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    I don't think 'Plan has seen this thread for a while, to be honest.

    Not sure if that last comment of mine was right though - the buzz seems to have quietened a bit in the last few weeks. Maybe it feels different if you're watching, I dunno.

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    I think he's probably still the best in ring part of Raw, to be honest. Helps that he's back with The Shield, for sure, but in terms of in ring performance his last 10 months have been next level.

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    There's definitely been a bit of a dip for him, and I'm a bit bitter about it. It's 2016 Ambrose all over again. He goes into Summerslam as the hottest thing in the company by an immense difference, but they protect the Roman Reigns project at all cost and, before you know it, there goes another chance to create a certified mega-star.

    Rollins has a knack of getting back to where he was though, and especially when he's opposite Ambrose. If that pans out how we all expect it too I fully expect the buzz to be earned back again. Though you never can quite predict what wrestling fans will do next, especially when it comes to WWE.

    Plus, like Oli says, the fact remains that he's been in another stratosphere to everyone else in the company for all of 2018 so far. And I'll happily argue that till I'm blue in the face. Only Mustafa Ali would have me second-guessing that assertion.

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    I mean, he's making Ziggler interesting in singles bouts. The last person that really nailed on a regular basis was Rey.

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    Had a bunch of 2018 Rollins matches recommended to me so thought I'd spread a few reviews around here...


    The Miz vs. Braun Strowman vs. Seth Rollins vs. Elias vs. John Cena vs. Finn Balor vs. Roman Reigns, Gauntlet 2/19/18 WWE Raw

    This is the big 100+ minute match from earlier this year, obviously. The big story coming out of this at the time was Rollins wrestled for more than an hour and pinned both Roman Reigns and John Cena, and it restarted his momentum as a prospective top contender after being on the back burner. Personally, while I respect Rollins ability to go that long, I actually didn't find his part of the match that compelling. The stuff with Reigns left little impression on me, and while his run with Cena was definitely better, it still felt rather emotionless to me. Two guys doing big moves but seemingly without strategy or urgency, or at least that's how I read it. For me it actually picked up when Elias came in, as he immediately started working heel and gave the match some much needed characterization. The match kept picking up from there until we got to the best stretch, which was Miz first picking the bones of Finn Balor only to then realize in a picture perfect moment that Strowman was left to come. Their entire stretch was a joy to watch and honestly seemed to have the most crowd reaction of the bunch, at least to my ears. Overall I did enjoy this and thought it was great at times, though I suspect those times are the opposite of what others liked about the match.

    The Miz vs. Seth Rollins vs. Finn Balor, WWE Intercontinental Championship 4/8/18 WWE Wrestlemania 34

    This was mentioned at the time of Wrestlemania as one of the three contenders for MOTN, and while I don't think it compared to the mixed tag or Asuka/Charlotte, I would say it was quite good overall. I can't fault the athletic ability of Rollins and Balor, though I find them both to be a bit robotic at times. The Miz felt like the anchor of this to me, keeping it going with character work and storytelling to supplement the barrage of big moves. Exciting stuff, I dug it.

    Seth Rollins vs. Finn Balor, WWE Intercontinental Championship 4/30/18 WWE Raw

    I'll just say up front, I didn't care for this. It was more indy than the stereotype of indy matches, just two athletic guys being athletic but seemingly employing no strategy, no real character on either side, and none of the moves seemed to mean a thing. At one point Rollins his a superplex, then Balor no sold it and hit his own move literally a second later. Nothing against those who liked this match, I know many did, but to me it was very dull. I think these guys need to be mixed up with people who aren't so similar to their own style.

    The Miz vs. Seth Rollins, WWE Intercontinental Championship 5/6/18 WWE Backlash

    Like this match! Of all the Rollins matches recommended, this was definitely the best, a really fantastic match. The way they played off each other was really beautiful at times, and the stuff with Seth's knee and the incredible nearfalls at the end were great. Rollins did a great job here, let me be clear, but if anything this set has convinced me it's Miz who is the best main roster guy the WWE has in the ring! His attention to detail and ability to build matches that are actively engaging rather than merely athletic is so valuable to me.

