the wrong business."

Reminds me of this one time a girl I know won a belt and came back through the curtain in tears. One of the boys -- this is one of the most travelled and in-demand guys in Canada -- turns to me and asks if she's hurt. I tell him no, and he says, "Oh. She knows it's a work? Someone should really smarten her up."

Just made me chuckle.

Seriously though, I've long believed Sasha to be not very good, so if she wants to leave then let her go. I think she's sloppy and willing to take stupid bumps, cries when she achieves anything and is "So Passionate™", so it's managed to convince people that she's great. But she's not. So let her walk. Give Mia Yim her favourable positioning.

EDIT: I have to give credit where it's due. I think that The Iiconics are bad. Like, actively bad. Not just "not good" but aggressively terrible. But they were everywhere they needed to be at Mania. They held their own, they didn't botch anything, they didn't look out of their depth, they did great. I hope that they're motivated to keep that up.

EDITII: While I'm here putting over the Women, Bianca Belair deserves a lot of credit. She's going to be one of the greats. She's just over three years since the first time she stepped into a ring, and she gets it. There was this one moment in the NXT match where she was waiting to catch either a moonsault of or cross body. She was a second or two too fast on being into position and rather than stand there looking like a fool ready to make the catch -- like a lot of wrestlers would have -- she kept her sell going, dropped to a knee and fed back around into position a second time. That's some veteran shit you don't see a lot of people doing.

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04-12-2019, 01:17 PM
Vince doesn't make promises. He'll drop a lot of "what if's" and people take that to mean that's definitely the real plan for sure, but until it is finalized in a booking meeting it's no a "promise".

The difference I'm seeing in people is hilarious. So many fans are trying to take WWE to task for the fact that she doesn't like her booking and she had that title stolen from her when she deserves to still have it. But the workers only Facebook pages that I'm on are full of "It's work Sasha, if you take it this personally, you're in the wrong business."

Reminds me of this one time a girl I know won a belt and came back through the curtain in tears. One of the boys -- this is one of the most travelled and in-demand guys in Canada -- turns to me and asks if she's hurt. I tell him no, and he says, "Oh. She knows it's a work? Someone should really smarten her up."

Just made me chuckle.

Seriously though, I've long believed Sasha to be not very good, so if she wants to leave then let her go. I think she's sloppy and willing to take stupid bumps, cries when she achieves anything and is "So Passionate¬ô", so it's managed to convince people that she's great. But she's not. So let her walk. Give Mia Yim her favourable positioning.


Coach, you know you're my guy and I know you're a promoter as well as a worker so you're going to have a different outlook. It doesn't change that this post is rubbish.

Yes, maybe Vince McMahon never explicitly said "I promise you this Sasha!" and all that noise but Vince is also the same guy who has said "do this for me and I'll owe you pal!" to superstars before. Am I really supposed to get mad at a worker for then not being happy when the asshole then doesn't keep his word? Especially when it's happened millions of times before. This is what everyone, including you, seems to be forgetting. This isn't because Sasha lost a title over the weekend. It's about how, ever since she came up from NXT, her run has been the following; being stuck in a dead end stable with Naomi and Alicia Fox, playing hot potato with Charlotte over a title for no logical reason other than just to do it, disappearing into the nether, beginning a feud with Bayley that was so terrible WWE restarted it seemingly fifteen different times to diminishing results each successive attempt, starting a tag team with Bayley when there was no women's tag division to speak of, winning the tag belts and then losing them not even two months later after a forgettable build to a forgettable match to a team that, by your own admission, sucks. And after all that they then told her to go out there with Bayley and lose to a woman who hasn't wrestled in months in a squash. How is anyone supposed to smile and just take all of that after a prolonged period of time?

