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  1. #41
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    My only problem is that I don't want to see The Fiend no-sell all of Riddle's offence for 20 minutes, but I think that Riddle loses a lot in a quick five minute loss to Fiend.

    That's the problem they've booked themselves into. Fiend shouldn't be doing 20+ minute main event matches in this incarnation if he's just going to get hit with all of his opponent's signature moves and shrug them off. They're just not interesting matches to watch already and there's only been two of them.

    They need a find an out to get that belt off of him and turn him into the 1993 Undertaker where they just find guys to rotate in for him to beat.
    It could always be a gimmick match that doesn't require pinfall or submission. Steel cage or ambulance match would be best. I won't even suggest Last Man standing because I don't think it can work with his lack of selling.

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    I admit I haven't watched any recent Wyatt matches, but didn't he go 20 minutes with Rollins? He can't have no sold everything. If Bryan's not doing anything let them have a 15-20 minute banger that is all about Bryan trying different strategies but ultimately getting overcome in a finish that still puts Wyatt over strong.

    I actually like the idea of a semi-squash title match too, but it doesn't have to be that way to put Wyatt over big.

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    Literally. Everything.

    He registered plenty of stuff, but he took curb stomp after curb stomp and continued to pop back up to his feet. At Crown Jewel, Rollins sidestepped Bray on the floor that sent Bray crashing through the barricade and about 10 seconds later he was up and ready to go like nothing happened.

    Both matches have been about 20 minutes of Rollins hitting Bray with every wrestling move he knows how to to and The Fiend shaking them off.

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    Man that sounds like complete garbage.

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    There's a small part of me that wants to see The Fiend vs Gargano, just to watch The Fiend no sell everything of Gargano's and Gargano repeatedly kick out of everything The Fiend has.

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    Perhaps I will eventually have an issue with the fiend's no selling, but it doesn't bother me right now.

    What if Tyson Furry is the one to challenge The Fiend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLostInRewind View Post
    What if Tyson Furry is the one to challenge The Fiend?
    Oh dear God no.

    I'd rather have Gilberg make a triumphant return to challenge the Fiend, sparklers and all, than to have the Fiend have to sell, or no sell for that matter, for Fury.

    If/when Fury is done with boxing, then send him to the PC and let him become a wrestler, until then, keep him out of the ring again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    There's a small part of me that wants to see The Fiend vs Gargano, just to watch The Fiend no sell everything of Gargano's and Gargano repeatedly kick out of everything The Fiend has.
    That would be the pinnacle of high art in pro wrestling.

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    I know it's a typo, but 'Tyson Furry' has made me giggle like silly. I hope it turns out he does have a furry kink and spends his sexy time wearing a full bunny costume. I hope that's his gimmick. I hope he was Adam Rose's bunny and that becomes canon.

    Sorry, distracted.

    What if they just do a real quick five minute 'legend' match for The Fiend? Have Goldberg rock up, spear-no sell-jackhammer-no sell-mandible claw-submission?

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    That would work.

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    Would Mick Foley do?

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    No. Absolutely nothing Foley could do physically now would look believable. Goldberg is all power moves. A spear and Jackhammer follwed with the Fiend popping up and applying the mandible claw is probably the best option with a legend.

    Now Foley from 12-15 years ago. Sign me up.

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    So much of this show is reminding me of 2006, when ECW was introduced into standard WWE PPVs. I remembering ordering the online access to Survivor Series that year, just to see the PPV debut of CM Punk, teaming with DX and the Hardys. What a shitty show.

    I genuinely hope the NXT vs RAW vs SD stuff ends at the PPV. I don't want any Raw/SD guys on NXT regularly. I hope this is a one month thing to pump up NXT while building to Survivor Series.

    As for the card, it's weird how Survivor Series has morphed and evolved over the years. I think the most recent incarnation of the event is the best overall for today's product. Random 4vs4 or 5vs5 matches are hard to logically build up in today's WWE. Oddly, NXT seem to be the brand with a ready to go reason for that sort of match, and are putting both of these angles in the War Games cage. WWE has been woefully inept at using stables. The first month of AEW Dynamite showed just how much story you can draw from a single stable. NJPW is another great example. In Impact, Sami and OVE are the top of the company.

