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    Apparently it's not just TV and house shows. I read somewhere that he hasn't been at the PC in weeks and some people are pretty sure he's home in Texas entirely.

    That would lead one to believe that he's been having issues of some sort, was either sent home or asked for time off, and this whole thing triggered something. I'm with you, I hope that the guy's okay.

    But still, the shit he's saying about "I am the best in the world", "I have never kissed ass", "I am going to blaze my trail to the top". That's some breakdown shit.

    I honestly hope that he doesn't feel justified in his anger that he never got to where he apparently believes he "deserves" to be, because he didn't rub the right elbows or kiss the right asses. Sorry, and I know it's some "brother, brother" shit, but that's the kind of politics that's the reality of not just pro wrestling but every profession. You don't get that promotion if you don't go for drinks with the boss. You don't necessarily get looked at for this booking or that push if you're not on the top of the booker's mind.

    And maybe it is a case that the other African American stars hung out together or with different people, while Jay Lethal was tight with Delirious. I've felt some of those frustrations, man. And let me tell you that there have been some long overnight drives home where I was an inciting incident away from telling everyone I know to fuck themselves and quitting the business entirely.

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    I am not agreeing with any rumors at this point, but...

    Imagine he is sent home to deal with some mental issues. WWE is likely footing the bill for this, and this guy goes on social media and just nukes everyone (including himself). That puts everyone in a terrible position, as they can't just drop the guy while he's in a mentally weak state. Meanwhile they have to take it all on the chin while he lambasts the company publicly.

    Again, if the mental illness part is true.


    Considering the amount of people who apparently get covered for rehab by WWE, it wouldn't shock me that they've moved into mental illness coverage too. As I work in the field of drug and alcohol workplace specialists, they end up going hand in hand with mental illness quite often.

    It's a no win situation.

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    its all speculation at this point. I was with him until that IG post because the issues he has with the business really shouldn't have anything to do with how good he thinks he is. That's the first time i felt like he was working some type of angle. No one cares how good someone thinks they are in wrestling.. its not really about that. if it was, we would have a totally different business.

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    So hey, female WarGames for the first time ever.

    By the sound of it, two WarGames matches at TakeOver - one for the women and one for the men.

    Men's might be UE vs Ciampa, Riddle, Lee and ? (Dijakovic, perhaps?)

    Women's I'm guessing Shayna, Marina, Jessamyn, Io vs Rhea, Bianca, Candice and ? (Nox or Kai seem like possible choices.

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    I know. Looks good, but if HHH is smart, he has Ripley walk out of the match as the clear star of the match. She should get the pinfall over Baszler in the match to set up a championship match between the two.

    And all Must Bask in Keith Lee's Glory.

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    I was hoping for Imperium in War Games but that's OK.

    From the show last night the women's match looks like Shayna/Marina/Jessamyn/Bianca/IO vs. Rhea/Candice/Nox/Kai/unknown (Mia Yim?).

    Rumor is the men's match could be for all the titles. Not sure how I feel about that.

    Takeover could look like:
    Two War Games matches
    Finn/Gargano
    Cruiserweight title match?

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    Finn's promo was the best he has ever cut last night in the WWE (any brand). I have not seen anything from Japan, but he keeps saying the Prince is back.

    Is this how he cut promos as Prince Devitt in Japan?

    However, as good as his promo was, Moxley in AEW really showed how to cut a pissed off promo and completely overshadowed Balor's if you compare them .

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    When did Bianca turn heel?

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    I do not think she did. Her coming down to attack Ripley was based on their match from last week, and to help set up War Games, but I do not think she is a heel per say.

    Also, the NXT Women's division probably as a whole, is the best division in all of wrestling right now. They have so much depth and a few truly break out stars. Rhea Riply, Bianca Belair, and Mia Yim. Honestly I do not know what everyone sees in Candice LeRae or Tegan Nox. I know I have limited experience with those two, but in the same limited experience Ripley, Belair, and Yim are so much better in every way.

