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    Bulldog's 2020 Predictions


    OK, so I posted my results from last yearís predictions and if you read them youíll know I didnít do very well, only scoring 2 out of 10. Maybe 3 out of 10 if Lynchís run as Becky Two Belts counts as unifying the Womenís titles, but given it was never acknowledged as a unification and she lost one of the belts shortly afterwards I canít really count that and keep any integrity. OK, I never expected to get a perfect 10, but I did think I'd do a bit better than that.

    I donít know how long Iíll keep this going as an annual thing, but for now it would be wrong not to do a few predictions for next year as well so I can hopefully get a better result. Iím not going to go in to huge detail with some of them, I think most will speak for themselves (and some are little more than a repeat/update from my last set). It's also a good way to get a few thoughts out there that wouldn't fill a whole column, but which show you how I'm currently thinking.


    1: Raw or Smackdown ratings will get consistently over 3 million.

    OK, slightly less ambitious than last year, but hopefully more realistic. I donít think NXT ratings will grow a great deal; itís too easy to watch that on the Network.


    2: AEW ratings will settle at a consistent 0.5 million

    I hope AEW at least maintain their current figures and it would be nice to see them grow as well, Iím just not convinced they have anything to draw in the casual fan in the way WWE does. I can see their current decline (which is inevitable for a new promotion that started as well as it did) continuing a while longer before it levels out at a regular half million hardcore fans.

    This is where I think Vinceís vision of the Brand being the attraction rather than any particular star actually works. OK, WWE ratings may be better if they found the next Hogan/Austin/Cena, but now thereís another promotion around thereís always the risk that a star could jump ship. As things are at the moment, the only thing that could provide genuine growth for AEW is the acquisition of a major star, and I donít believe that person exists right now thanks to Vinceís vision.


    3: Baron Corbin will win either a main Title or the Royal Rumble this year.

    No explanation needed. I donít see both happening though - I think if he wins the Rumble, he loses at Mania. For the record, I currently believe either Corbin or Drew MacIntyre will win the Rumble, with MacIntyre the slight favourite as Corbin got the King Of The Ring instead.


    4: A new US Title belt will be unveiled.

    This is the only belt that hasnít been updated in recent memory; itís still pretty much the same design it had in WCW. Itís long overdue a change, although as it often gets overlooked as a title I wonít be surprised if this doesnít happen.


    5: Undertaker will compete in a Retirement Match at Survivor Series.

    I mean itís long overdue right? The best thing was for him to retire after the WrestleMania when Reigns beat him. It was a perfect send off. As that perfect send-off has been ruined, why not go for the perfect circle and retire on the 30th anniversary of his debut.

    Iím not sure who the match is against. Just please have it be someone who can take that supernatural slot on the roster. At time of writing I guess Bray Wyatt is the obvious choice. Back when Type did his WrestleMania Fantasy Draft I had the Demon Finn Balor do it. Iíd even be happy with a joint retirement match between Taker & Kane, or a returning legend Ė maybe Goldberg getting his win back, although that wouldn't do much for the future of the business.

    Or basically anyone except Corbin.


    6: Ronda Rousey will make a comeback in time for WrestleMania

    Öand then probably disappear again. Maybe SummerSlam or Survivor Series at the latest. It would be good to see her stick around to find out if sheís learned to wrestle yet, and for her put over all the girls who tried to make her look good during her initial run. But I donít see that side of things happening, sheíll take the money and run.


    7: The Womenís Royal Rumble will be won by someone from NXT


    Rhea Ripley or Shayna Baszler are obviously the main options here. I almost didnít include this one after news came out that Vince hated the Womenís main event at Survivor Series, but I look at the Womenís roster and donít see anyone more likely than one of these two. Given what happened at Survivor Series Rhea Ripley is probably slightly more likely.

    I also think it's worth mentioning that this will happen to help promote the brand as being equal to Raw & Smackdown - they won't use the Men's Rumble for it, but I think the NXT women are definitely in with a shout. Booked correctly, they could maybe even use it as part of a slow build to the often-rumoured Horsewomen vs Horsewomen match at Survivor Series (assuming they don't rush it and do it at WrestleMania - see Prediction 6).


