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    DCEU - DC comics TV and Movies (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman Etc)

    I don't know if this will get as much traffic in here as Marvel, but I imagine it'll still do reasonably well. For all their successes I'm not sure any individual character is as popular as Batman.

    But anyway, Gotham has been renewed for another (and supposedly final) series.

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    Gotham was significantly better this season, and then they went and screwed it up. Jerome Valeska was an amazing "Joker", then they killed him off for his twin brother. Stupid. But maybe we will finally get to see some Batmanning next season.


    But to answer your question. I think that Batman may be the most popular comic book character of all time, followed by Spiderman, then Superman.

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    It was really more of a statement than a question....

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    Really loved Wonder Woman, but aside from that I haven't really enjoyed much of anything from DC since The Dark Knight. Haven't really watched any of the TV though.

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    To be fair, the Extended Edition of B v S is not bad, it fixes a lot of the plot holes and makes more sense.

    Suicide Squad and Justice League are not as bad as most people say they are. They are clearly not the Marvel movies, but they aren't horrible. Plus they gave us the best Batman scene ever, the warehouse scene in BvS where Batman takes on 15 or so henchmen and kicks ass.


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    Love that scene, Powder!

    I don't care what anyone says, Batman v Superman (particularly the Ultimate Edition) was a good movie. I really don't understand the vehement rejection of that film.

    Justice League could've been a lot better, but it was a fun way to spend 2 hours.

    Anyone looking forward to Aquaman?

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    I am. In Justice League, surprisingly, Aquaman was the best character, when on the cartoon, and in the comics, he was the worst.

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    Geoff John's Aquaman is the best Aquaman

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    I still cannot bring myself to read Aquaman. But I liked Mamoa's take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    To be fair, the Extended Edition of B v S is not bad, it fixes a lot of the plot holes and makes more sense.

    Suicide Squad and Justice League are not as bad as most people say they are. They are clearly not the Marvel movies, but they aren't horrible. Plus they gave us the best Batman scene ever, the warehouse scene in BvS where Batman takes on 15 or so henchmen and kicks ass.

    I agree with all that. I tried preaching that scene to my IRL friend on why Afleck was actually better than Bale... but I was met with a blank stare.

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    I know. When Affleck was first announced that he was taking up the Mantle, I was pissed and shocked. Then once reports started coming out that he was taking the role seriously, and wanted to everything in his power to redeem himself for the Daredevil debacle, and I know for a fact that he is a comic fan, and all Affleck wanted was to do Batman proud, my stance was shifted.

    Then when we saw him in BvS he was really good. He was a truer Batman than Bale. Bale had all around better movies, but Affleck was a better Batman. The Batman scenes in Suicide Squad were also really good.

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    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    Adam West was my first intro to Batman, and he will always be batman, but the show was....terrible. There I said it. But it was fun as a kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    I know. When Affleck was first announced that he was taking up the Mantle, I was pissed and shocked. Then once reports started coming out that he was taking the role seriously, and wanted to everything in his power to redeem himself for the Daredevil debacle, and I know for a fact that he is a comic fan, and all Affleck wanted was to do Batman proud, my stance was shifted.

    Then when we saw him in BvS he was really good. He was a truer Batman than Bale. Bale had all around better movies, but Affleck was a better Batman. The Batman scenes in Suicide Squad were also really good.
    I liken it to when Heath Ledger was announced as Joker and message boards were rioting. And then TDK came out and people were like “Oh... wow.”

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    I know I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to say that I adored BvS from the very first time I saw it in the cinema. As a very general rule, I'm a much bigger (casual) fan of the DC stuff than I am the Marvel stuff, because it feels like their characters are more akin to modern mythologies than cartoonish heroes, and I thought BvS was a very interesting interpretation of those. I also thought it got horribly unfair treatment because of what felt suspiciously like a mass decision ahead of time it was going to suck the moment we knew Snyder was directing it. That irritation was then triplicated when everyone lauded Civil War, despite the fact their criticisms of BvS applied to an equal, and at times far greater extent.