    They've been able to create decent reasons for 4/5 random people to join forces and battle. But the last time I felt they really got it right was 2003, Team Austin vs Team Bischoff. Since then, some OK ones, but rarely do the brand battles have any meaning. NXT at least has a ladder match to determine who gets the War Games advantage with the women. Give the brand a reason to compete, and maybe it'll give usbtance to random groups vs other random groups.

    But until then, WWE has been smart in letting the rest of the card be attractive with storyless attraction matches. Brock vs Bryan and vs AJ over the last 2 years were great reasons to tune in without a real rivalry.

    This year though, other than giving NXT a rub with a win with the tag and womens titles, I don't see why we should care which brand wins.

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    I'm not sure there's ever been that much reason to care which brand 'reigns supreme' come the end of the night. There's no impact going forward, and no stakes involved.

    Last year's Mixed Match Challenge had higher stakes than Survivor Series.

    As far as recent Survivor Series matches go, the Team WWE Vs Team Authority match was pretty good, even if they retconned it's importance amount a month later because John Cena's a coward and wouldn't let Edge take a bump.

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    What are the chances WWE does a run in during wargames?

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    I think that would be their biggest misstep in a long time (from a purely NXT perspective).

    That's if, as I interpret your comment, you actually mean during the WarGames matches.

    If you just mean on the show itself, it kind of depends - if they do it during something that's completely throwaway anyway it will work. Like, have them turn up and take out Shane Thorne and Bronson Reed during a match - nobody really cares about the outcome (even if they had a dope match a couple of weeks ago) and they can turn up, beat them down, do a promo then leave without a major issue.

    Do it during either of the WarGames match or a Dunne/Dain/Priest triple threat and I think it's a mistake, especially if during the WarGames bouts themselves.

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    I see they've now confirmed Styles vs Strong vs Nakamura for Survivor Series.

    There's also a Team Raw confirmed - Captain Seth Rollins, Randy Orton, Ricochet, Kevin Owens, and Drew McIntyre.

    I'm not sure exactly when they were all set up, but there are actually two 5 on 5 on 5 matches showing on the Survivor Series 2019 wikipedia page - women's and men's, Raw vs Smackdown vs NXT.

    So all in all we're now looking at a card of:

    Brock vs Rey
    Becky vs Bayley vs Shayna
    Raiders vs New Day vs Undisputed Era
    Women of Raw (All TBC) vs Women of Smackdown (Sasha, Carmella, Dana, 2 TBC) vs Women of NXT (All TBC)
    Men of Raw (Rollins, Owens, Orton, Ricochet, Drew) vs Men of Smackdown (All TBC) vs Men of NXT (All TBC)
    Styles vs Nakamura vs Strong

    I'm kind of assuming they'll add something for The Fiend - he's not going to be Team Smackdown, it would be weird - and Rusev vs Lashley seems likely, but otherwise I'm going to guess that's the card, 8 matches.

    EDIT: Men of Smackdown now confirmed:

    Men of Raw (Seth Rollins, Randy Orton, Ricochet, Kevin Owens, Drew McIntyre) vs. 5 NXT Superstars TBA vs. Men of Smackdown (Roman Reigns, Shorty G, Ali, King Baron Corbin, Braun Strowman)

    Not sure what difference it makes, but Rollins and Reigns are team captains.
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    Don't really want to triple post, but as it's only a couple of weeks away now:

    Seems like they are going for Fiend vs Bryan - I hadn't picked up on that but it was apparently on the last Smackdown that they had a confrontation.

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    They did but it wasn't aired. I think that backstage segment will be on tomorrow's SD, followed by a live appearance of the Fiend, as Fox has been promoting the hell out of the Fiend's appearance.

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    Ah, that explains it - I just saw an article on it on the front page here.

    I like them going in the Fiend/Bryan direction - think it's the right sort of match for them to be doing. And Bryan has already weaved his magic with Bray before, so we know they have some good chemistry together.

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    They did but it wasn't aired. I think that backstage segment will be on tomorrow's SD, followed by a live appearance of the Fiend, as Fox has been promoting the hell out of the Fiend's appearance.
    Are you sure it didn't air? The smackdown results on the MP implies it did.

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    No, not sure, but I do not believe it did.