    8: CM Punk will make a full(ish) comeback

    I nearly didnít include this one as it has probably become too inevitable now heís signed with Fox to do WWE Backstage. OK, so that contract isnít with WWE and doesnít include him wrestling but when it was just a rumour and wasnít formally announced yet, even Punk himself admitted that it would probably have to result in him wrestling at least once.

    The current Twitter feud heís in with Rollins has probably already started the build up to it, and would be a worthy main event Ė the very thing heíd always wanted.
    I donít know that it results in a full time come back, everything Iíve read says he was sensible with his money and doesnít need the regular income as a wrestler; but CM Punk is probably one of the extremely rare people who could make occasional appearances as a special attraction (much like Taker, Batista and Goldberg have in the past couple of years) and not get complained about.

    And when I say Ďextremely rareí, I mean 100% unique. I canít think of anyone else not signed anywhere that has both a big enough name for WWE to use him in this way AND have it be accepted by the whole fan base that itís a good thing.


    9: 2020 Hall of Fame Headliner

    To predict this one, you also have to rule out the other potential options. Despite the questions surrounding how worthy some WWE Hall of Famers are, the headliners of each class have never been in doubt. How many headline worthy people are left out there?

    Itís too soon for it to be Cena so heís out of the equation straight away. Vince wonít allow himself to go in before he dies. I suspect HHH will inherit a similar philosophy (although I think heíll be a 2-time Hall of Famer with DX & Evolution before going in on his own). I donít see Undertaker going in yet and Kane will probably go in the same year as him (although I donít know that Kane is a HoF headliner?). Big Show? No. Not yet at least, and again probably not a headliner. The Rock is always an option and will go in whenever he wants. I just donít believe he wants it yet.

    I know there is speculation that the NWO will be the 2020 headline act, and I know Hogan has been trying to push for one last match (that absolutely nobody wants to seeÖ), and with WrestleMania being in his home state makes it an obvious time for it to happen, but I donít see them going with a faction as the headliner two years running.

    Batista though? Heís got the resume for it. Heís had what is acknowledged as a retirement match. Heís got good mainstream attraction credibility. Heís got everything they need from a Hall of Fame headline act and heís my prediction.


    10: Two Forum regulars will get promoted to the Main Page.

    I know who I think they will be, but donít want to jinx them by naming them here Ė although both start with the same letter, making it a bit easier to guess. It will be a shame to see them go from the forums and theyíll definitely be missed, but it will be well deserved by both of them should they choose to accept it.



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    Best of luck with your predictions. Not ruin it already, but after reading this I went on twitter and the first tweet I saw was the news that Batista is being inducted into the HOF.

    As for the rest, I doubt we get Rousey again for a few years, she left to go do family stuff and have kids, and based on the fact she has yet to announce a pregnancy, I am doubtful she will be back. maybe a guest appearance somewhere along the lines, but definitely not a ring return.

    I don't like the idea of Corbin winning either of those, but I think a world title is inevitable, he can't win the rumble because the idea of him facing Wyatt or Lesnar is actually nauseating.


    As for the rest, I'm not sure, though I do like the idea of one of the NXT ladies winning. My money is on Shayna vs Becky for WrestleMania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingzak13 View Post
    Best of luck with your predictions. Not ruin it already, but after reading this I went on twitter and the first tweet I saw was the news that Batista is being inducted into the HOF.
    Really?

    Haven't seen it reported anywhere yet and that's a bit early for their normal announcements.

    My twitter is full of porn though, no wrestling content there!


    EDIT: Just been over to the main page, and you're right! Fastest prediction ever? Judging by the linked article on people.com the news came out 9am US time (don't know exactly which timezone), so as I posted this shortly after 9am UK time I think it still counts.

    I see they're doing the NWO as well, so I guess it boils down to which one headlines.
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    From most likely to least!

    10: Two Forum regulars will get promoted to the Main Page.

    Surely this is a given, considering we've got all year! Not sure which two you're speaking of but I haven't thought about it very hard either. We've got some good candidates!

    9: 2020 Hall of Fame Headliner will be Batista

    I mean, he's already guaranteed to at least co-headline, so the only mystery is will the nWo push him into the second spot. I think with his movie career plus being a WWE original, Vince will put him center stage.

    4: A new US Title belt will be unveiled.

    I agree with your rationale, they're sure to WWE-ize that title and it's amazing it's taken this long!

