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    We're probably getting Jay White vs. Tanahashi for the WK contract at the very least. Could also see Jericho at King of Pro Wrestling.. if his cruise is later? i forget.

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    Jericho's cruise is at the end of October. I took a quick glance now at the Fozzy tour dates and he has a show on September 29 and another on October 6, then a break until November 7. He can appear at Fighting Spirit Unleashed to set something up for King Of Pro Wrestling, but that's pretty short notice and he's probably have to arrive to Japan on the day of the show. He's obviously crazy enough to do that, but I'm guessing he'll hold off maybe until Power Struggle.

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    This is me going back to check out a G1 match that Xan suggested, that I missed the first time through!

    Zack Sabre Jr vs. SANADA 7/21/18 NJPW G1 Climax Day 6

    I'll say this, Sabre may very well be my favorite guy working New Japan right now, he's really won me over in the past year or two and now I can't get enough of him. What I really liked about this is most guys come to wrestle Zack with the same game plan, only to be drawn into and then abused by his super technical style. But SANADA, he came prepared! He had Sabre scouted and intended from the word go to not only play the technical game, but to win it. Zack did an amazing job selling his frustration and increasing his urgency as SANADA foiled him many times over. This was smart, told a really good story, and perhaps most importantly never overstayed it's welcome. This is a great little match and to be honest I like it more than some of the much more hyped G1 matches from this year! Not the absolute best, might you, but in the upper tier for my taste.

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    Although I'm posting this in the New Japan thread, this bit of news relates to a lot of wrestling promotions.

    A few Japanese wrestling promotions are coming together to put on a special event to commemorate Giant Baba's 20th anniversary of his death. It'll take place February 19, 2019 at Ryogoku Kokugikan (Sumo Hall). Among the companies involved will be New Japan, All Japan, NOAH, Wrestle-1 and Big Japan. This is pretty huge to have all of these companies come together, and given the professional wrestling landscape across the globe it comes at a great time. There aren't many details released yet - there's no card announced yet, who will be participating, if they'll broadcast it somewhere, etc. I'm sure more info will trickle down soon.

    Given that each company has separate broadcasting partners, it probably won't be on any streaming service like NJPW World or AJPW TV (most likely it'll be shown at some point on Samurai TV here in Japan). As for the matches, the consensus is that it'll consist of a lot of multi-man matches since it's probably impossible to have opposing companies come to agreements on singles matches. Still, one can dream, right? I'd kill to have some singles matches like Okada or Tanahashi vs. Kento Miyahara, or Tomohiro Ishii vs. Daisuke Sekimoto.

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    That is really cool, though I agree I wouldn't hold my breath for any dream singles matches. If they can do even 1 or 2 though that could be really awesome. I want to see Ishikawa bulldoze some big NJPW name.

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    Anyone following the Super Jr. Tag League matches? I've watched a handful of the matches and it seems fun. I'm really digging the team of Takagi and BUSHI.

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    I'm up for some suggestions. I flat out do not have time for full shows but watching single matches has proved a nice way of breaking things up when I have down time at the hospital.



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    I like how they're packing the field on the tag league at the moment - four teams on four points, four on two, with the chance for things to change pretty rapidly.

    I really enjoyed Roppongi 3K vs Eagles and Ishimori. Fun little bout.

    Other news: Jay White says he has a mole in CHAOS. That's hopefully not something NJPW let go, but could be pretty big in the future. I'm kind of hoping it's not Beretta, because that would likely been shenanigans at Power Struggle, but if it is it at least gives him something higher profile than just milling about in CHAOS.

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    I hope it's Ishii. Dude has played the good soldier better than anyone with arguably nothing to show for it in terms of main event titles.

    Basically I just want something that will give Ishii a boost.

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    Oh, me too - you know I'm all aboard the Ishii train!

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    I also think he's the one guy that could shake Okada's hold on CHAOS. Right now White's attempt looks a bit lame but if he turned a cornerstone like Ishii then suddenly you'd have to take it a lot more seriously.

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    It's Big Dust. The bastard has been playing Lil Kazu like a fiddle this whole time!


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    Haha I totally thought of that but I don't want it to be true. He's so lovable.

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    So, interesting new story today that Naito was offered, and immediately declined, a WWE contract after Dominion earlier this year.

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    I'm not sure why that's interesting; I would have expected him to turn that down. What's the evidence for a Japanese talent having success in WWE?

