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    The main page has an article where Meltzer says this about why he thinks that the Revival won on Monday:

    “Since the Usos beat the SmackDown Tag Team Champions they can lose now even though they’re going for the SmackDown Tag Team Championship. Because it’s 50/50 so since they won the bigger one they can lose the smaller one. So that’s the way they book which to me is like so completely counterproductive,” Meltzer said.

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    So, are these guys really the 'most likely to be out the door', or is that just the 'net talking/wishful thinking?

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    I'm not sure - the last I read from Dash was that the rumours they asked for their release were a bit inflated and they were actually quite happy.

    I suspect they are easily and often linked with leaving because they seem relatively friendly with the Young Bucks - or, at least, interact with them a bit on Twitter - plus I think have been referenced in the YouTube series the Elite do a few times. And given that there's somewhere for them to go to work with those guys, which is a bit of a dream match for the internet fan at least, the links get made and the rumours start to build, so it's also easy for websites to make a mountain out of a minor point that gives them a story which gets clicks. Plus, I suspect the same type of fan is not that happy with their position on the main roster, either.

    Who knows what the future holds for them, but right now I've settled into them being on WWE TV for the long-term. Which is fine. There are lots of good matches they can have with current main roster, and the up and coming NXT, teams.

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    Keep cashing those WWE paychecks until their contract is up.

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    I hear there's a very lucrative offer on the table.

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    From the WWE?

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    Natch.

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    If i was the Revival, I would ask for everything. Like:

    • Not being treated like garbage
    • Being allowed to be the Revival - the tag team specialist
    • Not being a comedy act
    • Guaranteeing Some lengthy title runs. etc



    if not, then jump ship to AEW, where they will allow them to be who they are.

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    To be honest, I don't think it matters what they ask for. There just aren't the main roster tag teams to make that division thrive, nor does there seem to be a will for it to thrive on the main roster. Raw has, what, Raiders, Profits, Club, and AoP? Smackdown has New Day, Usos, Revival...is that it? Lucha House Party are nowhere, the Colons are nowhere...

    Let's be honest as well, it's not like there's a thriving division on NXT just waiting to burst through - Undisputed Era, sure, but then what? Forgotten Sons? Anybody else? Oney and Twoey must still be there somewhere, and I suppose Breezango.

    I really think WWE needs to utilise their roster better to flesh out the tag division. They've got so many guys they aren't using, for whatever reason, and yet a division that could use 2/3 teams added to it on both shows to really boost it. Throw, I don't know, EC3 in with, I don't know, Tony Nese. Call them The Narcissists. Let them have a little tag team run. Chuck Carillo and Ricochet together. Gulak and Crews. Just add a couple of teams on each show and at least make it feel like there's a real division.

    There was literally a match on Raw that was all three of the teams on the show facing off.

    I don't think 'jumping ship to AEW' is going to really matter, although they might get some good matches out of it. Ultimately I don't think anybody really cares that much about AEW when we're talking about the main roster shows. Maybe NXT behind the scenes. And The Revivial aren't a big enough deal to move the needle dramatically for AEW, so it's kind of an empty threat if they were to walk in and say 'oh, we'll leave if you don't give us this'.

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    However, with a smaller roster, and 'stats that matter', the Revival can come into AEW and immediately become the Tag Champs. I can just imagine the No Flips just fists style that they are completely taking over and countering the All Flips, no fists tag division of AEW. Plus Kahn will pay them very well.

    They would also get the spotlight as the first major people to jump ship. They would move the needle more than Harper would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    If i was the Revival, I would ask for everything. Like:

    • Not being treated like garbage
    • Being allowed to be the Revival - the tag team specialist
    • Not being a comedy act
    • Guaranteeing Some lengthy title runs. etc



    if not, then jump ship to AEW, where they will allow them to be who they are.
    You want to know why this is ridiculous? Because they have very little bargaining power. Revival are very good, so don't take anything I'm about to say as an insult.

    But their value to WWE is easily replaceable. Face facts, but good in-ring workers are a dime a dozen. Dawson has some above average ability on the mic, so he's a better talent overall in my opinion, but in the end, SD could draft up Forgotten Sons and they'd get the same reaction as the Revival with the same booking.

    This isn't to say WWE wouldn't offer Revival a boost. If the supposed fear of losing anyone to AEW is as accurate as the internet attempts to force me to believe, then Vince might agree.
    With that in mind, who says Vince will stick to that promises? How many former WWE talents have come out to say they were told they'd be getting "such and such title" and then never get it?

    I love tag wrestling, and I think WWE does a great disservice to their roster by not putting in more effort into the division. AEW might have awful matches for my taste, but there's no denying that tag wrestling is a huge part of the show, and therefore AEW's success. But even in a tag division as well established as AEW's, The Revival are still just a cog in the wheel. The jump itself will get notice, but they aren't superstars that can really rock the boat. This isn't Nash or Hall moving to WCW in 96, this is IRS becoming VK Wallstreet.