    3: Baron Corbin will win either a main Title or the Royal Rumble this year.

    I mean, they seem to love the guy, so why not? Main title feels more likely to me but who knows, they really might be dumb enough to give him the Rumble!

    6: Ronda Rousey will make a comeback in time for WrestleMania

    I'm not sure if family stuff got put on hold or is going forward, but if they possibly can I think they'll try to trot Rousey out for Mania season. So I guess it depends on Rousey for this one.

    7: The Women’s Royal Rumble will be won by someone from NXT

    This feels like a crapshoot. My gut says they'll try to go with a more known quantity like one of the Horsewomen but I really don't know the lay of the land too well here.

    5: Undertaker will compete in a Retirement Match at Survivor Series.

    This could happen but it's also been predicted every year for what seems like forever. More and more I'm thinking Taker will never have an official retirement match, he'll just keep trotting himself out there until he can't anymore.

    2: AEW ratings will settle at a consistent 0.5 million

    It's early days so it's hard to say for sure, but based on what we've seen so far there seems to be 1.6 to 1.8 million wrestling fans willing to watch on Wednesday. That number could fall but the optimist in me thinks it'll stay roughly steady, and I don't think NXT is going to start scoring over 2/3rds of that total. I admit I'm biased towards AEW but I do think this is too pessimistic, 0.7 to .8 is where I expect to see them stabilize. This is where AEW not relying solely on the brand may go in their favor I think, as anything hot they hit on you know they're going to lean into.

    8: CM Punk will make a full(ish) comeback

    One match? Maybe. I'm skeptical but my jaw wouldn't hit the floor. But going back on the road, even for a short while, or putting himself through multiple matches? I don't see it happening. Guess it might depend on what you mean by full(ish)!

    1: Raw or Smackdown ratings will get consistently over 3 million.

    The last time Raw ratings went up with any kind of meaningful significance is when Cena was hitting his biggest peak as a wrestling star around 2007, and that was a rare and rather small aberration. The ratings have trended downwards for the past 20 years and I don't see them changing. And that's honestly not even anything to do with WWE themselves, I think with rare exceptions all TV ratings will continue to dwindle as TV becomes more and more irrelevant to who people watch both wrestling and all entertainment media. Although this is also where WWE's brand over all works against them, without a new star to hang their hat on it's hard to imagine a ratings spike, and it doesn't seem like they're even looking for one.


    Fun list Dyna, looking forward to seeing what comes true!

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    1. I sincerely hope you are right but I do think it's still fairly high considering where things seem to be at these days. I feel like they will only really ever be over 3 mil now on special episodes.

    2. In this case I think you are a tad more realistic. Seems like things have settled for AEW between 550-800K depending what else is on each night. I do wonder what it will take to draw more people in, just about everything I enjoy about wrestling they do better than WWE but clearly I don't speak for the majority or people simply aren't willing to give it a try.

    3. 100% with you on this. For what its worth I don't think he'll win the rumble but I wouldn't be surprised if he wins at one of the two post-Mania PPVs and holds to Summer Slam.

    4. Agreed again, especially after they redid the IC title.

    5. He's never retiring. He's undead.

    6. I hope she doesn't unless she is committing to another full time run. Except for the creative on the run into Mania when the WWE got scared of the crowd booing her and then letting her go well and truly off script I actually really enjoyed her run.

    7. I would put a lot of money on Charlotte winning it but what fun would these columns be with entirely predictable predictions. Would be awesome if Ripley did it.

    8. He is wrestling at Wrestlemania for sure.

    9. Well I guess you were kinda right and wrong

    10. Can you tell me who is getting sacked from the Main Page as well?

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    Nice to see Dyno is still a regular here. I miss you guys so I'll chime in.

    Two Forum regulars will get promoted to the Main Page.

    I haven't kept up but I'd think at least 2 per year probably get strong consideration. That 2017 class was good even though that Type guy went incognito!

    2020 Hall of Fame Headliner will be Batista[/I]
    I'll take you at face value that you didn't know, but it also seemed kind of obvious.

    A new US Title belt will be unveiled.
    Long overdue. I think it's time to mature from the far too obvious US flag template and move to something modern.


    3: Baron Corbin will win either a main Title or the Royal Rumble this year.