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    To be honest, while I liked Finn's promo last night, I thought it was still not a good, or great, promo in a lot of ways. The 'turn Johnny Wrestling into Johnny Watches Wrestling' line felt really dumb and like a school ground insult, and I didn't really get an angle from it - like, the point seems to be that he thinks Gargano is a mark for the business rather than focused as a wrestler, so is Finn's angle/motivation that he's coming back as 'the wrestler' who isn't that guy?

    I thought the opening couple of lines on Bray and masks hit home, but then it just felt a bit rambling and muddled. He delivered it well, for sure, but I didn't really get much progression from it.

    Plus, his tattoo's nice but it's a really stupid position in terms of composition and looks dumb as fuck. I like hand tattoos (have actually been getting really into them recently and am considering my own) but boy does it need something to join it up he arm more than it's got. Trouble is, I struggle to see past it now when I see him.

    EDIT: Candice is freaking dope, and has probably only shown about 10% of what she's capable of in NXT to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    To be honest, while I liked Finn's promo last night, I thought it was still not a good, or great, promo in a lot of ways. The 'turn Johnny Wrestling into Johnny Watches Wrestling' line felt really dumb and like a school ground insult, and I didn't really get an angle from it - like, the point seems to be that he thinks Gargano is a mark for the business rather than focused as a wrestler, so is Finn's angle/motivation that he's coming back as 'the wrestler' who isn't that guy?

    I thought the opening couple of lines on Bray and masks hit home, but then it just felt a bit rambling and muddled. He delivered it well, for sure, but I didn't really get much progression from it.

    Plus, his tattoo's nice but it's a really stupid position in terms of composition and looks dumb as fuck. I like hand tattoos (have actually been getting really into them recently and am considering my own) but boy does it need something to join it up he arm more than it's got. Trouble is, I struggle to see past it now when I see him.

    EDIT: Candice is freaking dope, and has probably only shown about 10% of what she's capable of in NXT to date.
    I agree to all of this, and to calrify, I said it was Finn's best promo in the WWE to date, not an all time great promo. I completely forgot about the shots taken at the Fiend, and yeah it did hit home. and you are right, what is the motivation for attacking Gargano? The PPV is a week away and we have no idea for his reasoning. Wrestling is a show where feuds good or bad need a story to go with it. From my previous posts in other WWE threads, you all know that I hate the Rusev/Lashley/Lana stuff, but at least we know why all three are involved, There is a clear story for all three involved. With Finn, it seems like the conversation was like: Finn you are going back to NXT, and you can turn heel, and feud with Gargano, now go. Umm...what's the reason, the motivation for the feud? Nevermind. Just go.

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    I actually thought he was going to take it in a different direction when he referenced Gargano being the heart of NXT - because Finn can arguably claim he built NXT into the brand it is as champion, and carried it on his shoulders. The fact I think his championship reign wasn't all that intriguing doesn't change the fact that with Finn as champion they went from selling out Full Sail for Takeover to selling out arenas in Brooklyn, England, and Texas while NXT established itself properly and publicly as WWE's third brand.

    Then it went into the 'the wrestlers back there are fans' and my head spun off my shoulders a bit because it turned into something else that didn't give us a sensible reason for what had happened, or even something clear to say 'well, Finn's delusional if he thinks that' which is often a heel motivation - them being right but not 100% exact.

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    You didn't get it?

    He took a few shots at the fans and his own booking, but the crux of what he was saying is that all of the boys are fucking marks and he's sick of it, Gargano included.

    He could have turned on anyone, but obviously the guy who represents what he thinks is bullshit is the guy to go after.

    That's where the whole "I don't watch this business" and "Johnny Watches Wrestling" come from. Balor isn't a mark for pro wrestling, and he resents everyone else who is.

    I honestly didn't think it could be more clear.

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    Well then, that clear that up. Makes much more sense.

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    I really didn't care for the women's tag title match. I love tag wrestling, and holding your opponent in your corner and leading to the hot tag is a trope I never get tired of.