And here's the other thing your missing; we can sit here and judge how good Sasha is or isn't all we like but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What matters is how over you are and how much business you move. Sasha has been over since she debuted on RAW; I distinctly recall her getting loud "We Want Sasha!" chants back when WWE was doing didly squat with her. I know for a fact her feud with Charlotte a few years ago were very strong ratings wise. Many people report that Sasha is one of the highest selling superstars when it comes to merchandise. So with all that in mind, quite frankly, I don't give a shit if she's the greatest thing since kingdom come or is so bad she makes Billie Kae look like Fenix doing a double jump springboard arm drag (and she's nowhere near that bad). She's over, she can be a draw and she can move merch. It doesn't matter how or why, it just matters that it's so, and unlike Roman Reigns it didn't take WWE just pushing her nonstop to make it happen. And yet despite all of that, all they've done with her booking wise since she's left NXT is given her a few short, meaningless title reigns and long extended periods of nothing to do. If it were me, I knew I was over and I believed I should be doing more, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves as well.

So don't bring in this whole "she does know this a work, right?" bullshit, "Vince McMahon doesn't make promises" bullshit and all this other stuff that doesn't really apply to this situation. The booking doesn't lie. The other stuff doesn't lie. Whatever Sasha Banks is as an in ring worker means nothing when she's one of the most over people WWE has and yet hasn't been booked as such. That's all that matters, and as such I don't blame her at all for not taking that shit anymore.

Oliver
04-13-2019, 05:07 AM
Sorry, I spoke poorly - my point wasn't that Sasha had an issue with losing to the IIconics, just an issue with losing the titles - which, I mean, it happens, right? That's wrestling. But I can totally see it as a straw that broke the camel's back moment, especially only 6 weeks after winning. And the explanation around it from Cult up there makes a lot of sense, in a way, and if I was Sasha or Bayley I'd be super disappointed with how my main roster run has gone.

When I watched the Rumble the only person to get a pop even close to rivalling Becky's was Bayley, with Sasha just behind her. That comes from a Bayley fanboy perspective, completely, but seemed true on the night. I can't believe they haven't tried to position her as at least the number 2 face on either roster by now, if not the number 1.

I'll be stunned if the IIconics are nothing more than transitional champions the the Sky Pirates of Shirai and Sane, by the way. That's who I fancy as being Paige's team for next week.

Prime Time
04-15-2019, 06:26 AM
You know, I don't even really see those two positions as really mutually exclusive (maybe you have to dial parts back a bit, but in their essence). The way I see it, it's perfectly possible to think that Sasha isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread and that Vince is entitled to change up his plans for his business as he sees fit, and at the same time to think that if Sasha is unhappy and feels undervalued and then has the one thing that made her have some optimism taken away, that she's perfectly entitled to ask to leave and see if she can prove that she can do all she feels she can somewhere else.

There's also definitely enough here to bring this out into a thread of it's own.

Powder
04-15-2019, 08:09 AM
I think Sasha will ask for her release. She feels justifiably slighted in every way. During Mania I remember Graves stating that Sasha has never successfully defended her titles. I'm sure that was Vince in his ear taking shots at Sasha.

She should ask for the release. It is clear that Charlotte is the golden child. Becky had to fight her way to the top, but Vince will inevitably squander her and end up having Becky drop the title to Lacey who is the next chosen one. AND Vince still loves Nia and Bliss, so Sasha will probably not get another shot at the title.

She should get released, wait her 90 days, and then sign with AEW.

Oliver
04-15-2019, 10:22 AM
Man, I think I just got Powder bingo:

- Charlotte disparaging
- Vince squandering opportunities
- Vince loving someone
- Someone to leave and sign with AEW

Pretty sure that's a full house, can someone check for me?

Sasha has reportedly told WWE she's not turning up for work this week.

Powder
04-15-2019, 11:11 AM
If the shoe fits for me and Vince...

Cult Icon
04-15-2019, 11:12 AM
She just tweeted out about the show tonight and the report of her not showing up was by Brad Shepherd, who isn't exactly a reliable inside. We'll see but my guess is she'll be there tonight and things have either been smoothed over or she's just going to work through it.