    I can see a run with a midcard title but no way he wins a world championship. Too many mouths to feed.

    6: Ronda Rousey will make a comeback in time for WrestleMania

    It's possible but not necessary.

    7: The Women’s Royal Rumble will be won by someone from NXT

    Baezler seems like an obvious choice, especially with the emphasis on improving NXT.

    5: Undertaker will compete in a Retirement Match at Survivor Series.

    I think they still believe there's money with him and will use him sparingly.

    2: AEW ratings will settle at a consistent 0.5 million

    I think they have what it takes to stay in the 750,000-900,000 range consistently. We'll see what happens if/when they steal an established WWE talent. We still really haven't seen someone jump ship yet as the wars are in progress.

    8: CM Punk will make a full(ish) comeback

    Money talks. This will happen. But him ever going back on a semi regular basis as a wrestler is a pipe(bomb) dream.

    1: Raw or Smackdown ratings will get consistently over 3 million.

    Oddly enough, I can actually see Smackdown getting there consistently before RAW does. I think the move to FOX has helped Smackdown, but overall interest in wrestling is dipping and I don't see either brand hitting 3 million other than for stacked or nostalgic shows.

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    Type!
    What a nice surprise.
    Hope you're well mate.

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    1. I just can't see that happening. Wrestling is popular as it once was and I don't think Vince will do anything drastic to get new fans in. He maybe doesn't have that creativity anymore. I'd say 2.5 million is the more likely number.

    2. Not too sure about this. What you're saying makes sense and it would certainly be in the realm of possibility for them to clock in at 0.5 every week. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

    3. Oh hell no.

    4. Like you said, it often gets overlooked so I don't see this happening.

    5. Yes, you're right, it is way overdue. I agree that it would be good to go full circle and have his send-off at Survivor Series. I'd also tolerate one more 'Mania match if 'Taker retires next year.

    6. I haven't read any updates on how far along she is with her family planning so the only way this would be possible if that hasn't taken off yet.

    7. I concur. With the hype on the NXT women someone is getting promoted very soon. And what better way for a promotion than a Rumble win?

    8. So this is a tricky one. I do want Punk to return, but if he returns as a part-timer that would make him the ultimate hypocrite. It's either he returns full time or for just one match or not at all.

    9. Firstly, I'd say Kane is a headliner for the HOF. Nevertheless, Batista has got that spot next year and of course he is more than worthy. You got your prediction right before 2020 even started!

    10. Good luck to whomever gets promoted

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    As Type has made his quarterly appearance here in the Columns Forum, I guess itís time to do some feedback. Iím going to go topic by topic and pick out a few salient points rather than the normal person by person, so if you donít get a specific mention below Iíll start with a general thanks for reading.


    1: Raw or Smackdown ratings will get consistently over 3 million.

    Type gets the prize here for noticing I included Smackdown in this. When you look at itís ratings prior to the channel change, they were struggling to stay above 2 million. Now theyíre on Fox, a typical rating is around 2.5 million. That change of channel has helped them, and thatís where I see the most growth happening. Itís also traditionally the show Vince has had less interest in, so has often been the better show albeit one that gets overlooked a lot of the time.

    2: AEW ratings will settle at a consistent 0.5 million

    But Type loses points for commenting that we havenít seen a major star jump ship. SPOILER ALERT: None of the big names are leaving WWE. And like I said in the original column, nobody in WWE has a name big enough to bring fans with them. If AEW ends up pushing a bunch of failed WWE mid-carders as main eventers (which arguably they are already doing) they become the joke that TNA were a few years ago.

    3: Baron Corbin will win either a main Title or the Royal Rumble this year.

    I kind of like SirSamís suggestion here, of a brief 1-2 month run building to Summerslam. Itís always a quiet time of year for WWE generally, and as they obviously want to push him thatís the best time to try him out.

    4: A new US Title belt will be unveiled.

    It seems most are in agreement that itís overdue, but I suspect Don has picked up on the main flaw in this prediction.

    Whatever happens, the Fact or Fiction we did on this some time ago can't be 100% Fact now the IC belt has already been redesigned, but I can hold out hope for the US belt.



    5: Undertaker will compete in a Retirement Match at Survivor Series.