    I guess the difference was the build-up. I know there's a general consensus DC and WB rushed into their own cinematic universe, but I thought what they were doing was a very interesting different take. It wasn't as simple as "reversing the MCU formula." I thought it was incredibly obvious in BvS - given how it ended in particular - that they were embarking on a multi-film arc for these characters that would see them change over the course of several films. I think there was a bit of a flinch at the notion MCU's experiment could be attempted in an alternative way, that gave WB doubts and then they shot themselves in the foot by panicking (understandable I guess, given the money involved) and changing the plan a thousand times over until now it seems like they no longer have any kind of clue what they want to do; and Joss Whedon murdering Justice League was the nail in the coffin.

    I'm fairly sure that if WB stayed the course, people would have been won over when they realised this was a multi-movie story arc for these characters but now we'll never know. As someone who waited his whole life for a Justice League film, and to see DC's great stable of characters all realised on screen, it's a massive understatement to say I'm gutted it's gotten to where it is now.

    Still, I'm looking forward to Aquaman, hoping like hell The Flash still happens (especially if a Flashpoint adaptation helps them do a soft reset of the franchise to get them out this mess with a clean slate) and maintain that BvS - especially the Ultimate Edition, mentioned above - is not just one of my favourite superhero films but one of my favourite films full stop. I thought it was a real genre epic. I adore it. And if the DCEU does, as it seems increasingly likely, go down in flames, I'll always have that!

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    Read something recently that given they routinely get blasted by Marvel nowadays and their own films don't get good write-ups as a rule, that their solution will be to focus on the villains, rather than the heroes.

    I can't claim to know a huge amount but it strikes me as something that could quite well for them, as a first impulse.

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    The Shazam Movie for one, should be about Black Adam, with Captain Marvel in it, not the other way around.

    If you do not know, SHAZAM is an acronym for of six "immortal elders": Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles and Mercury which turns Billy Bastion into Captain Marvel, but SHAZAM also is an acronym for for Black Adam which gives him his powers: the stamina of Shu, the swiftness of Heru (Horus), the strength of Amon, the wisdom of Zehuti (Thoth), the power of Aton, and the courage of Mehen. So the movie SHAZAM should be focused around both.

    I would kill for a stand alone Joker movie where Batman was the secondary character.

    Besides Joker, Deathstroke and Lobo (which would be awesome), there are not that many other DC Universe villains that could warrant a movie with them as the focus.

    Lex Luthor NEEDS Superman, but:

    • Darkseid could possibly hold a movie
    • I guess you could do a Ra's Al Ghoul Movie set back in time leading up though the ages to a modern day Gotham where Batman comes in a little, show the rise and power of the League of Shadows
    • A real Catwoman movie could work
    • A Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn movie would be good.


    Other than that, I can't see any other DC Villain holding a movie as the main character.
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    I’d be all on board for a Ra’s Al Ghul movie. Show him coming up through the league and challenging for the Demon’s Head moniker. Hell, make it a trilogy leading up to him (finally) meeting Bats at the end of the third movie.

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    Word is that Affleck is has now renewed interest in portraying Batman, after word was coming down that he wanted to gracefully exit. I hope this is true, I do agree that Affleck's Batman is the closest to the comics of all movie Batmans. Some of the areas DC is going is a bit confusing, like a Joker movie. But with all that said, it's not as bad as people said it was. I can watch Justice League more than once, and Wonder Woman is a top 5 comic book movie. I do think they should think of rebooting eventually, but for now, finish the story and make the best of a bad situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meandi View Post
    I’d be all on board for a Ra’s Al Ghul movie. Show him coming up through the league and challenging for the Demon’s Head moniker. Hell, make it a trilogy leading up to him (finally) meeting Bats at the end of the third movie.
    I would suggest reading the Birth of the Demon. That book is Ra's origin where he is the first and only Demon's head. It's a really good read.

    Quote Originally Posted by LWO4Life View Post
    Word is that Affleck is has now renewed interest in portraying Batman, after word was coming down that he wanted to gracefully exit. I hope this is true, I do agree that Affleck's Batman is the closest to the comics of all movie Batmans. Some of the areas DC is going is a bit confusing, like a Joker movie. But with all that said, it's not as bad as people said it was. I can watch Justice League more than once, and Wonder Woman is a top 5 comic book movie. I do think they should think of rebooting eventually, but for now, finish the story and make the best of a bad situation.
    Completely agree.