At the end of the day, as much as I would support her leaving to go wherever, I just have no idea how that would happen. We've seen with Neville and the Revival (who did want out by the way) that WWE will not let you go without resistance and that was before there was another promotion run by billionaires getting TV deals with TNT. Assuming she's signed on for the next few years (there were reports she signed a multi-year deal last year, but those are from unreliable sources as well), her giving her notice and going home will just mean she sits at home for a long time because I just can't see WWE willingly releasing her in this wrestling landscape. Her only recourse would be to fight it legally and who knows how that long would take. So even if she was trying to get out (and I'm dubious now after that tweet), I just don't see how it would be possible. One way or another she's stuck and has to make the best of it.

LibSuperstar
04-15-2019, 12:13 PM
Her tweets and IG posts yesterday and today don't seem to line up w/ the rumors. I'll bet she's fine.

LWO4Life
04-15-2019, 12:26 PM
I don't see WWE just letting her leave. A star the level of Sasha, at the stage Sasha is in, could really add a lot of legitimacy to AEW and at least Triple H knows this. She's only 27, and has at least another 4-5 years of prime performance. Even though many women leave earlier than men to start families in wrestling, that's usually not until their early-30's. Looking at the division right now, Charlotte, Becky, and Ronda are all 32, and even if Becky and Charlotte don't want families, they can't keep fighting each other forever. You'll need to elevate other women in the division, and Sasha is a perfect candidate to do that. She is more valuable now that at anytime since her main roster debut.

Team Farrell
04-15-2019, 12:40 PM
I think that Sasha Banks is a lot of things. I think that she's not very good. I think that she's somewhat of an entitled brat who's bought in to her own NXT hype. I think that she's emotionally not tough enough for the pro wrestling industry. I think if she does leave she's going to be an Austin Aries who quits every other company she's in the second things stop going her way.

BUT, I don't think she's stuck in WWE. If she wants to leave and it's going to make her happier, I'm all for that.

And I sometimes think that wrestlers are either too scared to quit, or don't realize the amount of power they truly have. And when I say quit, I don't mean go to Vince and ask nicely or her release. I mean fucking quit.

Funny enough, I worked a TV taping this weekend for a national network that has to remain nameless for the time being. A friend of mine had a dispute with the promoter about, among other things, the lack of a substantial pay boost for working a national TV taping. The promoter wouldn't hear his concerns, so he went out and had a match that could never be used for TV. He flipped off people in the crowd, he cursed right into the roaming camera, and was otherwise a cock (keeping in mind that this is completely on brand for his character anyway). He put on one hell of a match that ensured every person in that crowd would want to see him wrestle again, but now that promoter is out 20 minutes of time on his TV taping.

At the end of the day, wrestling is a live performance. If she, or Neville or The Revival wanted out of their contracts so badly, what's to stop them from going out on live national TV and quitting? What's to prevent skipping their pre-rehearsed entrance with all of the carefully timed camera cuts and just marching to the ring, putting on whatever match they want, regardless of what the agent has put together for them, and marching to the back when all is said and done? They don't have to get WWE fined for swearing on TV, and they're still technically doing the job they're paid to do, but they're saying fuck it to the promoter. If WWE sends Banks home, she can call Wendy Williams back and go on her show to tell the world, straight up, that she wants out of her contract but WWE won't let her. Shit, she has almost two million Twitter followers to publicly lament to.

I don't agree with Sasha's mindset. But if anyone wants to quit and WWE won't let them quit, then all they have to do is QUIT and eventually WWE won't have a choice. Are you burning that bridge? Are you going to make other promoters nervous? Maybe. But if you think you're a big enough star to command top money someplace else, then take a gamble on yourself.

LWO4Life
04-15-2019, 12:47 PM
We have to disagree, because I am all for Sasha's mindset. If you feel you are worth something, get your worth, you feel you need a promotion, go out and get your promotion. Get your worth and don't settle. To think of her as an entitled brat is interesting because she's been in WWE for a while and no one has reported her being a brat. And we'd know if she's a lockerroom problem. Hell, her and Bayley took pictures with the IIconics after their match. I'm sure her beef isn't with the lockerroom at all, and more with the front office.

