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    YES! YES! YES! It's the Daniel Bryan thread

    I figured that since I am doing a huge series on Daniel Bryan I should start a thread for him down here.

    He is the guy that brought me back to wrestling in 2014 and for that story alone he will always rank amongst my favourites however I'm discovering a whole lot of little gems as I go through my YES Relived series and learning a whole lot about Bryan.

    One thing he absolutely does not get enough credit for is his acting chops, we all know how good he is in the ring but the way he conveys emotion and character is one of the things I think makes him so engaging. Have a look at how his body language speaks volumes as he walks to the ring in this little gif, showing a great mix of anger, determination and adrenaline, what he is doing could be incredibly corny but comes off very realistically:



    Or a second one here where he is just pissed off at Steph, his body language is closed off and conveys his anger very effectively, obviously this is the peak of it all when it spills out and I wish I had more of this segment cut off because it is a real great master class in showing frustration without overdoing it:



    Anyway I'll try not to take over this thread with gifs from my series but wanted to kick us off with something. So let me know what are your fondest memories of Bryan and why do you love him?

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    What may be overlokked in your first gif is that Bryan takes out 2/3 of the Shield in one shot.

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    Convincing argument there Sam. I'm not sure I agree he's a great actor though. To me he seems to have a range of two emotions - deliriously happy and face-crumplingly angry. But I'm not giving him the painstaking treatment you are, so I could be way off!

    It's just, certainly since his return to the ring, I feel like we're seeing just how unique a collision of talent, timeliness and happenstance his first run really was. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill, but it really shocked me that there was an audible generational divide in the crowd during his match with Rusev this last week - and it was the deeper voiced adult fans chanting for Rusev, not Bryan. Granted his comebacks got the whole crowd onside, but that kind of split, and that momentary desertion of the older generation of fans, would have been unthinkable four years ago quite honestly.

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    @Powder of they get there own back, with The Shield back then it was a three headed monster that grew its heads back very quickly if you didn't get all three. Post this gif Bryan I'd about to walk into a huge spear.

    @Plan, you're not too far off the money, however there is also smirky Bryan who makes an appearance in the most recent column, he can be quick sarcastic. With the happiness and anger he has a few levels but the key is he does term so believably.

    Thsy is an interesting observstion about the fan divide, I suspect it was a unique thing because Russev is the hottest of all commodities right now in the IWC but it shows that perhaps Bryan isnt the focal point of fan hype he once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel 'Plan View Post
    Convincing argument there Sam. I'm not sure I agree he's a great actor though. To me he seems to have a range of two emotions - deliriously happy and face-crumplingly angry.
    Let's be honest, being able to convincingly convey two different emotions makes you a great actor by wrestling standards.

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    Wow, Bryan almost had a ruthless Stone Cold vibe to him on Smackdown last night, the way he just kept on attacking Big Cass over and over again, even skirting around the refs to get to him. He was particularly aggressive with the knee that we all know was injured.

    I like it, certainly not a vanilla good guy that is for sure.

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    I hate Daniel Bryan. He's my least favourite, most overexposed wrestler of all time. I find him unnatural on the mic, boring and repetitive in the ring (though acknowledge WWE has played a part in this) and as a babyface underdog he makes Rey Mysterio's storylines look positively innovative. I've written columns and columns about how he has no place in the main event and that's even more the case now he's returned. A man with a family, with his history, should not be taking the bumps and hits he's taking or risking his life after doctor's advice was overturned. I actually find it really selfish. I don't enjoy watching him. I wish he'd get off my screen and raise his family, rather than relive the same underdog story again and afuckinggain, with the occasional twist that he's a little bit angry.

    Before his injury, I preferred him as a heel and found him entertaining in Team Hell No. That's it. Since his injury, I just spend my time worrying about his health and hating his guts.

    Fuck Daniel Bryan.

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    I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you about some of the things you have said there Nony. I'm watching a lot of Bryan stuff right now and he is no more repetitive than any WWE wrestler in terms of his signature moves and even as an underdog he just doesn't wrestle the same match over and over again. Take the most recent string I've seen. At Summer Slam 2013 he actually takes most of the offence in the match with Cena, wearing Cena down then surviving and eventually countering Cena's offence. The next match he has is against Wade Barrett in a cage which takes on a much more standard big man v small man formula but the next week on Raw, switches it up again, having a real back and forth, see sawing match against Seth Rollins.

    It is too early to judge what his current run will be like but so far it hasn't been too samey, although the proof of that will come when he actually has a series against someone instead of a one off.

    I can't say I don't share your concern about him injuring himself however I guess I have to trust in the doctors and the minor adjustments he has made to his in ring style show he is at least attempting to take things easier on himself (no suicide dives, landing on his feet after the corner drop kicks, no flying headbutt).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSam View Post
    Wow, Bryan almost had a ruthless Stone Cold vibe to him on Smackdown last night, the way he just kept on attacking Big Cass over and over again, even skirting around the refs to get to him. He was particularly aggressive with the knee that we all know was injured.