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    What Xan said, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out more Japanese talent turned down a WWE contract. With Naito, Kenny Omega hit it right on the head that the tranquilo one's charcter is very Japanese. As in it the message behind it doesn't exactly ring the same outside of Japan, it's very reflective of current Japanese culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheImplications View Post
    What Xan said, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out more Japanese talent turned down a WWE contract. With Naito, Kenny Omega hit it right on the head that the tranquilo one's charcter is very Japanese. As in it the message behind it doesn't exactly ring the same outside of Japan, it's very reflective of current Japanese culture.
    I mean, it does resonate, but the person behind it speaks Japanese and not English. I'm 100% sure that if he spoke English, it would translate very well.

    No news here. Seriously, what did they expect? Naito's in his late 30's but unlike Nakamura in control of his stable, is in the middle of a long story arch, and in the company he's always wanted to be in. That, and he has control of his character there. In WWE, he'd lose that. Him, more so than anyone else I can think of, needs that to flourish.

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    Nakamura was always one of the few who I thought would go to WWE. Maybe if WWE had more of a foothold in Japan, it would be different. Plus, any guys interested, have to see that their friends aren't exactly treated like Kings like they would be in Japan... The only draw i see would be a new challenge.

    In Japan, you also don't have to work as much.

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    I think it's quite possible we may be seeing Nakamura back in Japan soon himself. There's word out there that a top WWE star (which Nakamura arguably is) has a New Japan offer on the table for just as much cash WWE is paying him for fewer dates. As far as I know the only people who have deals coming up are AJ, Gallows, Anderson and Nakamura. Gallows and Anderson aren't top guys in any sense of the word and AJ seems unlikely to leave so that really leaves Nakamura. And given how it's been a mixed run for him (he has gotten opportunities and all but has either been let down by bad booking or his own lackluster performance) it wouldn't shock me if he says "I gave it three years, now it's time to go back" and returns.

    Regardless, Lazyking's point is spot on. The fact that there's a ceiling for Nakamura and other former New Japan stars not named AJ Styles would make it seem like guys like Naito and co aren't too keen on making the jump. Throw in how most of them did grow up working for New Japan or All Japan (which people don't realize were legit in the 90's) and it all makes sense.


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    I don't know why people are thinking that it's a no-brainer that Naito didn't want a WWE contract. It's not completely insane for any current hot wrestler to want to go to the WWE. There's a potential for more money, more exposure, tackling new challenges, and achieving personal and professional goals. Unless you personally know someone very closely, you never know what their true desires are in life. People are complicated like that.

    The key word here, however, is potential. It's definitely not guaranteed that any or all of these things will happen. Like everything in life, it's a gamble. You never know if moving to another city/country or getting a new job will be better for you. You can do you best to make an educated guess, but who knows. That applies here too. We could live in a world where Naito goes to the WWE and becomes one of their top guys. Based on the WWE's history, though, it'll most likely be Naito not doing much of note for a few years.

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    I could defintely see Nakamura returning to Japan. He wanted to do it, and I think he likes the culture but he's old and maybe doesn't want to be on the road as much.

    There's so many factors in a Japanese Wrestler not wanting to work for WWE full time, moreso than the other way because at least in Japan, there's a system and there's more built in off time still. The style is a bit more rough, but you're working less and not in singles matches every night. Sure, New Japan is ramping up their schedule a bit but if you're a top guy there, making really good money... I don't see the big need to leave.

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    I've always wondered how much money do New Japan guys make. I've read that Okada makes over $2 million a year, but does that extend down to the rest of the roster? I'm sure the top-tier guys (Tanahashi, Naito, Omega) make great money, but I wonder how much it is comparable to a mid-tier or upper-level WWE salary.

    Japan has a weird salary structure here. TV talents and other celebs make insane amounts of money, but normal office jobs pay pathetic salaries. Hopefully New Japan leans towards the celeb part of the scale.

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    Hard for me to speculate, only to say that given how WWE views talent, they're not going after Japanese midcard talent... if there's a hook or something about them that makes them unique. That's who they want. I imagine lower card talent, are getting enough where they're not actively looking elsewhere. I also get a sense, and I don't know this, that the Japanese are very loyal.

    Things like Shingo becoming a freelancer came off like a big deal.. Almost a disrespect.. If i'm reading that wrong, I apolgize. Now, WWE is probably looked at differently but If i'm correct, maybe talent don't even look to going elsewhere unless they're at a certain level.

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    I think WWE would want Yano in their midcard; he seems like he would fit in well there, actually.