Team Farrell
04-15-2019, 12:51 PM
Oh, I don't think her mindset of wanting what you believe you're worth is a bad thing. I think her mindset of reportedly essentially throwing a fit and threatening to quit because she didn't get the title reign that she felt they were supposed to get is stupid.

There have been reports of her, and Bayley, very passive aggressively "speaking loudly" about how unhappy they were about losing the titles and "laying on the floor in protest"(?). That's shit my sisters would have done in high school and ANYONE in ANY other workplace would have been Uncle Phil'd the hell out of the building.

EDIT: But seriously, if you want out, get out. Don't give them a choice.

Powder
04-15-2019, 12:56 PM
Someone needs to get a gif of Jazz getting tossed now.

LWO4Life
04-15-2019, 01:03 PM
Oh, I don't think her mindset of wanting what you believe you're worth is a bad thing. I think her mindset of reportedly essentially throwing a fit and threatening to quit because she didn't get the title reign that she felt they were supposed to get is stupid.

There have been reports of her, and Bayley, very passive aggressively "speaking loudly" about how unhappy they were about losing the titles and "laying on the floor in protest"(?). That's shit my sisters would have done in high school and ANYONE in ANY other workplace would have been Uncle Phil'd the hell out of the building.

EDIT: But seriously, if you want out, get out. Don't give them a choice.

That's shit that happens all the time in the lockerr ooms in wrestling. We hear about it all the time after the fact. Bottom line was they were professional with the IIconics afterwards, maybe they had a moment, everybody has a moment. Michael Cole was reported to be yelling at people. It's stressful, people's attitude is short, and at the end of the day, what seemed like some passive aggressive shit might have been brushed off by others in the lockerroom if it was any other day. But on WM, other women might have looked at it like, these women are crazy to do this now. Whatever happens, happens, but to judge them based off that day is stupid.


Editted to add this video. I have to agree with Solomonster.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQdR6ngZKkU

Cult Icon
04-16-2019, 02:14 AM
Oh, I don't think her mindset of wanting what you believe you're worth is a bad thing. I think her mindset of reportedly essentially throwing a fit and threatening to quit because she didn't get the title reign that she felt they were supposed to get is stupid.

There have been reports of her, and Bayley, very passive aggressively "speaking loudly" about how unhappy they were about losing the titles and "laying on the floor in protest"(?). That's shit my sisters would have done in high school and ANYONE in ANY other workplace would have been Uncle Phil'd the hell out of the building.

EDIT: But seriously, if you want out, get out. Don't give them a choice.

After all the reports by Dave Meltzer you've taken with a grain of salt you choose to believe that bullshit by Ryan Satin?! For one it wasn't even a report; Satin lacked confidence in what he was told to the point that he just released it in a serious of tweets and then today tried to walk back on it by insinuating he wasn't suggesting they were complaining. Two, no other reporter, including Meltzer and Sean Ross Sapp (who both corroborated each other's story on Sasha) heard about this or reported on it. If this had happened, one or both of them would've absolutely heard about it and the only other "dirtsheet" to corroborate Satin was WrestleVotes, one of the most unreliable news sources in wrestling. Three, Satin himself admitted that he didn't even reach out to the sources; they all reached out to him. Any wrestling reporter will tell you that is highly unusual activity and a high sign that someone is looking to push an agenda; in this case that Sasha and Bayley were crybabies. And finally, all the WWE wrestlers who spoke out on this "issue" (most notably Mike Bennett) defended Sasha and Bayley and gave no indication that this thing happened.

