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    That's pretty cool - Sabin's only 37, too, so could potentially (after he recovers from his injury, fully tore his ACL in January I believe) even be active for NXT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    UE is an odd one - they're only really 'cool', in my opinion, because Adam Cole comes down and makes everyone go 'Bay Bay' and 'Boom' during his entrance. Otherwise they're fucking dirtbag shits that should be booed out of every arena they sit foot in.

    Mind you, I hate Adam Cole anyway. Just does nothing for me.

    O'Reilly, on the other hand, I love. I think he has a great style that's interesting and different enough in the ring, he's willing to put himself through hell to get a match going (like in the ladder match recently, and is a genuinely interesting in ring presence. Would rather watch him in the ring for thirty minutes than Cole at this point.
    Agreed 1000%.

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    Enjoyed this hype video. Cole going to Gargano’s parents’ pizza shop and Gargano’s gym was amusing.

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    My seats for the night

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    Nice view.

    EDIT: That was a real fun tag match.
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    I tried to watch takeover just now, but audiodesynch ruined it for me. Anyone else have that problem?

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    It’s going to be sad watching Gargano chase after the 24/7 title in a couple weeks with all the other jobbers. Not that I think he should be pushed to a world title but they invested a lot of time to build him to where he is, and I doubt that will amount to much on the main roster.

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    Man, fuck that Cole/Gargano match. Talk about overdoing it.

    I loved everything else on that show, though. I see Baszler/Yim getting some stick today, but I dug it a lot.

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    I wish they weren't so apprehensive about heel vs heel feuds. I would love to se e Bazler defend against this Shirai so she can finally win the belt.

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    Honestly, I think they might do that. It's hard to see anybody other than Io taking that title off of Baszler right now.

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    Honestly, I think they might do that. It's hard to see anybody other than Io taking that title off of Baszler right now.
    I'd like that, but it's far more likely to see a 3 way or 4 way match involving Candice and/or Yim.

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    Why not just do Candice vs. Bazler? There's time before the next Takeover. Give her some big wins on TV and have her beat the poor woman's Rousey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Man, fuck that Cole/Gargano match. Talk about overdoing it.
    It was fun live, until the cage. For the first 2 falls, I was thinking how they are doing a better job not delivering too much, and having too many kicks outs like their previous matches. Gargano being resilient has been established, so him kicking out is easier to deal with than previous. Again, for the first 2 falls.

    The cage was where I felt it went overboard. I'll always hate moves that are ridiculous and involve too much setup to be realistic, such as the Panama Sunrise (and Jay Lethal's Lethal Injection...etc.). I hate it every time, and the one off the ladder leading to the kick out was likely where I officially stopped caring. I also thought the final bump was too staged, obviously. Maybe it was being there live, and the camera angle might have hidden it for those at home, but once they got on that platform, it was way too staged, and the "fall" looked more like synchronized swimming with a leap.

    Rest of the show - Preshow stuff that you'll see Wednesday was solid. Standard tag, but I was impressed by the breakout tourny. The crowd was quiet at first, but the competitors won over the crowd. That was one of the best live wrestling


    NXT Takeover crowds - It's an experience to be apart of, but I don't know if I could do it again. Smarks in the business to get themselves over ruin the fun for me. They chanted "This Is Awesome" or "Fight Forever" for 5-6 of the 7 matches. I loved most of the matches, but 2-3 of the matches came close to be all time greats, and a lot of that was based on expectations. The NXT Tag title was possibly my fave match of the night, but it's very much influenced by how the Street Profits have improved. They might have faced the best tag team in the world for making everyone look great, but it was still amazing how both Dawkins and Ford looked their best they've ever looked. Then, Io and Candice almost stole the show from all women everywhere. It went from a standard midcard match to a true main event feel, and Io's heel work is tremendous.

    Live notes, WWE staff hands out rec cups before the Profits entrance. I didn't see the same thing for the Gargano blinking logo, but I might have missed it. My fiance who came with me loved the Triple Threat (funny aside, she was trying to tell me which match was he favorite on the drive home, but didn't know what the match was called, and was trying avoid saying "the threesome match".), but I felt it looked too staged for my tastes. Fun though.

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    I will say, during the first fall, I thought the two were wrestling a lot smarter than in their previous matches, and was really getting into it. It was fall two and, as you say Pen, especially three that I found to be borderline unbearable.