    Seth Rollins vs. Dolph Ziggler, Iron Man, WWE Intercontinental Championship 7/15/18 WWE Extreme Rules

    Polar opposite here, have to say in all honestly I hated this match, and it had nothing to do with the crowd chanting for the stupid buzzer. The thing is, the crowd didn't do that at the start. They seemed like they wanted to be into it. But when Rollins started racking up pins 4 minutes in with 3rd tier offense, I guess the fans got the message loud and clear that nothing was going to matter in this match until the end, and they quickly lost interest. I can't really blame them at all, what a heatless match this was overall. 7 falls in less than 10 minutes?? Good night. And apparently Drew McIntyre hitting some medium level offense was enough to kill Rollins for 4 falls straight. Lord of absolutely mercy. And what the heck was with Ziggler trying to leave at the end? How can he not know a countout will still lose him the title in this kind of match? Like, day 1 stuff here. The fact that it was all a big hooplah for Ziggler just to win anyway makes me think WWE actively wanted the fans to despise this match, and it sure worked on me!

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    30 minute Ironman matches are pointless regardless who is in it or what the crowd is doing.

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    Check out Seth vs KO from i think few weeks after Extreme Rules on Raw.. its the night KO "quit' and honestly felt it was way better match that Seth had against Ziggler.

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    I hate any ironman match that has an early pinfall. It doesn't make any sense, really, given that normally these guys can go for 15-20 minutes before a pin in a normal match. Early tapouts I get given the self-preservation angle, but early pinfalls always strike me as weird.

    Would far rather see a half hour match end 1-0 or 1-1 rather than 3-2. Plus, surely there's more drama in building up to a single pin in half an hour, especially with five minutes of someone desperate to get back on level terms, than in spreading the pins out? The drama is always in those last few minutes.

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    ^Bingo

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    Strongly agree on disliking 30 man Iron Mans in general unless they are handled really well. I will check out that Owens/Seth match, LK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I hate any ironman match that has an early pinfall. It doesn't make any sense, really, given that normally these guys can go for 15-20 minutes before a pin in a normal match. Early tapouts I get given the self-preservation angle, but early pinfalls always strike me as weird.
    This is one of those things were the thing that makes sense actually suffers because we've accepted things that don't make sense as normal. Obviously in a sporting context a fall could happen early, for the same reason that some knockouts happen in the first round and some fights go the distance, and for the same reason that some football matches end scoreless while some have a goal in the first minute. Mistakes happen, sometimes someone catches their opponent out. It is the norm for a sporting contest.

    The trouble is that as wrestling has become less and less a facsimile of a catch-wrestling contest and more of a display of moves, and the chances of someone being caught out by a mundane move decreases, when you try and invoke those perfectly sensible things they feel strange. Essentially we've rationalised the il-logic of contemporary pro wrestling, and the good sense of that kind of accumulation in the ironman match seems to be one of the victims of that.

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    I could accept a pin fall in the first minute if it came as some sort of surprise move that one the competitors had never used before, so their opponent has no idea itís coming and doesnít recognize the set up. Ie... if Rollins threw a roaring elbow and essentially knocked out his opponent as soon as the bell rang. Whereas, letís say HBK shouldnít be able to connect with Sweet Chin Music in the opening seconds because heís known for doing that, this his opponent should be well aware thatís a possibility thatís coming.

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    I mean even there. Sometimes in sport you know something is coming but you're not good enough in the moment to stop it. You make a mistake, or they are just better than you are in that minute. Hell, Stanley Matthews had one move on the football field but was famously that good at it that no one was able to stop him. So there's nothing logically wrong with it if you present it right. It just feels weird because 99% of the wrestling matches we've seen in the past 15 years haven't worked like that.

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