    I like it, certainly not a vanilla good guy that is for sure.
    Exactly. Bryan needs that mean streak. This showed exactly why Bailey failed last year in the feud with Bliss, b/c Bailey didn't have the mean streak or get payback on Bliss.

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    Nony's takes on Bryan are so out there that they don't even look like English to me, haha. As usual, we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Definitely dig the idea of Bryan taking the fight to a guy like Cass. Getting away from being the underdog in every story is a good thing in my book, Bryan is capable of being seriously vicious in the ring and tapping back into that is something I can appreciate.

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    Yeah I like that he slapped on a heel hook instead of just the normal Yes Lock, it is only a small thing in a throw away segment but it shows attention to detail.

    And absolutely Bryan is capable of some really brutal stuff. Those matches with Nigel McGuiness get nasty.
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    I could never stand him and now even less than before. His breakthrough caused me to take a sabbatical from the WWE . At least now there’s a brand split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    Nony's takes on Bryan are so out there that they don't even look like English to me, haha. As usual, we'll have to agree to disagree..
    Going to have to second this bit of your post, Mizfan!

    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    I hate Daniel Bryan. He's my least favourite, most overexposed wrestler of all time. I find him unnatural on the mic, boring and repetitive in the ring (though acknowledge WWE has played a part in this) and as a babyface underdog he makes Rey Mysterio's storylines look positively innovative. I've written columns and columns about how he has no place in the main event and that's even more the case now he's returned. A man with a family, with his history, should not be taking the bumps and hits he's taking or risking his life after doctor's advice was overturned. I actually find it really selfish. I don't enjoy watching him. I wish he'd get off my screen and raise his family, rather than relive the same underdog story again and afuckinggain, with the occasional twist that he's a little bit angry.

    Before his injury, I preferred him as a heel and found him entertaining in Team Hell No. That's it. Since his injury, I just spend my time worrying about his health and hating his guts.

    Fuck Daniel Bryan.
    I'm going to have to echo the other people in the thread in that your views are just so out of the norm. I mean if you don't like him, that's your right, but I will take issue with the concern-trolling on your part about Bryan's health, which is just mistaken or disingenuous to say the least. He has gone through more testing and recovery than possibly anyone in wrestling history ever, with state of the art medical technology, treatments, and the expert opinion of virtually every renown person in the field in the country. He had said clearly beforehand that if they told him that it was dangerous, he would accept that and stay retired for the sake of the family. Guess what? He went and they said he was perfectly fine to wrestle. After he went to rehab, not a single doctor in the last year refused to clear him; they all gave him the okay. In other words, zero doctors out there think Bryan shouldn't be wrestling. It was on the strength of this 'streak' if you will, that he finally went to Dr. Maroon and asked what more he needed to do, and Maroon referred Bryan to the best expert on the topic (in Maroon's estimation), and told Bryan that if this guy clears you, I'll clear you because I have total confidence in his ability and expertise. That expert cleared Bryan, so Maroon followed suit and cleared him as well. So that's that. He's in no more danger than anyone else on the roster, and if you're really so concerned about wrestlers' health, there's half a dozen other guys whom you should be more concerned about, such as Cena, Angle, Taker, and so on.

    The 'I'm just so worried about Bryan' nonsense needs to die. It has no more medical or scientific basis to it anymore (unlike 2016).

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    Also, on Jericho's podcast, Bryan stated he's checked for a concussion after EVERY match he's in now and they talked about what to do if he gets another concussion etc. Which is also why I think Bryan will be signing a new deal with WWE because he came up with these safety plans himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LK3185 View Post
    Also, on Jericho's podcast, Bryan stated he's checked for a concussion after EVERY match he's in now and they talked about what to do if he gets another concussion etc. Which is also why I think Bryan will be signing a new deal with WWE because he came up with these safety plans himself.
    That's the other hypocritical part of this (on the part of WWE at least). They have plenty of wrestlers working for them who have had multiple concussions (as is probably routine for long-time wrestlers). If any of those wrestlers were subjected to even some of the testing that Bryan has had to go through, I have no doubt that they would uncover similarly concerning things in their brain scans. Yet that hasn't happened, because they don't just scan everyone who gets concussions, even repeat sufferers, so all these people are able to stay off the radar and continue wrestling. Bryan only got flagged by the system because he told Maroon or someone that he had seizures after one of his concussions. Your Randy Ortons, Undertakers, Kurt Angles... who knows how many concussions and other injuries these people have accumulated over the years, and what sort of underlying and undetected damage there is.