    And yeah, the fall from the top looked corny as heck to me as well. I'm not a huge fan of them when it looks like the two have clearly propelled themselves through the air to actually get somewhere, because there's no reason for the propulsion. If they'd just fallen through the tables, basically taking a flat back bump and dropping like a stone, I think it looks better and (I'm sure I'm wrong on this for a myriad of reasons, as I'm not a trained professional) safer. Like, Cole took about 90% of that bump on his shoulder because they were going sideways, I feel. Could have ended in a nasty injury.

    Like I said, everything else there I loved, so any ranking of matches is all relative. For me, the triple threat was match of the night, but it was very close to being overhauled by Io vs Candice, which was terrific. So glad Io went and rejoined the Black Lotus Tribe and is now kicking shit.

    If I thought NXT would do it, I could see a really good Io vs Gargano match in the near future happening. As long as it's just Io shit kicking Johnny for 15 minutes or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    Why not just do Candice vs. Bazler? There's time before the next Takeover. Give her some big wins on TV and have her beat the poor woman's Rousey.


    Poor woman's Rousey? Jeez.... I normally agree with you on nearly everything, but that assessment is as accurate as a Storm Trooper trying to shoot the broad side of a barn. Not only is Baszler leagues better than Rousey ever will be, but Shayna is easily one of the best female heels in the entire company. I'd rank only Charlotte and Alexa above her in terms of heel work/charisma.


    I thought Baszler vs Yim was better than the online critics are saying. I think people watch Takeover and expect every match to have 100 false finishes with everyone kicking out of all the top moves, which is why it is becoming increasingly harder to watch Gargano matches and enjoy them. Though Adam Cole was awesome. Put one slow, methodical match on a Takeover card and watch all the people proclaim it the worst match ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleckamania View Post
    I thought Baszler vs Yim was better than the online critics are saying. I think people watch Takeover and expect every match to have 100 false finishes with everyone kicking out of all the top moves, which is why it is becoming increasingly harder to watch Gargano matches and enjoy them. Though Adam Cole was awesome. Put one slow, methodical match on a Takeover card and watch all the people proclaim it the worst match ever.
    I'm completely with you here, Kleck, but I also accept that I'm a Baszler fan and her matches always watch better for me than others. I thought they did a good job telling a story of a street fighter against a more trained one, and how those two are diametric opposites. I also thought Shayna sold exceptionally well.

    That said, though, I'm not sure it's a slow, methodical match thing - Riddle vs Strong was just that and yet I think the consensus was that it completely ruled.

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    It depends on how you want to look at it. From what I've seen Ronda has demonstrated more aptitude for the basics so in that sense she's "better", and obviously has huge upsides in terms of recognition that Shayna will probably never have. Shayna has probably done better at the character stuff, and does a pretty good job of maximising the stuff she can do in the ring and leaning heavily into that, for the most part at least.

    Personally, I think they both bring more than enough to make it worth having them around, but they've each got a downside, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleckamania View Post
    Though Adam Cole was awesome.
    I still fail to see what's special about Cole, other than having a 2019 summarized version of the Roaddogg gimmick, getting people to say Boom and Baybay on cue. Other than that, there's just nothing about him better than 50% of the NXT roster.

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    Granted, I'm not a fan, fan of Adam Cole, but I can appreciate his qualities. He's got the IT factor imo. It's why fans go insane. A natural, physical charisma, build and looks similar to HBK. Rarely makes mistakes in the ring. Is undeniably solid in promos and on the mic. He's not great, but he is good at a lot of things, and I wouldnt be at all surprised to see WWE shoot him to the moon on the main roster.

    Last night, minus that finish (which I'm honestly not sure who to blame for. If that was scripted to bump like that I feel bad for both guys, but as Oliver pointed out Adam ate most of the impact- makes me think it could have been a Gargano botch) Cole wrestled a very solid match in terms of timing, positioning, execution aside from that bump. They definitely had a chemistry together, and it often seems like that is said in most of Adam Cole's feuds. Tends to point to him being good at what he does.


    As for Shayna, yeah I'm a big fan too, but I definitely still watch even my favorites objectively. The only thing I can say she is still green at is her entrance to the ring, and at times her timing/positioning. She has come a very long way. She will never have the commercial appeal Ronda has, but man, her heel work during matches is just wonderful at times.