    But that was some of the worst tag wrestling I've ever seen. Kairi and Asuka looked like they didn't know what to do with Kai. Not because they were frustrated they couldn't put her away, but more like they ran out of creative ideas on moves to use. Kai had to look ridiculous way too often, as she was within close reach, but had to pretend what the Kabukis were doing was devastating enough to not be able to step a foot away to tag Nox.

    As terrible as I thought Bucks/Omega were on Dynamite, the heel team worked the "keep opponent in corner" aspect perfectly, and made Kabukis look like rookies.

    The match was saved by the post match angle. But was still disappointing.

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    You know what I really didn't like in that tag match? The ref seemingly having an obsession with the tag rope being held. Whether it's because the Warriors just kept fucking it up or whether the ref was just being overzealous in looking for it, there were two or three instances where the ref stopped a tag because the rope wasn't being held - and certainly one of them led to exactly what you're saying above Pen, where Kai was almost doing that WWE games thing of standing up but looking loopy while you circle around it trying to get in position to hit your finisher.

    Also, one of these days NXT is going to end a match during those PIP advert breaks and I'm going to completely miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    You didn't get it?

    He took a few shots at the fans and his own booking, but the crux of what he was saying is that all of the boys are fucking marks and he's sick of it, Gargano included.

    He could have turned on anyone, but obviously the guy who represents what he thinks is bullshit is the guy to go after.

    That's where the whole "I don't watch this business" and "Johnny Watches Wrestling" come from. Balor isn't a mark for pro wrestling, and he resents everyone else who is.

    I honestly didn't think it could be more clear.
    I mean, I guess I did 'get it', because I think I said that in my first post above discussing it, but I don't think that's necessarily a very easy motivation to track as a fan, perhaps, is my point. Your second post might be kind of key, Coach, because it's hitting you home from a personal point of view.

    A follow up promo could be interesting if they extrapolate that all on to the issues that some of us pull out of Gargano's wrestling - too many kick outs from big moves, more worried about stars from Meltzer than actual quality etc. Just to really ram that point home. I think that's what I ended up feeling like, actually - that it was a good first half of a promo that needed something to really push the message home solidly.

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    Just saw on the main page NXT will be a part of Survivor Series. Maybe UE vs. Ciampa & company will happen then instead.

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    Interesting. The poster makes it look like we'll be on triple threat matches with the champions this year - Cole Vs Lesnar Vs Rollins, for example.

    God I hope Shayna absolutely brutalises Bayley and Becky.

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    Oh wow. That's very interesting.

    Make that match Rollins vs. Lesnar vs. Ciampa and let the greatest sports entertainer in the world get the win.

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    WWE must really hate Brock Lensar. Forcing him to carry both Seth Rollins and Adam Cole?! THE HORROR!


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    So now we will be getting the Fiend vs Lesnar vs Cole or Ciampa.

    Seems like a no win situation, since, to quote Coach "It will take a nuclear bomb to beat the Fiend now".

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    It's a pretty easy one to get their way around, though - they can take The Fiend out of the match by having him brawl with whoever his next challenger is, leaving you with Lesnar vs Cole w/UE.

    These NXT injury reports are weird. Dakota Kai had to have her eyes rinsed and has a hyper-extended knee, while O'Reilly has a 'bruised eye'.

    How much of this is kayfabe and how much is an actual injury? Like, Kai having her eyes rinsed is obviously very much a kayfabe thing, and her knee got worked all match so could be. O'Reilly's bruised eye, though?
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    Oli, I think it's all kayfabe, with extreme exceptions like Velveteen Dream. It's like they do post UFC shows, with medical suspensions. I think it's a great touch, though it's weird how one brand of WWE does it, but not the the other 2.

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    I think that's why I might find it a little weird, and adding in the Dream stuff gives it a bit of a feel of having once been real, at least.

    I like it.

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    So, for the women's WarGames, we've just got confirmed the following via an appearance on 'The Bump':

    Rhea Ripley, Tegan Nox, Candice Lerae, and TBC vs Shayna Baszler, Bianca Belair, Io Shirai, and TBC

    Shayna confirmed she's not going to pick either of the other two Horsewomen as 'it's good to have your friends on the outside sometimes in WarGames'. She also refused to name her fourth team member until Rhea names hers.