There's no sign that Satin's story was credible, and that's before I get into the fact that Satin himself isn't all that credible. There are rumors he has falsified and stolen stories before (hell some say that's why TMZ fired him) and based on personal experiences I can believe it. Myself and the website I report on have dealt with him; back in February we leaked information to him about a big lucha star that he reported on, with a deal that we'd then release other details of the situation later. No sooner did he post his initial story, Satin then decided to renege on our agreement and post the story himself to get all the credit; we were fortunate to already have the jump on him and beat him to the punch (it wound up being one of our first big exclusives I'm happy to say). That's the type of guy he is. He can be a good reporter but he will not keep his word and he cannot be trusted with many situations. This is one of them. I don't know if this was him trying to twist the narrative, if he was fed faulty information by sources intending to humiliate him or what, but I can tell you that story cannot be trusted in the slightest, especially if you don't trust more reliable reporters to begin with.

Prime Time
05-05-2019, 11:05 AM
Where does this stand now? Last I read she'd gone home and they'd put Dana Brooke into the match ahead of her.

LK3185
05-05-2019, 12:54 PM
Heard rumors that she might be back for MITB as replacing someone else, possibly Dana... but nothing is confirmed of course.

Also saw her husband flat out deny the tantrum story about losing the tag titles.

Cult Icon
05-05-2019, 02:01 PM
I still can't believe anyone bought that smear story

I don't know where the rumors are coming from about her replacing Dana Brooke but the latest reported news is she's not coming back and is waiting out her deal. She was supposed to be in the MITB match originally but then got replaced by Dana after she made it clear she's not returning. Plus (and this goes for every person who's wanted/wants to leave WWE and somehow no one seems to figure it out), the chances of WWE actually pushing Sasha after this whole thing (and after they tried to leak that bogus tantrum story) are slim to nill, so even if she does come back it won't be for a match like that. But it's moot anyway. She's gone. Unless WWE decides to release her (which they should do, but won't) or she cools off and return somewhere down the road (which is very rare; Pac and Punk didn't do so and as far as I can recall Austin is the only guy to return after walking out. And that was a decade ago) it's likely we won't be seeing Sasha for a long time.

LifeLostInRewind
05-05-2019, 03:15 PM
I don't blame her for wanting to leave, tbh. I think I said this before, but if I wasn't being used properly, I'd want my release. WWE is not the be all end all. She can go to AEW easily.

LK3185
05-05-2019, 10:40 PM
Her contract is for another 2 years at least that i last read... I know Pac sat out a long time but still that's gonna be a long wait if they don't release her.

Cult Icon
05-06-2019, 01:09 AM
No one knows what the deal is with Sasha's contract. There is a report out there that she signed an extension last year, but that report is from WrestleVotes, a notoriously inaccurate source. Combine that with the fact that people really in the know like Meltzer and Sean Ross Sapp don't have a clue (and Sean would considering he's the king of getting contract details) and I don't think we can safely say for sure when her deal is up. It could be later this year, it could be next year, it could be five years from now.

Either way, the point of her having to wait a long time is likely correct. She frankly doesn't have a good choice. On the one hand, she can wait this out, potentially lose years of her career and a ton of momentum. On the other hand she could return to a job she's clearly unsatisfied with and, more than likely, get treated worse. I know everyone wants to believe her coming back would mean she's getting pushed, but if WWE's treatment of The Revival has taught us anything it's more likely she'll be treated as fodder, put in embarrassing skits or just be left off to begin with. And that's not even taking into consideration the fact she asked for her release; am I really supposed to believe WWE would reward her for that when they never have? So those are both bad choices. The only way out really is to fight it legally. Does she have the money or desire to do that? I don't know. But I'm fairly certain if she found a lawyer and took this to court, much like Punk and Del Rio did years ago, she could probably get out. That's frankly the best course of action for anyone looking to leave WWE right now. If your release is denied, take this to court and get out that way. It's easier said and done, but if anyone comes close to challenging WWE and the way their contracts work (something WWE doesn't want) it may be enough to get your freedom.

Oliver
05-07-2019, 03:32 PM
Could she (or anybody else, for that matter) buy out their contract? I know the concept is more of a sports thing, but is it theoretically a possibility?

meandi
05-07-2019, 04:31 PM
Davey Boy Smith did after the Montreal Screwjob and showed up in WCW not long after, so thereís precedence.