    The thing with Taker is he doesnít have to go through a whole match, he would be just as valuable making short cameo appearances, maybe even managing the next generation character (which as The Demon Finn Balor is only occasional, he would only be needed to build for those matches). The main thing with Taker these days is his elaborate entrance. The match is secondary, so get him in a situation where he doesnít have to do the match, but we still get the entrance.

    6: Ronda Rousey will make a comeback in time for WrestleMania

    I totally agree that Typeís reply sums up this prediction:
    Quote Originally Posted by typeitinmaan View Post
    It's possible but not necessary.
    And thatís why itíll happen. OK, so itís been less of an issue in recent years, but Mania is always a safe bet to have some part timer or another involved. Vince thinks his main roster isnít good enough to sell the event without outside help, and thatís where Rousey will come in.

    But I have no idea where she stands with the getting pregnant thing. Nothing has been announced yet though, so I'm assuming her man isn't up to the job.


    7: The Womenís Royal Rumble will be won by someone from NXT

    This one seems to have split you, with Zak, Don & Type seeming to agree, whereas Miz & Sam are going with the safe option.

    8: CM Punk will make a full(ish) comeback

    This is my favourite quote for the Punk prediction:
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Franc View Post
    if he returns as a part-timer that would make him the ultimate hypocrite.
    If heís given just an ounce of creative freedom, can you imagine how great he would be at making this his gimmick?

    9: 2020 Hall of Fame Headliner

    I honestly didnít think theyíd do headlining Factions two years running, which is why I did this prediction Ė so much had been rumoured about the NWO I predicted against the rumours. Now we know both are happening, you have to wonder which will go last. As Miz said, this one depends on whether or not Vince puts the WWE created movie star before the ego of Hulk Hogan.

    Just remember how big that ego of Hoganís is, vs how humble Dave Bautista can be about his career.

    And always remember that the headliner gets the big entry on to the stage the following night. Hogan is going to want that as well, so unless they give him the match he wants (that nobody wants to see) and gets his big entrance out of the way early, Hogan is getting the Hall of Fame Headline slot and I get this prediction wrong.

    10: Two Forum regulars will get promoted to the Main Page.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirSam View Post
    10. Can you tell me who is getting sacked from the Main Page as well?
    Does anyone have to? I remember a few years ago there was one or two columns a day posted up there. Now thereís barely one or two a week. Nobody needs to get fired to makes space up there.

    Also, I donít know who decides these things or makes up the rules, but I reckon it would be a good idea to review the ďMain Pager canít write in the forumsĒ rule. The way I see it, instead of promoting a writer, you could promote a series, making that series a main page staple but still allowing the writer to post other stuff here. Itís not like this place is overrun with content either.

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    If AEW ends up pushing a bunch of failed WWE mid-carders as main eventers (which arguably they are already doing)
    I'm not so sure about this one.

    There are seven guys from the WWE that are involved, three are AEW main eventers in, Chris Jericho who has been a big name in the industry since the mid 90s, Jon Moxley who in the WWE was one of the three or four biggest names in his generation, and Cody who has been outside of the WWE since 2016 and has long since reinvented himself.

    Outside the main event scene there is Dustin Rhodes of course but he is more a support character and while he was a midcarder in the WWE you would hardly call someone who had the career he did failed.

    PAC is an interesting case because while he never had a big main roster run in the WWE he was universally acclaimed for his work as NXT and Cruiserweight Champ and then left for creative reasons so I'm not sure you could call him a 'failed midcarder'. He was never a main eventer but when he left most seemed to agree he had earnt a chance to prove himself on the main roster.

    Beyond those are Sean Spears who is being used as a midcarder and Jake Hager who is used as a muscle. They are probably the only two you could say are 'failed midcarders' and neither are what you would call cornerstones.

    There are lots of cirticisim you can level at AEW and things that are holding them back but I don't think this is one of them yet.

    To your point about stars though I honestly think there are only five or six wrestlers they could get that would make a big difference simply with their star power. First two that I would say are your tippy top guys are John Cena or The Rock and you are 100% right that there is zero chance Vince let's them go. They would have to go for creative reasons and given where their careers have taken them I don't think either man lacks creative freedom in their lives.

    Brock or Goldberg may give a very short lived injection but due to their styles would very quickly get to the point of diminishing returns and also risk disenfranchising their core fan base who they certainly can't afford to lose.