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    So plenty of news coming out of San Diego and Comic Con this week.

    First is the rebranding - DCEU, which I understand was never an official name anyway - has been officially displaced with the title Worlds of DC.

    There's a new Shazam trailer, that makes it look like existing movie continuity remains in place but that the studio will no longer be afraid to embrace a lighter and more optimistic tons generally.

    Aquaman has had a trailer too, and there's some healthy buzz about it. For me, I'm interested, but a lot of the CGI in the trailer looked ropey and rekindled horrible memories of JL. So we'll have to see.

    There's also been some exusive WW84 footage we don't get to see, and there's been some unrelated news emerging about the Joker origin movie starring Joaquin Phoenix in the title role (that, confusingly, is apparently not a part of WoDC continuity).

    So it looks like there's finally some clear direction here, but that this is gonna continue on as a painstaking process.

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    Aquaman seemed to be trying far too hard to be epic for my liking. Way too much unfocused CGI but I could be wrong.

    Shazam though, that looked petty funny. Weird concept, I don't know anything about the comics it is based on and the name is a bit hokey but man did that trailer look fun. The idea of a teenager being able to transform isn't new but the way this one pulls it off seems inherently comedic and could set up a whole host of good situations.

    For some reason I thought The Rock was going to be in Shazam but I didn't see him in he trailer, surely you don't hide the biggest movie star on the planet.

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    Shazam is called Shazam bc the main character is Captain Marvel. He was an independent comic, that was eventually bought up by DC in the 60s. Then when the comic line was relaunched, they changed the title to Shazam, which is the name of the magic wizard and Shazam is also an acronym for Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles and Mercury which when said gives Billy Baston his powers. Shazam is also an acronym for the stamina of Shu, the swiftness of Heru (Horus), the strength of Amon, the wisdom of Zehuti (Thoth), the power of Aton, and the courage of Mehen which gives Black Adam his powers.

    Furthermore, when DC relaunched Captain Marvel the main reason they called it Shazam is because Marvel comics was already established and they did not want confusion with the character's name and the company.

    For about 25-30 years, most people thought/believed that Captain Marvel's name was Shazam bc of the 70s TV show and the relaunch of the comic called Shazam.

    Also, when it comes down to it, Captain Marvel is the equal if not better than Superman, as Supes is susceptible to magic, which is what powers Marvel.

    And as for the Rock, I do not think that DC wants to unveil The Rock as Black Adam just yet. He is the ace in the hole. I think he will make an extended cameo at the end of the movie, then the Black Adam solo movie comes out and he is also rumored to be in Suicide Squad 2. Black Adam is one of Captain Marvel's main villains so he should be in Shazam 2.
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    What did you guys think about the trailer for Titans? I’m quite intrigued, but I’m also a tad worried that they’re going “too dark just for the sake of being too dark”. It’s almost as if they’re taking a page from Daredevil, but trying to make that seem PG-rated in comparison to Titans going for a hard R.

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    Titans looks great.

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    I did get a kick out of the part where some random thug asks “Where’s Batman?”, and Robin replies with “Fuck Batman.” Looking forward to them explaining the riff between those two and why Robin has seemingly “retired” at first.

    Also... don’t know how you guys still feel about Arrow or the CW-verse (Arrow is still my favorite show currently... the past couple of seasons are on par with the first two seasons and have definitely made up for the middle two season...), but the trailer dropped for season 7, and it’s looking to be good once again.
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    The Titans trailer was off-putting to me, and screamed of misguided studio concepts. Isn't it Dick Grayson in the show? The trailer had an overwhelming sense of Jason Todd, so it was all a little jarring to me. And as I struggle with most hero shows anyway - like the CW stuff incidentally - it was enough to ensure I won't be checking it out.

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    So I'm rewatching Justice Leaguek and through all its faults, the movie managed to take one of the lamest superheroes in Aquaman and make him cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meandi View Post

    Also... don’t know how you guys still feel about Arrow or the CW-verse (Arrow is still my favorite show currently... the past couple of seasons are on par with the first two seasons and have definitely made up for the middle two season...), but the trailer dropped for season 7, and it’s looking to be good once again.
    I still love Arrow; currently watching Season 6 on Netflix, as I'm a cordcutter. I have given up on Flash and Supergirl, but still watching Legends of Tomorrow, as well.

