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    I think that most people assume that's what's under the canvas, but I personally don't like showing it off. It's like how I know that Aleister Black doesn't rise from the stage like Dracula and it must be some sort of lift device, but I don't want to see how it's done.

    Part of the reason I don't like it is that the ring exists as it does for a reason, you're not supposed to know that there's padding there (even though you assume, and "everyone knows"), rings have skirts for a reason and it's not just to make it look professional or make it easier to hide your tools. Everything about the illusion has been carefully crafted and improved upon for generations (part of why I actually really like the LED skirts) and slowly that's stripped away.

    I have no problem with people knowing that all there is to fall on is a little big of padding, some wood planks and steel. I'm happy when people catch a glimpse of the ring going up or coming down and realize that it's not a trampoline or a mattress. It's just when it happens in the body of the show that I'm not a huge fan. When you see them setting up or tearing down a ring, it's something that a kid will go tell their friends about or my dad will tell his buddies who say how fake it all is. When you expose it during a match, especially one with all those bumps, it becomes "oh yeah, and Gargano took a DDT on the wood floor of the ring as a finish."

    At least it was the finish and it was a death bump that Gargano sold and had to be carted out after. They made it matter that as soon as that padding is pulled away if a guy bumps on there he's done. But what happens next time? When it's a false finish or just another big bump?

    Case in point: Kevin Owen's apron bomb. You bump in the centre of the ring of a reason, and that move killed people. It was this vicious thing that we hadn't seen in WWE before and Zayn was carted off on a stretcher and missed weeks (months?) of action because of it. They explained that it's the hardest part of the ring and there is absolutely no give and that doing it was a step too far for Owens. Fast forward to Takeover: Chicago II, and I didn't even react to the third apron bump of the night off of a major move four matches in. It's just another big bump in the middle of the match and I didn't even bite on the near fall.

    These things chip away at the foundation. If three years from now at Takeover: Brooklyn VI, Angelo Dawkins kicks out of Tucker Knight's powerbomb on the exposed wood as a false finish, why would I believe for a second that Braun Strowman could put Samoa Joe down with a running powerslam the next night in the main event of SummerSlam on the fully padded ring?

    These spots make for great moments and holy shit chants, but they chip away and it adds up as time goes by and these spots are revisited. KO can't keep Daniel Bryan out for three weeks with an apron bomb in 2018, but in 2014 Zayn didn't wrestle again for two months.

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    It's a shame to see the apron bomb watered down so much. That should be the go to for if you want to rid someone from your life for a while. Not just a high point of an episode.

    I thought Gargano vs Ciampa was marginally better than their NOLA fight. It was a bit overkill towards the end, especially with the handcuffs, but I suppose that added to the shock twist of fate that Gargano received by his defeated enemy rising from the dead one last time.

    Again, it was very violent, but I feel this match got across their hatred for each other than the NOLA match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    At least it was the finish and it was a death bump that Gargano sold and had to be carted out after. They made it matter that as soon as that padding is pulled away if a guy bumps on there he's done. But what happens next time? When it's a false finish or just another big bump?

    Case in point: Kevin Owen's apron bomb. You bump in the centre of the ring of a reason, and that move killed people. It was this vicious thing that we hadn't seen in WWE before and Zayn was carted off on a stretcher and missed weeks (months?) of action because of it. They explained that it's the hardest part of the ring and there is absolutely no give and that doing it was a step too far for Owens. Fast forward to Takeover: Chicago II, and I didn't even react to the third apron bump of the night off of a major move four matches in. It's just another big bump in the middle of the match and I didn't even bite on the near fall.

    These things chip away at the foundation. If three years from now at Takeover: Brooklyn VI, Angelo Dawkins kicks out of Tucker Knight's powerbomb on the exposed wood as a false finish, why would I believe for a second that Braun Strowman could put Samoa Joe down with a running powerslam the next night in the main event of SummerSlam on the fully padded ring?

    These spots make for great moments and holy shit chants, but they chip away and it adds up as time goes by and these spots are revisited. KO can't keep Daniel Bryan out for three weeks with an apron bomb in 2018, but in 2014 Zayn didn't wrestle again for two months.