    And am I really the only one who thought the Triple Threat was a rushed together let down? It wasnt terrible- Dream was fantastic, Roddie was tremendous as usual, but man it seemed like Pete was off. It almost felt like he knew he was losing, so he didnt put as much into it as he should have. Like Joe used to in TNA.
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    I would agree that Cole is solid in the ring. But I also feel that way about most of the top NXT prospects. As for "It factor", I think that's a tough call. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not seeing it. And that is why I'm not arguing you on it, because I see star power/It factor in others that many online don't see (Roman Reigns, for example).

    I also recognize that there is a style of modern wrestling I just can't get into, and so far, Cole falls in that category. This also describes recent Gargano matches, but I don't think he was this bad vs Andrade or Ciampa. Cole vs Gargano on the other hand as been tedious to get through. The style I'm talking about is the excessive kickouts to ridiculous finsher type moves that turn into a spot match. I'm more forgiving in tag wrestling, because you don't have to kick out of these moves when your partner can break the count. But as much as I despite the Canadian Destroyer/Panama Sunrise, Gargano kicking out of the one off the ladder was absurd.

    I think my biggest issue with Cole is he doesn't comes off as a credible threat. I understand he's mostly a cheap heel with the stable, but unless he's fighting Gargano, he doesn't look or act imposing, or seem like someone who can outwrestle the other. I know Ric Flair was this kind of wrestler in the 80s, but he at least wrestled in a way that made it logical that he could beat someone twice his size. Cole doesn't.

    Shayna I am a fan of, but she's such an anomoly in the ring that I understand why many don't appreciate her. She's such a different type of modern heel. She's almost like the female HHH, in that she's obviously talented enough to outwrestle the opponent, but cheats anyways, while being imposing at every turn. She's also not a cool heel. But she's not "exciting" in the ring. That's what people have a hard time getting around, much like Randy Orton (though nowhere near as polished as The Viper is). But they get labeled boring because they don't wrestle an exciting style. I love it, but it doesn't work for many. I think the issue for this Takeover is that Yim didn't really get a strong enough story to be a contender. Had it been any other NXT women's champ (other than Asuka), I think Yim's story would have been enough. But Shayna has been so dominant that the person who will take the title off her needs to be on such a crazy roll. And the only people that can describe are heels, like Io, or Bianca Belair. And they both lost to her recently. With Breezango back in NXT, maybe the person to challenge Shayna will be a main roster woman who returns to NXT. I wouldn't mind seeing Dana Brooke come back for a chance. Or, Asuka honestly would be amazing (though this is more likely to happen unhyped on a random SD when Shayna gets to the main roster).

    But Candice might be the best option if they give her the right story to move forward.

    As for the Triple Threat, I didn't get into it. I didn't notice Dunne being lazy, but it just wasn't my style of match. I generally don't like singles Triple Threat/4/5/6 way matches, though.

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    Candice vs Shayna or Goth Io vs Shayna will both rule, I think. Happy for them to take those two in either direction - whilst heel vs heel doesn't seem likely, I think they could do it really well with those two.

    I get where you're coming from on the 'Io just challenged and lost' front, Pen, but I think this is so clearly a different Io that it's not a huge step to accept her as a challenger with a chance.

    Most likely, I'm guessing a triple threat between those three to keep a face interest.

    Next Takeover is WarGames, right, in November? Hard to see they go in any direction other than Undisputed Era vs AN Other team, I guess, but I'd quite like the three Horsewomen vs Team Candice - trouble is I don't know who you can get in NXT that fits into the face side and can be considered strong enough as challengers.

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    I think Meltzer was the one that said NXT moving to the USA Network will be the death to NXT as we know it but I'm still cautiously optimistic. The best part of the news is that it will still be taking place at Full Sail, so there can only be so much Vince intervention if he does intend to intervene. If it's main roster guys like Brezango coming down for a refresher I'm all for it; just don't make a third show for Roman and other top stars to appear on weekly.

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    I mean, yeah - my biggest fear is they move it then handle it like a Superstars/Main Event type programming where they just chuck some random matches each week.

    If they can keep it like NXT is currently, use the extra hour to just build a further couple of stories for undercard guys, and make it interesting while keeping their longer-term stories going, it'll be OK.