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    I don't know about that, they never did anything with Cabana who is also mostly a comedy wrestler.

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    Just reading the reports that, based on Meltzer's recent comments, it seems there's a possibility Hiromu Takahashi never wrestles again. Super sad news if true.

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    God, that's devastating. He's been so brilliant the past few years so it'd be a great loss for wrestling, not to mention how that must affect him on a personal level.

    I think when he got hurt people went overboard with the "New Japan style is more dangerous" narrative, shit can always happen, but I would like to see a pulling back on certain risky head/neck moves, not just in New Japan but anywhere. There'll always be risk, I know, but I just hate when stuff like this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    God, that's devastating. He's been so brilliant the past few years so it'd be a great loss for wrestling, not to mention how that must affect him on a personal level.

    I think when he got hurt people went overboard with the "New Japan style is more dangerous" narrative, shit can always happen, but I would like to see a pulling back on certain risky head/neck moves, not just in New Japan but anywhere. There'll always be risk, I know, but I just hate when stuff like this happens.
    I think it's partially pro wrestling as a whole, but I think it's also the juniors style of wrestling. I get it, they have to compete for recognition (and payday) with the heavyweights, many of whom can fly, too. That makes them eager to do more dangerous stuff in order to stand out from the heavyweights. But that style has just kind of hit a tipping point.

    I go back to Ospreay's Spanish fly from the apron where he hurt himself. That move in the ring, or just on the padded floor would have gotten the same reaction and been a fraction as dangerous. There needs to be a governor put on some guys. There's a time and a place for gigantic, unnecessary bumps and not every night is WrestleKingdom.

    Look at the Young Bucks. They are putting on these must-see matches that are fast and high flying and nonstop action, but they aren't dropping people on their heads or really taking any of these gigantic, unnecessary bumps anymore.

    (What has this business come to when I'm saying "slow it down boys, look at the Young Bucks"?!?!?!?!!?)

    I feel terrible for Takahashi. He's so talented. I hope that if he can't return to the ring, NJPW has a front office role for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    but I would like to see a pulling back on certain risky head/neck moves,
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    There's a time and a place for gigantic, unnecessary bumps and not every night is WrestleKingdom.
    Second both of these points. I've felt for a long time that part of the reason I don't feel when I see so much of this stuff is it happens so often. When Foley flew off the cage it's obscene, but it also happened in one half of the main event at a big show, and I'd never seen anything like that before. Basically you have to build things up to earn those kinda spots and do them sparingly, or they just start to mean nothing.... and then, what's the point?

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    This is another thing that just defines the era we live in. Wrestlers are going to work faster to try to get any reaction they can when they lack other skills but its also what's expected from a certain style. Does it need head and neck bumps? No.. but more wrestlers are going to have short careers, filled with injuries if they keep it up.

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    This whole "few neck bumps, workers working too fast" discussion would be much be much more meaningful if any of that applied to how Hiromu's injury occurred. The problem is it doesn't; Hiromu got hurt on a move that he'd taken several times before from Dragon Lee in CMLL (something people should know, but don't because lucha libre only matters when guys are throwing bricks at each other or the Botchamania guy is posting clips of Vampiro making an ass of himself), one that has the guy landing on the upper part of his back, not his neck. Unfortunately Lee slipped doing the move. It wasn't Shibata headbutting Okada unnecessarily or Nia Jax coldcocking Becky Lynch; it was an accident, the only time Lee has severely hurt someone with the move (though he did knock El Dragon Azteca Jr. loopy with it once) and the only major injury Takahashi had. It's no different than Seth Rollins buckle bombing Sting or Samoa Joe hitting Tyson Kidd with a Muscle Buster, beyond the fact that Kidd had neck issues and Sting was too old to take that bump. It had nothing to do with how fast the match was being worked and the neck only comes in to play because of the botch; if hit safely Hiromu would've landed on his back and we aren't having this conversation.

    I should also point out that this talk of Hiromu being done is vastly premature. Meltzer's New Japan sources are notoriously hit and miss (remember when he was told the Shibata thing was a work?) and right before he reported this Hiromu himself came out and and said he was 93% recovered and could be returning soon. So let's not start his retirement speech yet and most definitely not start up the whole "that was too dangerous" debate over a move the man had taken safely every time before then. It's one thing if it were Ospreay doing the Spanish Fly for no reason, but this was/is a move Lee does all the time and doesn't hurt anyone with. Accidents happen. I think we need to remember that before automatically assuming things aren't safe.