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    I'm going to go out on a limb, but I think they might have written Gargano off for a while with that spot too. I hope he's not just going to come out on the next show, or the week after, and face Kona Reeves or some bullshit.

    The way I see it going is that Ciampa wins the title from Black at the next Takeover, they rematch at the Series weekend with Ciampa winning again, and then Gargano attacks him to set up a title match for the Rumble weekend.

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    Jesus, i do not think we need to see Ciampa/Gargano 4 times.. as much as i like the feud. Keep it simple and blow it off at Summerslam weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LK3185 View Post
    Jesus, i do not think we need to see Ciampa/Gargano 4 times.. as much as i like the feud. Keep it simple and blow it off at Summerslam weekend.
    I'm with you. They're 1-1, do the straight rubber match. And I don't think that it needs to be for the title. It's always great to have two drawing matches on a card.

    I really want to see Ciampa and Gargano blown off in Hell in a Cell at Takeover SummerSlam weekend. I'd like it to be the old, smaller HIAC cage because NXT is the "smaller" brand (and because they aren't exactly hulking guys and I think that the new giant cage will make them look tiny inside) and I'd like it to be the only HIAC match NXT has for a very, very, very long time.

    Then both men move on to bigger and better things. One to the main roster -- maybe Ciampa because they could use some fresh heel blood on SmackDown -- and one to the NXT Title.

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    Well, I've heard the feud compared to the HHH/HBK feud of the 2000s, and that featured 5 PPV singles matches, and 4 more on TV, so... yeah, hoping they don't go all the way down that road.

    I like the ring canvas getting stripped on very rare occasion, but I do agree then you've gotta treat it as a really big deal, not just another random set piece for a visual pop and not much meaning.

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    Just to point out, I was only suggesting one more Gargano vs Ciampa match in that story up there - go Ciampa vs Black I at Summerslam, then Ciampa vs Black II at Survivor Series, then Ciampa vs Gargano III (which is technicall IV including the CWC, but whatever) at the Rumble, while writing Gargano out until Ciampa has the title.

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    I do think a Black/Ciampa/Gargano triple threat could work really well at some point. Would be a nice mix of a lot of things and I feel like the chemistry would be on point.

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    I would also be in favour of a triple threat between these guys. The Gargano Ciampa storyline has been done well, but it's at the point where they should move past their differences and tie it in with NXT gold again. I definitely hole this is the road NXT creative goes down.
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    I think I've changed my tune regarding my post above:

    Is it just me, or is anyone else ready to move on from the Gargano Ciampa stuff? Gargano's character performance last night said to me he is still suffering emotionally from what happened in Chicago. I get it and all, but it's time to move on for me.
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    I want a third match badly, and I’m pretty sure it’ll happen SummerFest weekend. I think the storytelling is great and totally disagree with whoever said the two are exactly where they were when they started this feud. We need the rubber match.

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    There's gonna be a third match. Even if you don't want it, its going to happen and frankly would be weird if it didn't cause they're not moving them up anytime soon.

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    Just wanted to call out how amazing the Moustache Mountain v Undisputed Era tag team match was.

    SPOILER AHEAD - if you haven't seen the match DON'T READ THIS just watch the match.

    Amazing performances from all around but especially Trent Severn who just sold and sold and sold and sold. The story and psycholody that they bought to the match was so good and perfectly executed. Watching the pain on Tyler Bate's face while he saw these two hyenas just tear up his partners need was incredible and pulling out the towel was an inspired choice. Bate has had some really good matches in the WWE even one or two great ones but this was the first time I'd say he told a really great story.

    I have to admit I was not a huge fan of the Undisputed Era when they first showed up but over the last few months and particularly since Roddy Strong joined them, they seem to just be one upping themselves over and over again. Strong in particular has gone from someone I have next to no interest in to someone I am coming around on as he has been able to show a viscous, competitive streak.

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    That tag match was tremendous. Nonstop action and I like how Seven kept selling the leg.

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