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    Samoa Joe

    In spite of the WWE having him lose every feud he has been in so far on the main roster Joe has still maintained his popularity and still looks like one of the baddest men on the WWE roster.

    My question though where does Joe land in Smackdown? He currently seems to be a bit of an odd many out of the main event scene.

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    He may end up feuding with Styles after the Nakamura nonsense.

    Or have him take the IC Title off Hardy. Give Joe a title run already.

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    Yeah I could dig him as a US Title holder although as a heavyweight who has been holding his own across from Lesnar & Reigns it would seem like a demotion to not be going for the WWE Title.

    Crazy how once AJ is done with his old NJPW foe he can move onto his even older sparing partner from TNA.

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    Styles/Joe and Nakamura/Joe are the ways to go, I suspect. At least from NXT we know that Joe and Nak can go at it and deliver - although we all thought that about Nak and Styles too.

    Those three plus Miz should be who the Smackdown main event is being built around right now. Assuming they're not going to finally commit on Cesaro, that is - and boy howdy I'd like to see Cesaro/Joe, Cesaro/Styles, and Cesaro/Nak soon.

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    Am I the only one who thought those Joe/Nak matches from NXT were kind of a drag? I would be curious about Joe/AJ though, and Joe/Bryan is something that I think potentially could be really great.

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    I didn't think they were the best thing ever, entertaining but the title of Samoa Joe V Shinsuke Nakamura certainly felt like it should have been better.

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    I'm a huge Samoa Joe fan but there's something that annoys me about his matches in WWE. It's not that they're bad matches.. its that they are too long and WWE has to force that style on him. The Reigns match was a trainwreck... but mostly because it went 15 mins too long in a spot it never should have gone that long.

    What I'm getting at is, people will say Samoa Joe is done as a top guy... and I'm like yeah, he can't do things he used, he's older but they also don't play to his strengths as a killer. He could do what Brock does, way better if they let him. He could also be in a great tag team but no, we have to force him into the tired main event style. That hurts talent.

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    I do still think people have unrealistic expectations of Joe at times. He's just never going to be as good as he was in his prime, though he's rebounded more than I expected him to, I'll admit. I don't know if match length is exactly the issue but style is a big one, and I agree playing to his strengths also plays a factor. His promos are intense, and sometimes he can tear into a guy like he tried to do with Brock last year, but then sometimes his stuff falls below expectations. I don't know if it's what he can do or what he's asked to do, maybe a bit of both.

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    I so hope Joe is the guy that gets the MITB. Having him carry it around will be like a giant thunder cloud ready to break constantly hanging over whoever is champion.

    I could even see him go to the ring, beat the champ down and not cash in just to create even more fear.

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    I actually really like the idea of Joe holding it. He definitely feels like he could hit the ring, slap on a submission, and win the title any time, but he's not so hot that he'd be a waste of a case, like Miz or Strowman could arguably be.

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    I got to thinking recently how much money Joe would have made in the territory days. Come in, booked like a monster, win local title, hold it for a few months, drop it back to babyface, quick string of losses around the region, move, rinse and repeat.

    His shtick would have been perfect for that system.

    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    I've heard a lot of talk about Joe taking on AJ at Summer Slam. Gotta say it is something I would be up for. What do you guys think the odds on a Joe championship run?

    Personally I think he would be a nice change of pace as it would make the main event scene a 'challenge'. AJ is great but he is a beatable guy who rises to the occasion. Joe is a destroyer though who is constantly dangerous and always a challenge. He would be a great brick wall to throw some of the younger guys at to give them a shot in the spotlight.

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    I'm all in on Joe vs Styles. To be honest, it might be the only interesting thing they could do with both guys right now, unless they cued up Miz vs Styles (which I'd be 110% into).

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    Man, the idea of Joe vs. Styles being a big Summerslam match is surreal as shit, even now. If you had pitched that 5 years ago, you'd be laughed out of the building.

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    Part of it is because its WWE.. where it would feel somewhat fresh.. I wish we had 05 Joe vs. like 2012 Styles.. now that would be amazing.

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    Oh for sure. Man, if we had '05 Joe, anything would be possible.

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    I remember watching that triple threat match with AJ and Daniels and just having my mouth hanging open after seeing Joe flying around as well as either of them.

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    So to ask the question that kick-started the old Joe thread, is he basically a gatekeeper in the WWE or is he going to get to be the guy for a decent run himself?

    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    All Indications i've seen are that Joe isn't winning tomorrow in Australia which i think is the wrong decision. So I don't think he's getting a title run but he'll always be in that upper midcard role.

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    Yeah, AJ is keeping the title warm for The Miz. Joe could have a great title reign if given a chance but I don’t see management giving it to him.

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    Possibly a “thanks for being a super cool guy and always doing the job when we needed you to, so here’s a throw away title reign ala Kane circa 2010”?

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    Possibly a “thanks for being a super cool guy and always doing the job when we needed you to, so here’s a throw away title reign ala Kane circa 2010”?
    To be fair, though the Kane title reign in 2010 was pretty good. Kane actually got 3 wins over Taker (one of them being clean), which I don't even think Kane got 1 win over Taker back in 1998 (barring that sketchy one for a title shot).

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    So Joe gets anothe shot at Styles.

    Surley fourth time can't be a charm?

    With the thrown together nature of it I almost think they could hot potato the title just to keep up the chaotic feel.