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    I think we're having a fundamental misunderstanding of what I mean when I'm taking about unsafe neck bumps. Those bumps where you're supposed to land super high on your shoulders are exactly what I'm talking about. Things like that bullshit bomb, where even when you land right, you land really high. They're dangerous. They're putting a lot of unneeded pressure on the neck and shoulders and putting a lot of wear and tear on guys.

    There's a reason you bump the way you do. It's to keep your body safe. Moves like that might land safe more times than not, but it only takes one. And even if you hit it perfect every single time, you're doing damage landing that way and it's only a matter of time before it's one too many. The bump card is a real thing, and those super high bumps make it shorter and shorter and are going to shorten careers. Even if Takahashi makes it back, his career is going to be shortened and his style will have to be modified.

    Omega could drop people high on his OWA, but he lands them flat. Iishi drops guys flat on a BRAINBUSTER. Even a good German should drop guys flat.

    Just because Dragon Lee is a lucha guy who does that move all the time doesn't give him and it a free pass or make it safe. It's not, and moves like that shouldn't happen.

    Pro wrestling is a work and an art form. You're supposed to be able to make us look like you're dropping guys super high without actually doing so.

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    Read that post. Haven't changed my mind.

    People too much, and take too many big chances. The number of times you have taken something before is kinda irrelevant. Those big moves, hey even lots of ones we take for granted now, there's only so many you can take before something will go wrong, or cumulative damage will get to you. And it only takes one to go wrong badly enough....

    Accidents and mistakes happen, and that's why the amount of risk generally has to be reigned back in, for my money. I've got no problem with people going above and beyond a couple of times a year to help sell the finish to a big bout, but that's about the limit.

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    Haha, I almost included "at the risk of angering Cult again" in my original post! Definitely get where you're coming from, Iken, but I do still side with Coach on this one. Even done right or repeatedly, I get uncomfortable with moves that have that extra level of danger to the neck/head. I'm not saying they shouldn't be done at all, just that sometimes they make me uncomfortable as a fan. And yeah, I know there are lots of other kinds of moves that can also carry a big risk, and that there's a level of hypocrisy in worrying about one style when all styles have risks and can be damaging. Still though, I feel like there's risk and then there's risk, and it's not a Hiromu/New Japan/Lucha thing, it's a wrestling thing.

    And brother, you know I've watched me some Dragon Lee and Kamaitachi!
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    On some level, I've detached myself from worrying about wrestlers and their bodies.. They are going to do what they want But in knowing that, I want to see the people I enjoy wrestle be able to do it as much as they are able.. Its not entirely because of the head bumps or a faster style but 20 years ago you weren't expected to bump half as much... And that's gotta wear on a body when you're working a bump heavy style with almost same amount of matches...

    THEN you throw in those big bumps where if we're being honest, mean less if you do them every show (looking at you apron bumps) its not a shock when more wrestlers have concussions and neck issues. I just feel like while I don't mind watching a certain match that has insane bumps, most of the time i'm like 'that wasn't needed'

    Hiromu is a very talented wrestler, who's style in the ring would have led to short career anyway.. Just unfortunate that his career will be altered now due to his neck. He could come back, but he won't be the same guy.

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    Ugh, very sick of apron bumps in general. They've lost all all appeal to me, one of the most overdone things in all of wrestling.

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    The Takeover show before last overdid it for me and soured me on apron bumps completely. There were so many, that by the time they did a big one in one of the main event matches, it meant absolutely nothing.

    That goes to an issue I have with Takeover shows overall, but isn't really the point.

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    Would that be that everything is at 110% all night so by the time you get to the main, what else is there to see?

    Or is that just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Would that be that everything is at 110% all night so by the time you get to the main, what else is there to see?

    Or is that just me?
    Yeah, that's basically it. Everyone, from the opener on through, is trying to work a five star main event match. It makes the events critically acclaimed, and makes it so the whole night is exciting, but by the end of the night I can't remember half of it and I'm often either exhausted or tuning out and checking my phone about 3/4 or so of the way through.

    Everyone's trying to get over, at the expense of the other matches on the card.

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    Going back to specifically the apron bump... I seem to remember NOAH having a larger than normal apron area and them building up to the apron bump? Am I just remembering this incorrectly? Or was it a thing? (Thinking specifically KENTA/Marafugi during their various matches. I know this is the New Japan thread, but talking about apron bumps reminded me of these other matches. Sorry for the derail.)

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