    One last point, anyone who walks into Vince's office that says "no more comedy" is shooting themselves in the foot. First, limiting what you're willing to do is never smart. And comedy is a big part of connecting with the audience. Heel or face, comedy has been a big part of so many careers. Obviously the Usos catching Revival in the shower was silly, and not entertaining the way WWE were likely hoping it to be. But Revival have very good comedy chops. They should take advantage of it, but not with the standard WWE comedy style. And you can't really dictate the type of comedy you're willing to do.

    Honestly, I feel they've either already made up their minds on whether to switch or stay, and no bargaining is going to matter if that's the case. But AEW is still small potatoes. Sometimes it's better to be the big fish in the smaller pond. It worked well when Christian went to TNA, and everyone else who went in that direction, before coming back to WWE. Just a change of scenery would be great for them. There's no denying how much Drew Galloway/McIntyre changes between his 2 WWE runs, and he's a much more captivating worker now. Maybe Revival can move over, and evolve even more as a team, and then get all the promises met from Vince/HHH 3-4 years from now.

    But if you think Vince is gonna shake in his boots when Dash Wilder says "no more comedy", you're kidding yourself.

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    Vince also doesn't make these promises to people. He's not going to write "lengthy" title reigns into a contract and bind himself to them legally.

    None of this is stuff Vince would ever agree to. Besides, one person's idea of "being treated like garbage" and another person's are two completely different things. They had a decent run alongside Orton last year, that's not being treated like garbage. Is not winning every match as part of some sort of Goldberg-like streak being treated like garbage? They're not laying down for the local enhancement guys.

    Revival have had a decent run in the company. It's sort of like saying that WWE "wasted" Cesaro, or Rusev, or insert your favourite wrestler here, as if they were some can't miss prospect that was going to light the world completely on fire and WWE squandered it. The Revival are Gallows and Anderson, without the Japan run. They're, as Pen alluded, The Forgotten Sons with more crowd support.

    They're an excellent unit in the ring, in a company that isn't really concerned with tag team wrestling. But they haven't been treated like garbage. They've been on the main roster for about three years and one has been hurt for probably a year of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    It's sort of like saying that WWE "wasted" Cesaro, or Rusev, or insert your favourite wrestler here, as if they were some can't miss prospect that was going to light the world completely on fire and WWE squandered it.
    Quoted for truth.
    People truly overrate their favorites. I'm likely in the same category, though I feel like I take a look at the full picture better than most.

    Cesaro is likely the single best in ring worker in WWE today. He can make anyone look golden, while he never looks terrible in the meantime. But he's just not a star. Being the best wrestler doesn't mean you deserve a main event run. No one wants to see him with a mic. And to everyone ready to reply "give him a manager", you're ridiculous. Managers help talents get to a higher level, but you'll be challenged to find a midcard character being elevated to the main event thanks to his manager. Managers aren't the saviors online fans like to think they are. They can help, but they aren't the solution.

    Aleister Black on the otherhand can talk. He can work. And he is a true prospect. He's a guy that has true main event breakout star potential. He connects with the audience, is truly unique.

    So why would WWE put more effort into Cesaro when they can concentrate on Aleister instead?

    Many people need to realize just how stacked the WWE roster is. There are pros and cons to it, but it always means that some really talented guys still aren't as important to the big picture as online pundits claim. Revival is definitely among them. Even if you look at just the tag division, they aren't as valuable as New Day, Viking Raiders, Street Profits, Usos, or Undisputed Era. They belong in that mix, and arguably may be the best wrestlers of the bunch, but there are plenty of fresher teams with more upside, or more established teams that connect more with the audience.
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    I will own that I probably overrate them, because while there's a bunch of acts on the WWE roster that could get me to watch if they were altered and made some changes of their own.... you'd really only have to tinker around the edges of Revival. And they are probably alone in that. So it's hard not to overrate them when you see a clear route to fans like me through them.

    With that said, I think the reason I sort of disagree with the two points above is... that almost everyone could have more gotten out of them than WWE actually manages. So I'm not sure I think it's overrating someone to say that they might want to do more, elsewhere, or that it's unreasonable to want more from your favourites when the people that are favoured don't really get much to write home about anyway.

    Though I agree that those demands ain't happening. The offer is there to deny them to AEW, but it doesn't mean that they have a huge amount of bargaining power with the WWE. Almost any team going could fit into the role they've been playing for Vince, and that'll ultimately determine how much ground he'd be willing to give up once it went beyond money.


    So I guess in summary, I definitely overrate my favourites, I don't blame anyone for doing that when most of the people on the show are already throwaway even if they are in the select few, and hardly anyone is going to have that kind of bargaining power. I'd also be sceptical about how much they are going to get paid by AEW. I think only a handful of people make big money for them?

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