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    Recently Joe is supposed to have 'hinted' that he might bring back the muscle buster. I mean I've read the interview myself and it just reads like he's staying in character, but that's the way it's being read by some.

    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    Why is Joe a glorified Enhancement Talent?

    Why has he not won a single title since his main roster call up? The build to the Lesnar match was the best build to a match against Lesnar, since Lesnar's return in 2012.

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    Is Joe finally getting pushed to a main event spot at Wrestlemania?

    The elimination chamber match will set up Mania feuds.

    Orton vs Styles
    Ali vs Hardy
    and Bryan vs Joe

    The fanboy in me wants Joe vs Bryan so badly. And it doesn't matter that it would be heel vs heel. Joe is a character who does not care who he beats up. He attacks both heels and faces. And Bryan's character can go either way. He is taking the "morally correct but way over the top, I'm better than you angle". The New Daniel Bryan is exactly like Kurt Angle's thre I's, the RTC etc, where they are correct in their points, but take it to the extreme to make you hate them. And the WWE universe really wants to be behind Joe.

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    I really don't know how you've got to Hardy vs Ali, Orton vs Styles, and Bryan vs Joe out of what's happening on Smackdown or what might happen out of Elimination Chamber. It all seems very up in the air at the moment, to me - Joe's playing a chaotic neutral kind of character, choking out anybody he can (Orton, for example, was his first target on Smackdown this week). Just guess work, or actually based on something?

    Orton vs Styles sounds like shit to me, and Ali vs Hardy holds little to no interest. Also no way Smackdown gets two non-title singles feuds on the Mania card, in my opinion. Last year it had one, and that was a major storyline with Shane involved.

    The only thing I think we can say is that we won't get Bryan vs Styles at Mania, because WWE has done that match a few times now.

    I actually want to see Bryan vs Ali at Mania, especially if, as Ali has suggested, Bryan was a driving force behind getting him on Smackdown weekly. I think those two could really deliver an interesting Mania match, and the face/heel divide is clear and easy to communicate in a stadium full of people.
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    It wouldn't make sense for AJ to feud with Joe or Bryan, given that he's already done that through out 2018. I don't see a AJ Syles and Jeff Hardy feud unless one of them turns. That leaves Styles and Orton, who have yet to feud.

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    Problem with Joe is he gets booked like a dominant monster the majority of the time but the audience knows he's going to lose the big match every time, so it's hard to care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLostInRewind View Post
    It wouldn't make sense for AJ to feud with Joe or Bryan, given that he's already done that through out 2018. I don't see a AJ Syles and Jeff Hardy feud unless one of them turns. That leaves Styles and Orton, who have yet to feud.
    Unless, of course, AJ doesn't get a major spot on the Mania card, or the US title match. I mean, I'm all for some R-Truth vs AJ Styles.

    Styles vs Orton just sounds like the wrestling equivalent of cardboard, to me, and I'd like to see it avoided. I suppose it'll be a nice reminder that the RKO is more over than either man in the match when Orton hits it as AJ goes for a Phenomenal Forearm, but otherwise it'll just be rank. Then again, I didn't think much of their Smackdown match a couple of years ago, which seems to be against the majority.

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    I can't see Orton or AJ not getting a spot on the main WM card. Orton is one of the protected and Styles was WWE champ for over a year. Bith will be in a main card match. What, I have no idea.

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    Unless, of course, AJ doesn't get a major spot on the Mania card, or the US title match. I mean, I'm all for some R-Truth vs AJ Styles.

    Styles vs Orton just sounds like the wrestling equivalent of cardboard, to me, and I'd like to see it avoided. I suppose it'll be a nice reminder that the RKO is more over than either man in the match when Orton hits it as AJ goes for a Phenomenal Forearm, but otherwise it'll just be rank. Then again, I didn't think much of their Smackdown match a couple of years ago, which seems to be against the majority.
    Maybe they can deliver on the wrestlemania stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I mean, I'm all for some R-Truth vs AJ Styles.
    Holy NWA-TNA! Can we get Don West to call the match, perhaps?

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    Hey look at that, Samoa Joe just won his first championship in the WWE. The US Title.

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    That’s freaking awesome. Remind me, though... who was the US Champ?

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    That’s freaking awesome. Remind me, though... who was the US Champ?
    Carmella.

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    it was R-Truth. Who i thought i was going to have match for the US title at mania against his idol, John Cena

    I now think that Joe vs. Cena at Mania is possible. Its a feud they haven't really done. And they're old friends

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    2 things:

    1. I heard that Cena was supposed to be the one to retire Angle at Mania as a nice bookend to their careers as Cena debuted against Angle, and then he retires Angle.

    2. IF we do get Joe vs Cena, Joe needs to win that match. Joe is basically Bray Wyatt now, some one who never wins a match or a feud. Cena needs to lose on the big stage, and Joe really needs the win.

    Cena has only 4 losses at Mania: 1 in a triple threat where he was actually pinned by Orton, then he lost to the Miz due to the Rock's interference, then he lost clean to the Rock, and then to the Undertaker last year. Cena, as a part timer now, should lose to Joe to give Joe all his credibility back.
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    I'm for the idea of Joe going over Cena. At 39 and pretty beat up Joe isn't exactly a young gun, but he is a fresher face and I think fans would really like to see him succeed on that level.

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