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    Hoyle only needs another 70 votes, I understand?

    Genuinely not sure what each candidate stands for or what it means going forward if Hoyle (or anyone else) gets appointed speaker. Probably only find out in January or so whether they'll be similar to Bercow on things like SO24 and so on, or whether they will be different.

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    All of their pitches were basically 'I'm not John Bercow'. Though quite what it'll mean in practice, who's to say?

    Yeah, he's nearly over the line to be honest. Barring pretty much everyone swinging behind Eleanor Laing. He's way better off than Bercow was after the first ballot. Although that's the only like-for-like election in recent history to compare it to, so not a huge sample.

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    I don't know anyting about politics but have just registered to vote by post. I am gonna vote for Labour.

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    Good for you Dude. You know what constituency you live in?

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    Hey, it's an election day over here too! Nothing that seems as high stakes as what y'all have going on though. I do get to vote against a mayoral candidate who wants to ban abortions because of the Bible though, so that'll be fun.

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    Always good to get the chance to vote - better still when it's something to believe in.

    Interesting to start for the Tories. The campaign hasn't even really started yet and:

    1) They've been caught doctoring footage of a Labour Shadow minister to make their argument look worse. Even pro-Tory media outlets have accused them of creating 'fake news'.
    2) They've re-used a line that Boris had used in a 2009 article to attack Gordon Brown/Alastair Darling.... and immediately got caught.
    3) Jacob Rees-Mogg implied that the people who burned in Grenfell Tower did so because they were poor and stupid. The Tory MP for North West Leicestershire, Andrew Bridgen, basically doubled down on this later in the day - even though Mogg had already apologised.
    4) Perhaps most important of all, the Secretary of State for Wales, Alun Cairns, has had to resign after it's come out that one of his aides deliberately sabotaged a rape trial, and that he knew about it and did nothing.


    Not a good beginning. If I didn't know better I'd suggest that maybe they don't actually want to win.

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    That seems possible to me. I do have a bad feeling the Tories want Labour to deal with Brexit and then make them look bad afterwards. That could just be paranoia though.

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    I used to think that could be the case but to be honest they've botched it, if so. Boris and Rees-Mogg now have their hands too dirty, and they've implicitly pulled in the ERG and all those hardliners that they've made back the deal. They needed to stay back, keep their powder dry, let someone else take the fall and come in later if that was going to work.


    It goes from bad to worse for the Tories. James Cleverly refused to go on SKY News a few minutes ago, and lo and behold Kay Burley has empty chaired him, basically telling the audience that the Tory spokesperson refuses to go answer questions despite being stood fifteen feet away. This feels like it's unravelling before our eyes.

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    That Kay Burley moment is a great one, by the way - really feels like she's fired up because he's trying to avoid the scrutiny she was going to put him under.

    I'm a little concerned that the Lib Dems are tying themselves too much to Jo Swinson in a Presidential style campaign instead of making it about policies. There are two ways to look at the Lib Dem campaign, for me, one is to think of them as the highest profile party building themselves an anti-Brexit platform, the other is to consider the previous voting record of people like Swinson. Focus on the first could be a real vote winner, but associate with the second and if people do their research they could start to drift away.

    Swinson's record isn't that good/positive:

    - she voted to cut benefit payments including those for people with illness or disability
    - she voted against increased income tax over 150,000
    - she voted against a tax on banker’s bonuses
    - she voted to cut funding for young people seeking jobs or further training
    - she voted against slowing rail fee increases
    - she voted against restriction on landlord fees
    - she voted against local government funding
    - she voted to sell off state-owned forests
    - she voted to restrict legal aid

    There's a lot of very easy attack angles there for Labour, should they choose to take them.

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    I really dislike Kay Burley (and Sky News in general really), but that was a damning moment for the tories.


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    As far as I know Labour are against benefit cuts. The gov should spend money on tackling help people make good decisions with their money.

    Also cuts to the NHS etc etc

    Just makes sense.

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    Sense depends on the seat you're in of course, but yeah, if those are the issues that matter to you voting on those lines can never be a bad thing.

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    Of course. I suppose if I was rich I wouldn't vote Labour, because that would make more sense. Unless I was actually a decent person, but that is hard to come by these days.