LifeLostInRewind
05-07-2019, 06:12 PM
Yeah, but I would assume Vince wouldn't allow it, especially with AEW looming. There's also the fact that as of late, they have become more petty (See Revival's latest booking for more evidence).

Cult Icon
05-09-2019, 11:30 AM
Here's the latest. WWE had been advertising Sasha for a show in Belfast last night, the official start of the European tour. You'll be shocked to know Sasha didn't appear on the show and won't be appearing on the rest of it, which she was in fact not advertised for (making her being advertised for Belfast odd). I did speak to someone in the know and as of right now she is fully prepared to leave WWE and go to AEW, and has even been talking with the higher ups there (though there's been no contract offer as that would pretty much be tampering). When that will happen beats the hell out of me as no one knows the contract situation. It could be tomorrow, two weeks from now, two years from now; who knows. But whatever the case she is preparing to leave, and will continue to do so unless something changes.

Oliver
05-09-2019, 11:51 AM
I kind of admire her for sticking to her guns on this, I must admit. I might just be buying into the narrative that WWE has spun around her (and Bayley) but being in WWE was basically her dream job and you can see how much it meant to her to just be in the company in some of her NXT promos. For her to be willing to give that up, potentially for months where she wouldn't be able to appear anywhere else, is a serious move for her.

I feel like there are more details to come out about the situation and why she's taken such drastic action. Failing to deliver on a promise once is one thing, but not enough (surely) to spark this - it must be failure to deliver and follow through on plans repeatedly, or something not happening that was scheduled to, or just the failure to push her to a level she feels she deserves, or everything all at once.

The worst thing in all of this is that WWE lose someone who could have been a major player for them because they fucked about. And you definitely won't get many black women succeeding in WWE to the level that Sasha could have done.

Prime Time
05-21-2019, 10:35 AM
Sasha situation getting a bit cryptic on Twitter it seems. Came across like she was refuting the speculation that she's trying to quit the company.

Cult Icon
05-21-2019, 11:18 AM
And yet she continues to not appear and this continues to not be addressed, outside of that response you mentioned, which was more her denying that she quit because of not getting a push than her denying she quit (look at what the person she responded to said for the context). Unless she's serving a suspension of sorts it still seems to me the situation is the same as before. Otherwise why would WWE or Sasha go this long making people believe she's trying to leave the company?

Prime Time
05-21-2019, 11:29 AM
Quite. And unfollowing the WWE account and following the AEW account on the same day does seem as if it's designed to be provocative, if nothing else.

comfortablynumb
05-21-2019, 11:53 AM
I kind of admire her for sticking to her guns on this, I must admit. I might just be buying into the narrative that WWE has spun around her (and Bayley) but being in WWE was basically her dream job and you can see how much it meant to her to just be in the company in some of her NXT promos. For her to be willing to give that up, potentially for months where she wouldn't be able to appear anywhere else, is a serious move for her.

It almost seems like NXT/performance center is where they really find a love for the art, and then when you get called up your love is crushed by the machine. So many speak highly of the NXT/performance center environment and how close the locker room is.

For the love of Terry Funk
06-18-2019, 12:21 PM
News has tilted towards a return lately, still all seems up in the air though

Prime Time
07-05-2019, 04:34 PM
Anyone seen the recent suggestions that this is all over exaggeration, and she's back in the summer?

PEN15v2
07-05-2019, 04:48 PM
Anyone seen the recent suggestions that this is all over exaggeration, and she's back in the summer?

I saw in the comments section of another site (so, grain of salt, take it for what it's worth...etc.) that they knew her personally and that while she is upset with booking, she wasn't leaving but using the narrative to make her return a bigger deal. If true, then that's a smart idea. I don't exactly believe it, but it's in the realm of possibility.