    I guess we will see tonight.
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    WWE did release it on Youtube a week ago, which suggests it aired, or at least that it has been publicly out there:


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    I do not think it aired. B/c wasn't Wyatt stuck in Saudi? So they would have had to film that ahead of time, and then air it on SD, when Wyatt was in Saudi, which would not make any sense.

    unless, the Fiend can teleport....
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    That was the week before though, not last week.

    It is written in the results on the MP too:

    – Sami Zayn is backstage with Daniel Bryan. Sami says Bryan should’ve celebrated with them earlier. He says Cesaro and Shinsuke Nakamura were a little upset about it, but he told them that Bryan needed a little mpre time. Sami doesn’t really think Bryan needs more time, he thinks Bryan’s mind is made up. He thinks Bryan doesn’t want to go back to the “yes!” chants and the Yes Movement, he wants to move forward with them. The lights go black but it just looks like some sort of glitch as they come right back on. Sami tells Bryan to just say something, say what you want to say. The lights go out again. They come on but this time there’s the red light. WWE Universal Champion “The Fiend” Bray Wyatt is behind Bryan. Sami quickly takes off and Bryan turns around. Wyatt brings Bryan down with the Mandible Claw and laughs the whole time. SmackDown suddenly cuts to commercial.

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    Oh...then I guess it did air.

    But Fox has been promoting the Fiend's appearance tonight, so we will see him in some aspect.

    But will we get Bray at the Funhouse, or will we finally get to hear the Fiend talk?

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    I'm looking forward to the event due to the match ups, but I find so few of these matches have an interesting story. The only brand feud based match that's interesting is the women's champion match. But is there much that anyone cares about the matches involving NXT vs SD vs Raw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post
    I'm looking forward to the event due to the match ups, but I find so few of these matches have an interesting story. The only brand feud based match that's interesting is the women's champion match. But is there much that anyone cares about the matches involving NXT vs SD vs Raw?
    It's interesting, I was just saying the same thing in another corner of the internet - they've only done a decent, escalating build with the women's match.

    Smackdown vs Raw vs NXT always ends up suffering because people suddenly put on a coloured t-shirt and want to defend their brand's honour or whatever, even if a month previously they were feuding with one of their teammates. I don't actually think they've done anything to build up Strong vs Styles vs Nakamura or Raiders vs New Day vs UE other than the 'everyone fights' segments.

    Rusev being a cuck is pretty much the second best built storyline going into Survivor Series.

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    I would put Rey vs Brock and Fiend vs Bryan ahead of Rusev vs Lashley, and they have matches this Sunday.

    But that cuck story is better than the internet is giving credit. It's not great by any means, but it's over, performances are better than expected (though Lana has rough moments on the mic, but her acting makes up for it), and I want to see Rusev get his hands on Lashley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post
    But that cuck story is better than the internet is giving credit. It's not great by any means, but it's over, performances are better than expected (though Lana has rough moments on the mic, but her acting makes up for it), and I want to see Rusev get his hands on Lashley.
    Wrestling was better before the word "cuck" made it back into the lexicon.

    Seriously though, what I feel this feud is missing is anyone but those three interacting with one another. There's almost too much interaction. If the closing visual going in to Sunday had been Rusev shoving the ring down Lashley's throat, I think I'd be more interested, but they hit that weeks ago and I almost feel like someone came up with it, thought it was a great idea, but couldn't bring themself to hold off.

    I've been watching right around the Goldust-Pillman-Marlena angle from '97 recently, and the big difference that I see is Goldust is on a rampage. He's physically altered his appearance with the facepaint so you know something is different, and he's either looking depressed or trying to hurt people when he's in the ring. And he's not being made to look like a fool each week.

    Pillman gets up on him with XXX Files videos, and by running out of the arena, but Goldust is still beating guys and showing that he's a credible wrestler.

    I don't want a monster like Lashley running away necessarily. But let Rusev come out like the old Rusev and just maul guys, Lashley and Lana do something to get up on him emotionally but Rusev is still standing at the end. Maybe security is holding him back, maybe Lashley is in the luxury box overlooking, maybe the announcers let us know that the McMahons have some sort of non-physicality deal between the two.

    Then this week you do the in-ring segment that ends with Rusev shoving the ring down his throat, Lana tries to make the save, Lashley leaves him laying and we're at a match for Sunday.