    My big question - what happens to Takeovers from here? Do they stick with the five match schedule that's recently been successful, or do they feel the need to expand that to accommodate a pay off for the additional storylines they (hopefully) build up? Personally I'd like to see them pay one or two of the undercard stories off on the TV shows rather than have them climax at Takeover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortablynumb View Post
    I think Meltzer was the one that said NXT moving to the USA Network will be the death to NXT as we know it but I'm still cautiously optimistic. The best part of the news is that it will still be taking place at Full Sail, so there can only be so much Vince intervention if he does intend to intervene. If it's main roster guys like Brezango coming down for a refresher I'm all for it; just don't make a third show for Roman and other top stars to appear on weekly.
    It's these sort of misunderstandings that lead to Meltzer getting so much shit. I've heard every show he's don in the past week and he has never said NXT moving to USA would be the death of them. What he has said is that Vince McMahon won't be hands off with the product, especially if they don't draw a huge rating right away, and that part is just common sense. Not only will the show be expanding an hour but look who they're going up against. Triple H and co. can try to deny it all the want but this move was done to counter program AEW. Otherwise they would've had NXT on network TV earlier (which they could've done given the demand USA and Fox both had for WWE content), they would've put the show on another night or they just would've kept NXT as is. They did this to go head to head with AEW and there's no doubt in my mind that Vince will become involved. And by the way, there's not a damn thing wrong with that. Wrestling promotions have done this to each other for years and years, and generally it just makes things more fun for us (provided the shows are good). Let's just call it as it is.

    Obviously I do hope Vince and USA (let's not forget them) doesn't become too involved of course. NXT, even at it's worst (has it ever actually been bad?) is still the one place that provides WWE fans with a product most are happy with. I have my misgivings about Triple H running the ship but I at least know he and his lieutenants can produce something good with NXT, and even with the extra hour of TV I think they're capable of keeping the same level of quality. The question is how long will they be given full control and that's where the Vince and USA equation come in. Those are big deals; NXT has been able to operate as well as it has because the oversight is limited. That won't be the case now with Vince wanting to beat AEW and USA obviously wanting the show to draw well. It's imperative that NXT gets off to a hot start both creatively and ratings wise. If they do I think this could be a smooth transition. If they struggle and AEW beats them a few times in the ratings (which I do think will happen the first week) then it may be time to start worrying.


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    " this move was done to counter program AEW. "

    In a court of law, the burden of proof would be on you. Especially when this is NXTs existing time slot on the WWE Network. I'm not saying you're wrong, as I agree that this is the case, but there's no proof to state it as fact.

    Besides that, it's a moot point. I believe the only reason to even bring it up is to push buttons. The whole counter programming discussion was immature to begin with, and started when AEW booked their launch on a Tuesday just down the road from Smackdown. Using your words, there's nothing wrong with that, but let's call it what it is. AEW got their timeslot against NXTs existing slot after rumors they were hoping to get Tuesdays, feeding off Smackdown viewers who didn't move with Fox to Fridays with the blue brand.

    Much like Cody with his immature rants about counter programming, this was started by AEW. They poked the bear.
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    It was bound to happen regardless if AEW or WWE had taken shots. Not about poking the bear, just common sense. Especially when you look at the whole picture and see that USA network relies on WWE so much that they probably weren’t pleased losing WWE programming to Fox and then seeing another cable network give time for a new promotion with money behind them

    Not o mention all the claims from WWE that NXT is a third brand. AEW’s existence only sped up the process imo

    If WWE really wanted to go after AEW, they would try to run NXT touring every week in the same cities lol

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    Oli, I think it is inevitable that the Takeovers will have more matches- that is the least of my concerns. My biggest one is that they will now feel compelled to do them monthly. Let the oversaturation begin...


    I think they will be okay for a while, but doubling your programming per week will eventually put a strain on creative- especially when stars start cycling out, and new faces come into the mix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post

    Much like Cody with his immature rants about counter programming, this was started by AEW. They poked the bear.
    Shhh... this doesn't fit their rhetoric.

    I hope AEW does well, but shoehorning themselves into the position of plucky underdog in a scuffle they started is off-putting.