Cult Icon
07-05-2019, 05:52 PM
The last word was that she was on extended vacation and would be back sooner than later That was of course a month ago when people thought she was returning imminently and well, it didn't happen. I do think she will be returning at some point as it's a) the only way to keep her contract moving (if she does actually want to leave) and b) she clearly loves wrestling and I don't see her sitting at home for several years. But it's very hard for me to believe she's still on a WWE sponsored vacation and that there have been no problems. There's no doubt in my mind she walked out at least briefly back in April, and WWE either smoothed things over in the medium and are waiting for the right time to bring her back, or things haven't been resolved at all. Her vs. Becky at Summerslam would be a match many want to see, so if she's not back by then then I think it tells you a lot.

PEN15v2
07-08-2019, 11:05 PM
This Sunday, the return of Michael Cole screaming "IT'S BOSS TIME!"

Hopefully she turns heel on Bayley

Cult Icon
07-08-2019, 11:09 PM
This Sunday, the return of Michael Cole screaming "IT'S BOSS TIME!"

I haven't cringed this hard reading something since I caught the phrase "you're either dirty, OR YOU'RE IN THE DIRT!" Only a legend like Sydney Steele could make that line work.

PEN15v2
07-08-2019, 11:30 PM
Vince has always had the mentality of overdoing taglines. "The Boyhood Dream" was likely the first one I consciously noticed in the 90s, but I've watched some TNT and pre-original WrestleMania, where Vince was pushing the buttons on how Big John Studd and Ken Patera cut Andre the Giant's hair (leading to the bodyslam challenge match), and Vince said on commentary, in segments on Tuesday Night Titans, and so many other recaps how the Heenan Family "raped his dignity". It was so over the top and glaring. So, Vince pushing these lame taglines doesn't shock me. I understand how it's marketing., but there has to be a better way than screaming the same overproduced tagline every single entrance someone makes.

LifeLostInRewind
07-09-2019, 05:20 AM
This Sunday, the return of Michael Cole screaming "IT'S BOSS TIME!"

Hopefully she turns heel on Bayley

I could definitely see that. I just don't think the match needs Sasha's assistance when it is already going to be 2 on 1.

Oliver
07-09-2019, 09:33 AM
2 on 1, Bayley wins it, then a 2 on 1 beatdown which Sasha 'makes the save' from.

Then Bayley beats the shit out of her for being a coward and rips Izzy's hairband off.

GIVE ME DARK BAYLEY I'M SO READY FOR IT.

PEN15v2
07-09-2019, 11:00 AM
I'd accept a heel turn from Bayley, but I find she's had enough of a change of character so far that a heel turn isn't needed. Sasha on the other hand, who is not anywhere close to my favorite female wrestler, is woefully terrible as a face. She might be undersized as a heel, but her character work is tremendous. A heated Bayley vs Sasha feud going into SummerSlam would be wise.

LifeLostInRewind
07-09-2019, 07:14 PM
2 on 1, Bayley wins it, then a 2 on 1 beatdown which Sasha 'makes the save' from.

Then Bayley beats the shit out of her for being a coward and rips Izzy's hairband off.

GIVE ME DARK BAYLEY I'M SO READY FOR IT.

They almost gave us a heel turn last year, but then it turned into a way to justify them getting the now dead women's tag titles.

Degenerate
07-13-2019, 01:24 AM
Sasha Banks made an Instagram post, where she apparently was (or still is) in Japan, and took time to train with Meiko Satomura and the Sendai Girls promotion. She also wrote something among the lines of "one day I will return", which can be taken in a few different ways.

I know that Satomura has some relationship with the WWE given her appearance in the Mae Young Classic, but it's still pretty interesting to have Banks spending time in Japan and training with other promotions publicly. Maybe it's just to distract from an impending return to the WWE, who knows.

LifeLostInRewind
07-13-2019, 02:07 PM
Ya know, at first I was behind her decision and irritation with WWE, but now she's just milking everything for attention it seems. It's getting old.

PEN15v2
07-14-2019, 01:22 AM
I'm not Sasha Banks fan. I never thought she was great, her peak was in NXT, and she's been a weak link in most of her matches and angles since.