    Bryan is possibly the most protected and looked-after guy in WWE history. There's plenty of other guys under the radar that don't have 1/100th the protections they've installed to keep Bryan safe. With Bryan, the first sign that something is off, and they would probably permanently forcefully retire him again. Not so much with other guys. If your concern is wrestlers' safety, I would start from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I'm going to have to echo the other people in the thread in that your views are just so out of the norm. I mean if you don't like him, that's your right, but I will take issue with the concern-trolling on your part about Bryan's health, which is just mistaken or disingenuous to say the least. He has gone through more testing and recovery than possibly anyone in wrestling history ever, with state of the art medical technology, treatments, and the expert opinion of virtually every renown person in the field in the country. He had said clearly beforehand that if they told him that it was dangerous, he would accept that and stay retired for the sake of the family. Guess what? He went and they said he was perfectly fine to wrestle. After he went to rehab, not a single doctor in the last year refused to clear him; they all gave him the okay. In other words, zero doctors out there think Bryan shouldn't be wrestling. It was on the strength of this 'streak' if you will, that he finally went to Dr. Maroon and asked what more he needed to do, and Maroon referred Bryan to the best expert on the topic (in Maroon's estimation), and told Bryan that if this guy clears you, I'll clear you because I have total confidence in his ability and expertise. That expert cleared Bryan, so Maroon followed suit and cleared him as well. So that's that. He's in no more danger than anyone else on the roster, and if you're really so concerned about wrestlers' health, there's half a dozen other guys whom you should be more concerned about, such as Cena, Angle, Taker, and so on.

    The 'I'm just so worried about Bryan' nonsense needs to die. It has no more medical or scientific basis to it anymore (unlike 2016).


    Thank you for saying all the things I was too lazy to re-research and articulate.

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    Just thought I'd put this here, part of my most recent YES Relived but it reminded me a lot of his tenaciousness against Cass on Smackdown. Never let a big guy up.


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    Bryan is by far the versatile worker in WWE. I've seen him work matches in an array of different styles, and he often incorporates things he's seen other people do on the Indies or other places into his matches as a little nod. He's far less formulaic than all the homegrown WWE main eventers such as Reigns, who work the same finisher-spam-kickout pattern every single night.

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    Just saw back to back a hurricane of a match with Rollins and just an old school style classic with Ambrose as part of YES Relived. I cannot wait for Bryan to go up against these two again, he worked so well with both of them in very different matches (to add to your point about versatility Alan).

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    I absolutely love that Big Show gif. That is part of the reason I love Bryan so much, that's exactly the kind of strategy and psychology you would need to use against a guy like Show if you were as small as Bryan. He's always, always thinking, and I love it.

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    Hey is a Honey Badger.

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    Yes! I really dig when he gets in there and starts smothering a guy, either with holds or constant attacks. Most of his WWE run has been as a babyface but you can still see some hints of the big heel American Dragon we saw over the years at times on the indy scene. I remember his match with Sheamus (the proper one, not the squash) was a great example, he just ate up Sheamus for a lot of the match and it was brilliant. I don't think he has to be a heel to make it work either, there's something so damn tenacious about his style that it can work in almost any situation. I prefer it to him eating a ton of offense and making a comeback, the "ultimate underdog" thing makes sense to a point but it sometimes limits what he can do I think.

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    It is actually what he did against Cena at Summer Slam 2013 too.I'd say he comfortably got in about 65-75% of the offence and throughout the match worked out counters to Cena's big moves until the final sequences where he just countered everything.

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    Ah, what a great match. I remember Cena has that weird elbow thing going on at the time and Bryan was able to capitalize on that.

    So I'm a bit out of the loop, sounds like the Cass stuff is done so what's next for Bryan?

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    He's wrestling Joe on SD and if he's in the MITB match i assume Miz screws him

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    It's murky. There are apparently reports coming out that WWE is unsure of how much to commit to Bryan because, as of now, he still hasn't re-signed with them. I don't know how true the former part is (the latter is true; Bryan hasn't signed and probably will not until close to when his deal is up) but it does make what he's doing in the immediate future interesting to watch.

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    I think if Bryan is leaving, best course of action is have Cass cause him to lose against Joe. Then the next PPV, Bryan can either beat Cass to end the feud or win a number one contender's match to face Nakamura.. Meanwhile, Miz has the case, maybe you could do a Miz/Bryan match early, then at Summerslam, You can either have Bryan beat Nak and have Miz cash in if Bryan is leaving.... Or you can just have Nak beat Bryan...somewhat clean.

    Always believe in the guy on the way out doing the job. Plus, it wouldn't hurt Bryan's standing at all. He'd still get booked everywhere..

    listening to E&C pod with Bryan though.. its hard for me to believe that Bryan would leave considering all the safety measures he's taken.

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    I thought Cass was pretty much out of the picture? Or was that a work?