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    Any fan who doesn't want all wrestling to do well... shouldn't really call themselves a wrestling fan. I understand brand allegiance. I obviously find my wrestling home to be WWE. But the better any brand does, the better the entire business can do. I've said somewhere that what Vince is amazing at, yet rarely gets credit for, is watching how others succeed and melding those ideas into WWE. It can be considered stealing ideas. But Attitude Era wasn't just a copy of ECW. It just took some of what made ECW special, and evolved WWF with those factors. So far, AEW hasn't shown me anything new, but if they do end up pushing the tag division the way they seem to be planning, or if the win/loss record ends up being as huge a factor as has been discussed, then Vince will likely put more energy into the tag division, and have wins and losses matter more.

    And on that note, I think NXT is where these changes will show the most. It's not that I believe Vince will be hands off, but the gut feeling I have from how HHH has built NXT, that Vince won't just turn it into the 3rd WWE brand. There will be pressure from USA and Vince, no doubt. But it's still going to be very different than Raw or SD. NXT has been a great place for new ideas and technology to be explored. For example, on the main roster we're now used to see the ring apron screens and the corner post screens. Those started in NXT. That's an obvious and visual factor, but there have been other more subtle ones as well. And that's why I think NXT will likely still have a developmental feel to it, but not just in developing talent (which, let's be honest, the TV product hasn't really been about development the way OVW or FCW used to be).

    I think NXT will still take more risks than the main roster shows (though cut down on stupid risks like giving Rod Strong a live mic). Originality shown by AEW will be shown in NXT afterwards. Both shows aim for the same audience, and have (in my opinion) an equal talent roster. AEW leads the way in name branding, especially being on TNT, and international talents shared among other promotions. NXT has a better core of homemade stars, but that's an unfair comparison as AEW needs to get out of the blocks first, and that's why they should be sharing talent the way they do). I think the goal will be for NXT to not just knock away some of AEW's ratings, but also become competition for new signees. A year from now, a team like LAX who is leaving Impact would have a very tough decision to make. Right now, AEW is the way better option for them, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post
    NXT has been a great place for new ideas and technology to be explored. For example, on the main roster we're now used to see the ring apron screens and the corner post screens. Those started in NXT. That's an obvious and visual factor, but there have been other more subtle ones as well. And that's why I think NXT will likely still have a developmental feel to it, but not just in developing talent (which, let's be honest, the TV product hasn't really been about development the way OVW or FCW used to be).
    This really can't be overstated. NXT has been the training ground not just for in-ring talent, but production and writing staff. Their relationship with Full Sail has allowed them to help train production staff, help students learn from experts in production from WWE, but has probably allowed WWE to get ideas from these new, young minds that aren't jaded by years of industry experience and "the way it's done".

    I think AEW has a lot of that as well. A lot of people with no experience doing this, surrounded by guys like Keith Mitchell with decades of experience. Keith has this handled, but you have people like Cody or Kenny to toss out new ideas that his experience might actually blind him to.

    I hope that NXT is still allowed to experiment. Try new camera angles, try new production things, if it's shit you don't try it again and you move on. But a lot of cool stuff has come out of NXT, so I'd like to see that continue.

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    To continue on this topic, anyone who watched this week's NXT might have seen an experimental segment that falls in line with what Fox has asked of Smackdown. The hype video for next week's Dominik Dijakovic VS Keith Lee match was VERY inspired by the standard UFC pre fight hype videos. Maybe this was to help gauge how to start the blue brand presentation?

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    I just read that after NXT airs on USA against AEW, the WWE will then air the broadcast on the Network 24 hours later. That is a HUGE mistake. That allows for anyone/everyone who already watches NXT a reason to deliberately not tune in and to watch AEW live. They can just wait a day to watch NXT. The WWE should not rebroadcast NXT until weeks/months later to force people to choose or at least DVR (which still generates ratings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    I just read that after NXT airs on USA against AEW, the WWE will then air the broadcast on the Network 24 hours later. That is a HUGE mistake. That allows for anyone/everyone who already watches NXT a reason to deliberately not tune in and to watch AEW live. They can just wait a day to watch NXT. The WWE should not rebroadcast NXT until weeks/months later to force people to choose or at least DVR (which still generates ratings).
    I agree, but if they're concerned that a lot of people's main reason for subscribing to the Network is NXT I can definitely see it. It's an option to watch it on the Network, but we also live in a culture that's obsessed with spoilers. Don't be surprised if in the first few weeks/months they're pumping out shocking twists and turns on shows that you'll be disappointed to have inevitably spoiled by waiting a day.