BUT, WWE have screwed up with her more than any other female performer. Charlotte is better in the ring, Alexa is better on the mic as heel. Yet Sasha is really close to both in those categories, making her one of the better options to be a top heel on either brand. So, WWE decides to book her as a face for 3-4 years? This isn't to say she sucks as a face, but she's barely above average in that role. She was a tremendous heel, and it's definitely her strength. She isn't Roman Reigns, in that WWE is trying to make her the face of the company, so there's no reason not to have turned her heel.

Add this tag title debacle, and I understand her frustrations. I don't think anyone knows exactly how she dealt with those frustrations, so it's possible she handled them immaturely and terribly. That's my guess, but I can't say for sure. But the problem with the tag title stuff wasn't dropping the gold to Iiconics for no reason (I'm a huge fan of the Australian duo). All wrestlers need to understand they need to lose at some point. But it's how it was done. 2018 was such an odd year for Sasha and Bayley, and it felt like they were taking a slow build to something. I kept thinking "give it time, there is something planned, up their sleeve"...etc. Yet all the teasing of a breakup/heel turn turned into a month long title reign? Who knows how true the rumors of Bellas coming back to feud with the Iiconics are, but it really feels like Sasha and Bayley weren't really having any sort of focus. It was aimless for the sake of laziness. That would frustrate me too.

Oliver
07-23-2019, 09:37 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty frustrated with it from a Bayley fan point of view. It felt like they were going to reprise the rivalry that made them both must see in NXT and then they prevaricated at every possible turn. I don't know whether it was to do with the idea for the titles or something else, but I seem to remember them pretty much doing the turn at one point and then nearly immediately retconning it on the next episode of TV.

LifeLostInRewind
07-23-2019, 03:34 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty frustrated with it from a Bayley fan point of view. It felt like they were going to reprise the rivalry that made them both must see in NXT and then they prevaricated at every possible turn. I don't know whether it was to do with the idea for the titles or something else, but I seem to remember them pretty much doing the turn at one point and then nearly immediately retconning it on the next episode of TV.

It did seem like Bayley was going to be heel and I like the idea of doing fresh heel turns (ie: People who have never been heel before going heel), however Sasha would have been the safer person to turn. I expected her to show up at Extreme rules to "assist" Bayley only to turn on her (if she was to return), but atlas that did not happen. Maybe she'll make a surprise return at Summerslam causing a no contest between Ember Moon and Bayley? Although, I honestly expect Charlotte to be put in the title match at Summerslam.

Prime Time
01-10-2020, 09:03 AM
Sounds like she's vs. Lacey Evans tonight?

LifeLostInRewind
01-10-2020, 05:26 PM
Which will likely result in Lacey winning and moving onto Bayley.

Oliver
01-13-2020, 05:23 AM
She was 'AWOL' on Smackdown - apparently recording a rap album or something, not sure if that's storyline or real or what's going on.

I'm wondering if they're drawing this out to Mania, you know, and having Bayley vs Lacey there rather than as a Rumble feud. It wouldn't be the best thing they could do at Mania, in my opinion, but I can't see them building this to a finish at the Rumble right now.

LifeLostInRewind
01-13-2020, 12:43 PM
They probably are, and I could see Lacey taking the belt off Bayley as a feel good moment for Mania.

Prime Time
02-14-2020, 10:26 AM
The Sun here in the UK ran a story where she is supposed to have said that she wants to be on the 'Mania pre-show rather than the full card, so she'd get the same money and could get it done and get out of there.

Feels like they are leaning into the supposed dissatisfaction of last year with this heel character to me - that the sense others are getting?

Powder
02-14-2020, 10:54 AM
If she is not part of a larger story, then why not? Go out, get paid, and leave.

meandi
02-14-2020, 12:45 PM
Thatís exactly what Heyman said Brock was doing last year when they opened with Brock/Seth. That if heís not in the main event, then they might as well get the match over with so they could leave. I kind of like it.