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    Xan, download the CW app and watch it on demand the day after it airs. That’s what I’ve been doing since season 4 after I cut the cord. There’s no way I’d wait until the entire season was over to watch it on Netflix. Also, I recommend giving Flash another chance. Season 3 was pretty meh, but season 4 was a nice recovery and I’m looking forward to season 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    So I'm rewatching Justice Leaguek and through all its faults, the movie managed to take one of the lamest superheroes in Aquaman and make him cool.
    I love his talk when he's sitting on the lasso. It was funny, honest, and actually made him out to look like a hero. As every hero I'm sure thinks about before saving the world, look, I'm pretty sure I'm going to die, but you know what, I'm not going down without a fight.

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    I hate commercials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWO4Life View Post
    I love his talk when he's sitting on the lasso. It was funny, honest, and actually made him out to look like a hero. As every hero I'm sure thinks about before saving the world, look, I'm pretty sure I'm going to die, but you know what, I'm not going down without a fight.
    Exactly. His speech is what made him more of a hero than any of the other 5.

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    I also recently re-watched Justice League for the first time since seeing it in the movies and I'm glad I did. It's definitely flawed and I still have huge, huge issues with the way Batman has been written in it particularly, but revisiting it saw me come to terms with it by thinking of it as just a pretty basic superhero film - lots of decent action, lots of effects; it felt like a big budget version of an episode of the cartoon (albeit with a terrible take on Batman!!!!), and as a result I could get on board with it.

    Still a massively wasted opportunity though.

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    Afflek was better than Keaton and Bale.

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    Sorry to keep coming back to Justice League, but can anyone tell me why Superman was such a world wide loved being in the DCEU? From Man of Steel where he debuted to BvS it was only 18 months later and the world is struggling with him as an entity and there is no universal love for him. Then in Justice League, the movie opens with worldwide tributes and black flags in memorial. But Supes was only dead for about 3 -12 months. So with 18 months of no real love for Superman to worldwide love? BvS should have taken place 5 years after man of Steel to get Superman love from the world.

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    At the end of Batman V Superman, he fought a monster and died killing it, making the ultimate sacrifice in order to save people. People must have known Lex was behind it all because he was sent to jail. So he became a symbol in death that's greater than he was in life.


    The only other reason I can think of is it's the DCEU, don't over think it, because trying to make sense of it only hurts the mind.

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    I ama huge DC fan, and I only read DC. But their movies are lacking, they have gotten better over the years.

    Man of Steel < BvS < Suicide Squad < Justice League < Wonder Woman

    But they are taking the general public's memories/opinions of Batman and Superman and having the movies try to emulate that instead of building them up form the bottom like Marvel did.

    BUT...beating one monster does not make you a world wide hero, where the entire planet mourns your loss. Otherwise why isn't the world honoring Wonder Woman and Batman who both fought and killed Doomsday with Supes?

    These are the reasons DC can't make good movies, they take too much for granted.

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    Then I guess it goes with the second paragraphs. The problem is that DC has been owned by Warner Brothers so long that Warner had ruined all things DC. Disney is starting to do the same with the Marvel comics, but the movies are still based off comics from when Marvel was independent so they are in that perfect area where you have their independent stories with Disney money. DC had a resurgence in the 80/90's when they got darker and let Batman be Batman. But Warner thought it was the darkness that sold without realizing the darkness was part of Batman, not the whole thing. So instead they made everything dark when it's not needed. Warner is running the DCEU the same as Vince is running WWE right now.

    But at least we got the Nolan series, the greatest comic trilogy ever!

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    Superman is presented as a divisive individual all the way through BvS, but it's important to keep in mind that the divisiveness operates only at the extreme ends of the spectrum. The film shows those who love him loving him almost to the point of deification, while others - like Lex, for example - react to him with paranoia and borderline abhorrence. When Justice League starts, I guess it focuses in more on those who adored him over those who didn't - though the implied rise in crime and the like evidences the slice of society likely to have hated Superman the most being emboldened by his sudden absence. It also positions Superman's death as one of the primary driving forces behind Steppenwolfe's attack.

    Also, Justice League wasn't well put together. So there's that.

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