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  1. #361
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    Hoyle only needs another 70 votes, I understand?

    Genuinely not sure what each candidate stands for or what it means going forward if Hoyle (or anyone else) gets appointed speaker. Probably only find out in January or so whether they'll be similar to Bercow on things like SO24 and so on, or whether they will be different.

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    All of their pitches were basically 'I'm not John Bercow'. Though quite what it'll mean in practice, who's to say?

    Yeah, he's nearly over the line to be honest. Barring pretty much everyone swinging behind Eleanor Laing. He's way better off than Bercow was after the first ballot. Although that's the only like-for-like election in recent history to compare it to, so not a huge sample.

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    I don't know anyting about politics but have just registered to vote by post. I am gonna vote for Labour.

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    Good for you Dude. You know what constituency you live in?

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    Hey, it's an election day over here too! Nothing that seems as high stakes as what y'all have going on though. I do get to vote against a mayoral candidate who wants to ban abortions because of the Bible though, so that'll be fun.

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    Always good to get the chance to vote - better still when it's something to believe in.

    Interesting to start for the Tories. The campaign hasn't even really started yet and:

    1) They've been caught doctoring footage of a Labour Shadow minister to make their argument look worse. Even pro-Tory media outlets have accused them of creating 'fake news'.
    2) They've re-used a line that Boris had used in a 2009 article to attack Gordon Brown/Alastair Darling.... and immediately got caught.
    3) Jacob Rees-Mogg implied that the people who burned in Grenfell Tower did so because they were poor and stupid. The Tory MP for North West Leicestershire, Andrew Bridgen, basically doubled down on this later in the day - even though Mogg had already apologised.
    4) Perhaps most important of all, the Secretary of State for Wales, Alun Cairns, has had to resign after it's come out that one of his aides deliberately sabotaged a rape trial, and that he knew about it and did nothing.


    Not a good beginning. If I didn't know better I'd suggest that maybe they don't actually want to win.

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    That seems possible to me. I do have a bad feeling the Tories want Labour to deal with Brexit and then make them look bad afterwards. That could just be paranoia though.

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    I used to think that could be the case but to be honest they've botched it, if so. Boris and Rees-Mogg now have their hands too dirty, and they've implicitly pulled in the ERG and all those hardliners that they've made back the deal. They needed to stay back, keep their powder dry, let someone else take the fall and come in later if that was going to work.


    It goes from bad to worse for the Tories. James Cleverly refused to go on SKY News a few minutes ago, and lo and behold Kay Burley has empty chaired him, basically telling the audience that the Tory spokesperson refuses to go answer questions despite being stood fifteen feet away. This feels like it's unravelling before our eyes.

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    That Kay Burley moment is a great one, by the way - really feels like she's fired up because he's trying to avoid the scrutiny she was going to put him under.

    I'm a little concerned that the Lib Dems are tying themselves too much to Jo Swinson in a Presidential style campaign instead of making it about policies. There are two ways to look at the Lib Dem campaign, for me, one is to think of them as the highest profile party building themselves an anti-Brexit platform, the other is to consider the previous voting record of people like Swinson. Focus on the first could be a real vote winner, but associate with the second and if people do their research they could start to drift away.

    Swinson's record isn't that good/positive:

    - she voted to cut benefit payments including those for people with illness or disability
    - she voted against increased income tax over 150,000
    - she voted against a tax on banker’s bonuses
    - she voted to cut funding for young people seeking jobs or further training
    - she voted against slowing rail fee increases
    - she voted against restriction on landlord fees
    - she voted against local government funding
    - she voted to sell off state-owned forests
    - she voted to restrict legal aid

    There's a lot of very easy attack angles there for Labour, should they choose to take them.

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    I really dislike Kay Burley (and Sky News in general really), but that was a damning moment for the tories.


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    As far as I know Labour are against benefit cuts. The gov should spend money on tackling help people make good decisions with their money.

    Also cuts to the NHS etc etc

    Just makes sense.

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    Sense depends on the seat you're in of course, but yeah, if those are the issues that matter to you voting on those lines can never be a bad thing.

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    Of course. I suppose if I was rich I wouldn't vote Labour, because that would make more sense. Unless I was actually a decent person, but that is hard to come by these days.

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    I want to say it's at least people are still being caught/called out/held accountable for all that shady shit Pete mentioned earlier. Feels sometimes like over here the average citizen would hardly blink at that stuff.

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    It's not really as good as I made it sound. There's some accountability in the middle, but we're basically divided into two camps now and those two groups will let people get away with murder.

    The number of potential MPs I've seen have to stand down because the vetting process was shit is incredible. We're only a few days in and I've seen half a dozen scandals.

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    There are always some - but from memory it's a lot more common during council/local elections than during GE campaigns.

    Boris caught out on his 'no checks on goods between NI and GB' again today - it's like he doesn't understand his own deal, or is a compulsive liar.

    I wish someone would set up a page like they do for Trump's lies in the US - https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/

    EDIT: Aha! https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
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    Brexit Party are standing aside in the 317 seats that the Tories won last time.

    The odds of the big landslide are still pretty short - but the chances of a major Tory collapse are also not really there any more, either. Barring the Lib Dems slamming them in a few areas.

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