    That leaves two names, Daniel Bryan who I just don't think he is leaving the WWE. He had the chance last year and would have been sounded out for this and chose not to go.

    Lastly is CM Punk who said no to AEW and has now signed with Fox. According to him he doesn't want to wrestle any more and even if he is working us everything he has said would indicate if he came back he would only want to wrestle part time anyway which for better or worse suits WWE's existing strucutres but not AEW. Even if he doesn't wrestle in the WWE, his contract with Fox means he won't be appearing on TNT any time soon.

    Beyond those names there just aren't that many 'box office draws' left in wrestling. Are there any other guys you can think of that arent retired and would move the needle?
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    Nice bit of analysis Sam, lets take them one at a time...

    Jericho: Possibly AEW's best acquisition....if he was to stick around. Trouble is, he's not getting any younger and sooner or later his other projects will take priority. If his WWE reputation and non-wrestling career attracts new eyes to AEW, he's done his job.

    Moxley: Never really succeeded as a main eventer in WWE, they seemed to treat him more as an upper mid-carder. Maybe they can use him better than WWE did, but he's not about to bring many casual fans to the product.

    Cody: This is the interesting one to me. You say he reinvented himself on the indies, but does the casual fan know that? No, of course they don't - but they certainly do know he's in charge of the new company. The casual fan will only see a failed WWE midcarder suddenly putting himself in the main event of his own company and assuming he has an over-inflated sense of worth.

    PAC: Totally agree. The shows he was featured on in WWE he was the main man. Unfortunately, those shows weren't exactly mainstream viewing. He's a good addition to AEW, their hardcore fans will certainly appreciate him in the role he has, but he's a nobody to the casual fan.

    Dustin, Spears, Hager: I agree, so far AEW haven't pushed them to the main event. Although both Spears & Dustin have both had highly promoted matches against Cody, so although they weren't for championships they were certainly used as an attraction to sell the event. That shouts potential main event to me. And as is always the case, it's only a matter of time before someone in Jericho's Inner Circle turns on him - surely Hager is a prime candidate?


    As for the guys you mention who maybe could draw people to AEW, like I said and like you said, non of them are leaving WWE any time soon.

    And there is absolutely nobody else who could draw attention to AEW. This isn't the 90s, and Hulkamania isn't running wild still - it's arguable that Hulk going to WCW is the only time someone jumping ship was the catalyst for a huge change. Sure, some of the guys who did it subsequently during the Attitude Era made a bit of a splash, but I don't think anyone else in the history of the business has drawn so many viewers from outside the wrestling world to the product. To this day, when people find out I'm into wrestling Hogan is still the only name most non-fans know.

    They've never even heard of Cena or Austin most of the time. OK, they've heard of the Rock, but they associate him more with the movies - Hogan became a household name and was primarily associated with Wrestling. Even the Olympic hero Kurt Angle in his prime couldn't get people to watch TNA...

    And that is where I go back to the point I made in the prediction - Vince's philosophy of making the brand the star may not draw in huge amounts of new fans, but it most definitely does stunt the growth of any potential competition.


    Bulldog's Bottom Line
    The guy that could jump ship and bring viewers to the competition does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynamiteBillington View Post
    Bulldog's Bottom Line
    The guy that could jump ship and bring viewers to the competition does not exist.
    Devil's Advocate suggestion:

    John Cena could be the guy. Of course it would depend on his booking, as they obviously cannot recreate an nWo angle, but if AEW was somehow able to snatch Cena, that is exactly what they would do.

    Or even Bray Wyatt right now. He loses the WWE SD Title and then jumps ship to either lead the Dark Order or feud with the Dark order.

    Hell even if Cody and Khan wanted to throw a shitton of money at the Rock to come back full time would/could make a huge impact.

    There are guys that could, but it would never happen.
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    Tony Khan does not have enough money to make the Rock screw over WWE.

    None of the other guys would move the needle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DynamiteBillington View Post
    Tony Khan does not have enough money to make the Rock screw over WWE.

    None of the other guys would move the needle.
    I agree, but it was a Devil's Advocate statement. He could move the needle, but would never happen.


    But John Cena could also move that needle. Again it would never happen, but he could.

    Also Lesnar would move the needle.