    It feels like this whole thing has been in its own bubble, and for some reason that makes me care less.

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    I kind of think that's a fairly general problem with the way WWE books things now, Coach - in order to get a tag team championship match, the challengers have to beat the champions non-title, and then for the next two weeks members of each team face off to build heat or momentum or whatever, then you get to the pay per view and they have a title match. There's no thought of whether or not it would be better if the Street Profits beat Ryder and Hawkins (just for example) and then challenged the champions, and built to that challenge by beating other teams. Heck, even now - you've got The OC building to something with the Profits and Carillo, and in order to get there Carillo fought Anderson with the other guys at ringside.

    I think this is why I like there to be a faction or two around that you can build things up with (and that might be where this OC/Carillo Profits thing is going, if Carillo is going to end up facing AJ for the title for example) - because it automatically gives an easy, logical story for a challenger to to work their way through the underlings in order to get their shot at the champion.

    Weirdly, I'd almost forgotten about Rey vs Brock happening. It's no holds barred now, too, so...I don't know, Cain Valasquez to run interference and do some good, good Lucha things to Brock?

    Don't get me wrong, by the way - I too think the Rusev storyline is pretty good, has generated some genuinely good reactions, and is doing well. I'm not sure it's deserved being quite the focus it has on Raw where it's had main event segments and so on, but I'm also really happy that Rusev is getting a chance to shine in a major storyline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    I don't want a monster like Lashley running away necessarily. But let Rusev come out like the old Rusev and just maul guys, Lashley and Lana do something to get up on him emotionally but Rusev is still standing at the end. Maybe security is holding him back, maybe Lashley is in the luxury box overlooking, maybe the announcers let us know that the McMahons have some sort of non-physicality deal between the two.
    I think the issue is that every angle has been like this recently. We've seen pull appart brawls between brands, beween Becky and Shayna and Bayley, between Brock and Rey... Then you look at AEW, and they did it with Jericho/Cody, and midcard feuds like Bucks vs LAX. I'm sure something was done between Mox vs Omega too, but I can't remember exactly.

    So I wouldn't be surprised if someone was backstage orchestrating that these brawls should be held back an extra week or so. Since there's no match booked (yet) for Survivor Series, I wouldn't be surprised if the volume gets turned up next Monday.

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    So they've just announced that at WarGames they're running Dunne Vs Dain Vs Priest. The winner of that then challenges Cole at Survivor Series itself.

    Who would you want to be the challenger from those three?

    My money's on Dunne given how they've been behind him throughout his time in NXT, and because I think he'll work the best with Cole.

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    Dunne. Cole might be the heel with the most cheers, but he's still a heel. Dunne is the only face, and would deliver the most Takeover quality match at Survivor Series.

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    Something about Pete Dunne just does not connect with me. Now Killian Dain I see some real potential in. But I would think that Vince would want him to get his arms waxed.

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    Dain has a great future, but he's one of those talents that isn't ready for prime time yet. Dunne is without doubt ready.

    It's just too bad his first WWE main roster PPV exposure will be with Adam Cole. This means it'll be a good match for 70% of it, then the last 30% will be the generic Gargano/Bucks style spotty kickout fest.

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    I'd kind of hope that Dunne could reign that in due to style, but am not sure it will happen.

    Really, I want Dunne as NXT Champion. I'd quite like them to do a non-finish due to UE run in and build something for the next Takeover, but that's clearly going to be Ciampa's spot based on the story they're telling. Although it would be fun to have Ciampa need to retarget his focus onto Dunne but also deal with Cole.

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    Dunne turning heel and being a challenger to Ciampa down the line works best in my opinion, if that's the match you want to go with.

    That said, with the 3rd brand on TV and now Survivor Series, it's really tough to predict what will happen with NXT main event stories. We have been used to Champions winning a few months of their run, then losing, and main roster was the best step. Now, it's entirely possible that pattern changes. UE could end up being on NXT for a while. As much as the gimmick isn't to my taste and as little as I care for Cole at champion, NXT is the next place for them. It isn't about main roster writing screwing up UE, but because the face VS heel dynamics are stronger there. NXT somehow gets away with heel Cole VS babyface opponent, but the crowd being split. I don't know if that would work on Raw VS Rollins for example in a longer story without ruining all babyface reactions for Seth, which is already a concern as it is.

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