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    I want to say it's at least people are still being caught/called out/held accountable for all that shady shit Pete mentioned earlier. Feels sometimes like over here the average citizen would hardly blink at that stuff.

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    It's not really as good as I made it sound. There's some accountability in the middle, but we're basically divided into two camps now and those two groups will let people get away with murder.

    The number of potential MPs I've seen have to stand down because the vetting process was shit is incredible. We're only a few days in and I've seen half a dozen scandals.

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    There are always some - but from memory it's a lot more common during council/local elections than during GE campaigns.

    Boris caught out on his 'no checks on goods between NI and GB' again today - it's like he doesn't understand his own deal, or is a compulsive liar.

    I wish someone would set up a page like they do for Trump's lies in the US - https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/

    EDIT: Aha! https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
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    Brexit Party are standing aside in the 317 seats that the Tories won last time.

    The odds of the big landslide are still pretty short - but the chances of a major Tory collapse are also not really there any more, either. Barring the Lib Dems slamming them in a few areas.

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    What seems odd to me is that Farage is now asking the Tories to stand aside in marginal seats so that his party get a clean run at taking them. It's almost like he doesn't understand the point of the General Election - for the Tories - is to get a majority that validates this deal Johnson's got. Weird, to be honest.

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    I wonder if it's his way of deflecting, because Brexit are still under pressure to stand down in marginals. He has to know that there is no way the Tories can actually stand down like that. It must be just to try and shift the conversation away from his party giving even more ground.

    I've seen a bit on the 'net to suggest that while the future Lord Farage is getting a lot of praise from Tories, he's left plenty of Brexit Party people furious - especially those who are out of pocket because they were going to run in Tory seats.

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    Got my poll card today, but my friends was a different colour and said "postal vote" on it. I signed up to vote by post dammit. I don't know what to do.

    It's not really a big deal but it just shows how fkin useless the Gov is. Before anyone says maybe you cant vote by post, when I was signing up, it said anyone can vote by post. Bizzare.

    Also got yet another form to fill in if I want to keep my benefits. I just filled one in a few months ago but its only a minor annoyance. People on UC have to jump thru hoops every couple of weeks to get there money, which is also F all compared to sickness benefits.

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    Do you have a postal voting statement as part of what they've sent you?

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    Was just about to edit my post. I just checked the back of the card and it says "IF" we decide to give you a postal vote. Nevermind it's not as if I'm in a wheelchair or have eyesight problems so fair enough. I'll just have to remember to do it on the day.

    From what I've heard it sounds like the torys will win which is completely depressing.

    EDIT: Just heard on the radio quote "Labour will cripple the NHS". I'm sure that's not the case as just the other day on the same radio station they said Labour plan to spend loads on mental health services. No wonder so many people are confused.
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    Labour are suggesting they'd be putting more cash into the NHS than the Tories.

    And perhaps the misleading thing is that spending as a whole is up - 2013-2017 (can't find detail beyond that) total spend went up by ~25bn in total. But as a percentage of GDP it's down over the same period by 0.2%, while growth in spending has decreased over the same period (from 4.6% 2013-2014 to 3.3% 2016-17 - and in 2017 prices the changes are 2.9% down to 1.1% respectively). I think the statistic is something like traditionally spending the NHS has grown by 3.7% on average since it was established, but since 2009/10 to today growth has only been averaging 1.5%. So, really, why is the NHS struggling and who has overseen that period?

    Oh, it's the Tories.

    Waiting list performance is worse than ever, as well - down to something like only 86% making the target.

    I see Johnson is on the BBC now, essentially turning every answer he gives into 'well, Labour are going to have two referendums in 2020'.
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    I tell you what, the Tories have done Farage up like a kipper (No pun intended). They've turned his own party against him, killed off the threat from the right, have basically wounded him as a cause from which they can rally around again, and rather than worrying about him and have turned him into someone that their own press can attack at will.

    I expected Nigel to have more sense than to let them do this, as it's been so obvious. But I am surprised at how quickly it's all happened - how fast it went from adulation to Brexit Party groups circulating photos of Nigel with TRAITOR emblazoned across them.

    EDIT: I'm not sure what's happened to their model, but Electoral Calculus updated their prediction today to cut the Tory majority in half. They are still saying there's a near 60% chance of a Tory majority but I think it shows a certain volatility there.

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