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    The most popular theory for that decision is that they're worried that NXT no longer being on the Network right away will lead to some fans canceling it and them putting it out a day later is a way to keep people subscribed. Whether that would've been a factor or not beats me; I know NXT is one of the most viewed programs on the Network but a) I'm pretty sure most viewership for the show is on demand anyway (not live) and b) it can't be definitively said if NXT is the reason a good chunk of subscribers are subscribed to begin with.

    I think the most telling thing about this situation is that NXT (and WWE has confirmed this themselves so its no speculation) will be only airing on USA for an hour the first two weeks (the 18th and the 25th) while the final hour airs on the Network; this is because Suits is wrapping up its final season and USA is giving that first priority. Maybe WWE does something to hook fans into going to the Network after the first hour but that's not ideal for fans (especially when they can watch the show on demand the next day on the Network with no hassle) and I think it highlights how quickly this thing was put together in order to combat AEW's show on Wednesday. That isn't to say NXT wouldn't have moved to cable eventually anyway (they would've) or that the show is in trouble (it's not). But it seems pretty obvious to me that things are moving faster than they would've normally and AEW is the cause of that.


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    Suits is still on TV!? Shit, I tapped out after Mike got out of jail. It just lost my interest after that season. How the hell did they continue that with one of the cast now being a member of the royal family?

    EDIT: Oh yeah, I'd say that on the first two weeks of NXT the TV version ends either in the middle of a really good match or with something crazy like The Rock showing up to do a promo.

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    It is apparently still on! My understanding (I haven't watched the show since season one but my father is a regular viewer) is that they just shifted focus from the Mike and Rachel characters to Harvey and Donna once Markle entered British Royalty. They also added Dule Hill and Katherine Heigl (who still has a career somehow) to make up for the losses. I can't speak for whether that's worked or not; all I can say is that USA very much loves the show and that's why this is happening.

    To your point Coach, I think you'd almost need The Rock or Steve Austin cutting a promo both of those weeks to get people to go from USA to the Network. Unless you're a diehard to end all diehards, you're more than likely going to want to wait till the next day to see all of NXT uninterrupted as opposed to going from USA to the Network (which isn't as much of a hassle as some will make it out to be, but is still a hassle). That's just more convenient and I'm not sure good wrestling (which you can find anywhere these days) is enough to get people to break that. If you can get a big star doing something interesting then sure, but otherwise I think they're going to see a lot of people watching the next day.

    The more I think about this, the more I'm beginning to realize that there are several disadvantages NXT has coming out of the gate. Yes WWE is going to promote the hell out of the show but TNT is going to do the same with AEW so that's a wash, and AEW has historical significance on their side given this is the first wrestling show on TNT since 2001. Most importantly, unless WWE is bringing people in right away, AEW is also going to have the advantage of having two big stars immediately available in Moxley (who is still hot even after the injury) and a Chris Jericho who is now catching fire thanks to his handling of the title situation and his "A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLAY!" silliness. Who does NXT have? They have a lot of really good workers but I think we'd all agree that none of them, at least at the moment, are recognizable names to the people flipping through channels the way Jericho and Moxley are. I honestly hadn't thought about it till now but it is something that could be very important, at least in the initial stages.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    It is apparently still on! My understanding (I haven't watched the show since season one but my father is a regular viewer) is that they just shifted focus from the Mike and Rachel characters to Harvey and Donna once Markle entered British Royalty. They also added Dule Hill and Katherine Heigl (who still has a career somehow) to make up for the losses. I can't speak for whether that's worked or not; all I can say is that USA very much loves the show and that's why this is happening.
    Hmm, maybe if the rest of the series ever makes its way to Netflix I'll finish it.