    I do think Bryan will probably resign, but I won't count out that he might not. There's a lot he wants to do out there. That CMLL run, for one thing!

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    There's a rumor that Cass will be able to return sooner than originally thought. Mind, i wouldn't go back to Big Cass/Bryan but i could see them doing one more match at Extreme Rules.. then set up Bryan's Summerslam match regardless of his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    I do think Bryan will probably resign, but I won't count out that he might not. There's a lot he wants to do out there. That CMLL run, for one thing!
    That's one of the keys I think. There would only be two reasons for Bryan to have no re-signed with WWE by now, which I think most of us expected would happen once he got cleared.

    1). Leverage. Bryan is a smart guy; not only does he know that holding out on a new deal will get him more money but importantly it prevents him from getting locked down, then getting hurt and having to go through what he just did all over again. It's best to keep his options open just in case he suffers a concussion and WWE immediately chooses to deactivate him again.

    2). There's legit other stuff he wants to do that can only happen outside of WWE. The CMLL thing mizfan brought up is something Bryan wanted to do before he retired the first time; that and working a high profile match at Wrestle Kingdom are the only two things he hasn't accomplished on his bucket list. You can't do that tied down to WWE. I wouldn't doubt that's a bigger deal than many think for him, not to mention that Chris Jericho has proven you can go work elsewhere and still have the door open for you in WWE if you're a big enough star. Bryan is.

    What will he do? I don't know. My gut feeling is that he stays with WWE simply because it's where he already is and they're allowing him to wrestle, but the fact that WWE is quickly blowing through the matches everyone wanted Bryan to have (he's already worked Zayn, Owens, AJ and will tonight wrestle Samoa Joe, with the Miz and Nakamura matches not far behind) and the fact that Bryan isn't a guy who cares about money does make me wonder. Either way I hope for his sake he plays this right to the end. The longer he goes without signing anything, the better the position he'll find himself in.

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    I use to think this about Kurt Angle, and I think this way of Daniel Bryan now, Bryan is a special talent that WWE has that they need to handle just right, and let him travel the world. If I was WWE, I'd resign him, and come to the agreement that they'd loan him out to NJPW and CMLL. (I can see CMLL, because they seem to be friendly with then, I don't think NJPW, but for that they can swallow their pride.) With Bryan, he's a different type of talent that can be used to travel the world and you have to keep him happy. In the mid-2000's, I seriously thought Angle was being wasted in just WWE, as he should tour Japan, Europe, and be used around the world to promote WWE's brand and show they do have serious talent. Bryan is the exact same. He can be like Jericho, but they can keep him under contract and let him do his thing. I know Vince has his ways, but talent like that only comes along so often, and to just be in WWE is wasting that talent.

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    When you have guys like Brock Lesnar getting the kind of money he's getting, Jericho basically doing whatever he wants with his band, wrestling etc.. and the fact that they have Ronda under contract and they got a massive Tv deal for Smackdown.. i don't see why the big stars can't have really favorable deals..The way WWE has built themselves as a brand, the workers have to take control of their careers and not let the brand control them.

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    Wow, I really hope we can have our cake and eat it too and get Bryan in both WWE & the indys although I feel like if he was going to go elsewhere it would put a ceiling on him wrestling with the WWE.

    I can see why he wouldn't resign. He has been to the mountain top in the WWE, there are tons of awesome matches in the company but there are tons of matches waiting outside as well. I've recently been reading his book and it is clear from that (even amongst the WWE sanitised truths) that the guy is driven by the craft and wrestling 10 minute matches with Big Cass is not going to keep him motivated.
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    Meltzer speculated months ago that Bryan wouldn't leave if they cleared him to wrestle, and he truly is grateful to them for taking care of him. He was never an egotistical guy, and just loves wrestling for its own sake. I think he would be happy wrestling even as a mid-carder for WWE, just so long as he gets to wrestle, sad to say. He's not like other guys who would walk out of the company over being misbooked and mishandled and not being treated in accordance with their star power and abilities, unfortunately.

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    I mean, they let Chris Hero go wrestle in PROGRESS for Super Strong Style 16. I could see them giving Bryan a few special dispensations, especially if it were somewhere like CMLL that doesn't directly oppose WWE. I hope Bryan holds out for a clause in his contract just like that.

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    Rumors are circulating that Bryan is being kept out of the MITB match for safety precautions. The WWE wants to keep Bryan out of more highly dangerous matches, like multiman ladder matches.

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    Yeah I don't believe that.

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    It's fine with me if true though. Bryan doesn't really need the prop of the ladder to get any of his matches over, and if there's extra risk of wear and tear then why bother?

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    I’m glad to hear this. Bryan doesn’t need that match and it’s for the sake of his future. No one moaned when Austin couldn’t take part in crazy matches anymore.

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