    But basically any 'big WWE star' coming from the WWE to AEW would move the needle for a few weeks, but how AEW handles the jump is what would determine if the needle stays moved.

    Orton teased an AEW jump, and if he did....people would absolutely tune into AEW to watch.
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    SPOILER ALERT: None of the big names are leaving WWE.
    Pretty sure I remember you proclaiming very staunchly that Ambrose would never leave as well! You can debate if Moxley is a "big name" or not, or even whether WWE has produced any truly big names in the past +10 years who could jump ship, but surprises do exist, and I hope we get some exciting jumps from both sides in good time.

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    I still believe that the Revival will be the first to jump as they are really the only 'major' contract up in 2020 (April 2020) now that Orton and the New Day re-signed.

    There is Mandy Rose late in 2020 and Matt and Jeff Hardy in March 2020, but none of those three will make any blip in the ratings for AEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    Pretty sure I remember you proclaiming very staunchly that Ambrose would never leave as well! You can debate if Moxley is a "big name" or not, or even whether WWE has produced any truly big names in the past +10 years who could jump ship, but surprises do exist, and I hope we get some exciting jumps from both sides in good time.
    I don't think I said "never" - although without going back to check I couldn't say for sure. That was in the Fact or Fiction thread where I did the 'live' topic about him leaving being a work wasn't it? Think I even admitted at the time I did it like that because I didn't have time between that video he posted and the much-hyped AEW PPV to actually write it as a Bull From The Bulldog column, so don't take that one too seriously!

    This time around though, none of the big names are leaving the WWE because Vince won't let them. He'd rather pay someone to sit at home than have them show up on AEW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    I still believe that the Revival will be the first to jump as they are really the only 'major' contract up in 2020 (April 2020) now that Orton and the New Day re-signed.

    There is Mandy Rose late in 2020 and Matt and Jeff Hardy in March 2020, but none of those three will make any blip in the ratings for AEW.
    But you think The Revival would make any difference? I don't think I'd even consider them a major contract at this stage in their career.

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    To steal a phrase from finance 'past performance doesn't indicate future performance'.

    What I mean by that is you never know who going across could blow up. I don't think anyone who saw Steve Austin leave WCW thought he was going to become the biggest star the business has ever had but within a few years he did.

    In terms of immediate impact you are right that the people we listed are the ones who could but doesn't mean someone like Tyr Dillinger isn't going to become something very special.

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    Good column.

    I don't think Taker will have another official last match. No one would take the retirement seriously after he wrestled several times since the last one.

    I think Bray Wyatt will be in the Smackdown WM main event, and Lesnar in the Raw main event. Both are heels and I don't think either will be turned face by then. At least Wyatt won't be. I don't think Corbin or Drew will turn face either, and I don't see a heel/heel WM main event.

    I agree on someone from NXT winning the Women's Royal Rumble. They already let Shayna win the main event of Survivor Series, so this is a serious possibility.

    Let's see how your predictions for next year turn out. Let's see if you have 20 20 vision.

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    Thanks for the read Bossman - just one thought:

    Quote Originally Posted by RIPbossman View Post
    I don't think Taker will have another official last match. No one would take the retirement seriously after he wrestled several times since the last one.
    He's never had anything that was recognised as an official Retirement Match. People just assumed he was retired after the send off he had when Roman beat him at Mania, but retirement wasn't a stipulation of that match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSam View Post
    To steal a phrase from finance 'past performance doesn't indicate future performance'.

    What I mean by that is you never know who going across could blow up. I don't think anyone who saw Steve Austin leave WCW thought he was going to become the biggest star the business has ever had but within a few years he did.

    In terms of immediate impact you are right that the people we listed are the ones who could but doesn't mean someone like Tyr Dillinger isn't going to become something very special.
    Despite previous posts, I do totally agree with this. Most of the discussion so far has been more focused on an immediate impact - the guys who have that potential are the ones who Vince won't let go. Guys like Tye Dillinger though? He totally could be the next Stunning Steve Austin - you never know what could happen in the future with that sort of scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DynamiteBillington View Post
    But you think The Revival would make any difference? I don't think I'd even consider them a major contract at this stage in their career.
    It doesnít really matter if they make a difference. They could/would be the first to jump, which would then truly open the door for others.

    And the past performance thing...

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