    To your point Coach, I think you'd almost need The Rock or Steve Austin cutting a promo both of those weeks to get people to go from USA to the Network. Unless you're a diehard to end all diehards, you're more than likely going to want to wait till the next day to see all of NXT uninterrupted as opposed to going from USA to the Network (which isn't as much of a hassle as some will make it out to be, but is still a hassle). That's just more convenient and I'm not sure good wrestling (which you can find anywhere these days) is enough to get people to break that. If you can get a big star doing something interesting then sure, but otherwise I think they're going to see a lot of people watching the next day.
    That's what I'm thinking. They need to end the TV portion of weeks one and two with something monumental to not only drive viewers to the Network, but also to establish that you are not going to want to miss this show on a weekly basis and risk it being spoiled for you. NXT is going to need to become the "anything can happen" show, which probably bodes well for its somewhat experimental nature to this point.

    If Adam Cole was in the ring cutting a promo only for The Rock's music to hit in the final 30 seconds, that would be enough to get people to jump to the Network.

    I actually also question how many viewers are even going to realize that only half of the show is airing on USA that first week. Only around half of WWE's weekly audience has the Network and out of that half that doesn't, I'd wager there's a There's a sizable portion of their audience that isn't following online wrestling day-to-day.

    The more I think about this, the more I'm beginning to realize that there are several disadvantages NXT has coming out of the gate. Yes WWE is going to promote the hell out of the show but TNT is going to do the same with AEW so that's a wash, and AEW has historical significance on their side given this is the first wrestling show on TNT since 2001. Most importantly, unless WWE is bringing people in right away, AEW is also going to have the advantage of having two big stars immediately available in Moxley (who is still hot even after the injury) and a Chris Jericho who is now catching fire thanks to his handling of the title situation and his "A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLAY!" silliness. Who does NXT have? They have a lot of really good workers but I think we'd all agree that none of them, at least at the moment, are recognizable names to the people flipping through channels the way Jericho and Moxley are. I honestly hadn't thought about it till now but it is something that could be very important, at least in the initial stages.
    NXT doesn't have the level of star power of Jericho or Moxley. But the one thing that helps them is that if they're running at Full Sail for the foreseeable future, a big portion of the TV roster resides within driving distance of the venue, especially the ones that went through NXT. If AEW is advertising a big main event, they could pretty easily get someone like Roman Reigns in to do a tag team match. They've also got legends like Michaels there all the time.

    Here's a weird thought: could we see John Cena become a semi-regular face on NXT? He's busy as hell, but he also lives a 40 minute flight away. They could use the star power of having him on the show, and the convenience for him not really having to travel is incredible. He's also the type of guy that would probably be happy to give back by working with them in some capacity and would probably enjoy having basically zero pressure on him.

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    Are both hours of NXT going to be on the network the next day still? If I had the network (I don't at the moment) i would still wait to watch on the network the next day when i can decide when to watch. The urgency to watch wrestling live isn't big for me unless I feel like its important i do so. Weekly WWE TV recently hasn't been that.

    Not to say the TV has been terrible lately, just not 'MUST watch live'
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    John Cena is booked solid for the next several years between filming for the new Fast and the Furious, the Suicide Squad sequel and an action film called The Janson Directive. On top of that, ever since The Rock got injured wrestling Cena at Wrestlemania back in 2013, insurance companies have been strongly hesitant to back actors who are also wrestling, and I know for a fact Stephen Amell couldn't get involved in anything AEW recently because the risk of injury could've disrupted filming of the final season of Arrow. I'm not saying its impossible but Cena's schedule would have to not only clear up really quickly but he'd also have to get permission from the filmmakers/production companies he's working for to wrestle and he'd probably have to get insured (which isn't likely). That's an option WWE should only try if there's no other option available, and even then it's very likely it wouldn't work.

    The best option is to maybe use someone like an HBK as a spokesperson and bring someone like a Daniel Bryan or even a Rey Mysterio to NXT. Rey is a known commodity who they aren't doing much with outside of this retirement angle, and Bryan is both a big star, someone who will appeal to NXT's built in audience (unlike Reigns, who might get rejected by the Full Sail crowd) AND a guy who'd have terrific matches with most the roster. That to me is the move. My guess is we likely won't get any of that at least initially. Triple H has indicated Vince will be hands off for the start and I believe that will be the case. The question becomes what happens if AEW's star power (which is bigger at the moment) and momentum has them beating NXT the majority of the time the first month. If that occurs then I could see Vince being a little more hands on and stars from the main roster coming in.


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    I think of the main roster guys who might show up, it'll be NXT graduates. Seth is an obvious one, but Big E, Sami, Shinsuke, Joe, Balor... Etc

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