    Dakota Kai has laid claim to the fourth spot on team Rhea, but Ripley wasn't sure she's the sort of 'fighter' she wants on her team. That means Kai is out to prove something tonight when she takes on Shayna during the show - hopefully that's not a non-title loss for Baszler to progress the story, but hopefully a competitive loss for Kai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    Rhea adds Toni Storm to her team, and in a shocking turn of events Shayna adds a turned Dakota Kai to hers?
    Close...

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    So, to update:

    Rhea Ripley, Tegan Nox, Candice LeRae, and Mia Yim vs Shayna Baszler, Bianca Belair, Io Shirai, and TBC
    The Undisputed Era vs Tomasso Ciampa, Keith Lee (Keith Lee), Matt Riddle, and TBC

    Looks like they are setting up to have Pete Dunne vs Killian Dain vs Damien Priest on the undercard, but I can't immediately identify any other undercard matches that have potentially been set up.

    Given the two previous WarGames matches have gone 36 and 47 minutes each, maybe they're not expecting to book much more onto the card.

    Maybe they run Rush vs Garza Jr there?

    I'm not sure if I'm going to be the only one who says this, but I love Taynara. I'm not sure the heavily judo influenced moveset will work long term, but I think she's got a really high ceiling based on her recent performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I'm not sure if I'm going to be the only one who says this, but I love Taynara. I'm not sure the heavily judo influenced moveset will work long term, but I think she's got a really high ceiling based on her recent performances.
    I really like her, too. There's definitely something there. I don't know how good her English is, but if it's there she's a huge star waiting to happen.

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    Crazy to think it's been two years since she was briefly involved in an Undisputed Era storyline. WWE certainly has patience with their prospects. Like Angelo Dawkins being with them since 2012.

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    They do this with a lot of people - I guess it's part of it still being 'developmental', that these people they obviously see something in just need to get a hold on one particularly gimmick and they can really take off. Like Wesley Blake being a Real Live Cowboy in 2012/13 (or whenever it was) before BAMF and now Forgotten Sons.

    Hey, here's a thing - is Finn Balor a Raw sleeper agent?

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    If Balor was a RAW sleeper agent, that would be the best story that they have come up with in years.

    However, I think that the WWE needs to go bigger with the OC/Balor Club stuff. It was overt with AJ and Balor pointing at each other. Let them have a cross show program go on.

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    When you said Rush vs Garza Jr, I thought of ROH champ RUSH, and got excited for a second.

    Love Taynara as well. She's green, but has a lot of the important small parts nailed down. With experience, she could be great.


    Have they mentioned the date for Takeover? I have to assume it's Survivor Series weekend, but it feels like they haven't mentioned the actual date.

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    November 23.

    And I think Lio Rush vs Garze is scheduled for NXT next week.

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    Ratings are in:
    AEW: 822,000
    NXT: 813,000

    The Saudi trip may be the best thing that happened for NXT. Got the buzz rolling.

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    I know there was a lot of talk of how Vince would take over NXT, and book main roster talent on the show. Instead, the opposite happened, and the NXT roster appeared on the main roster shows. Smarter move in my opinion.

    That said, I feel it won't last long. After SSeries, it'll be back to normal.

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    Will the numbers hold, though? If people are tuning in for the next three weeks -- and we have no idea what next week will look like -- and they're putting out a good product, you have to figure some of them will stick around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    November 23.

    And I think Lio Rush vs Garze is scheduled for NXT next week.
    Yeah, it is - I posted that mid show, before the announcement.

    I also can't stop laughing at Nese powerbombing Garza's trousers.

    I know comedy in wrestling can be a love/hate thing, but I think something like that is as good as you can do it. Really slapstick, in the middle of an otherwise serious match, just to add a moment of levity.

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    Yeah, after survivor series, there will be no reason for NXT and WWE to get involved in each other's business (kayfabe wise).

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