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  1. #201
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    Hardest of passes for me.

    But I don't watch any of these movies, so it won't matter.

    I do hope one day, when deeply bored, I can dive deep into them. That's how I like to live. Miss 5-10 years of what everyone else is sharing, but then have the best damn week/month imaginable when the time is just right.

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    The familiar Marvel formula is really on show with Captain Marvel - in many ways, it watches like a Phase I film and, honestly, probably would have been better placed there chronologically too. It's because of its nature as a prequel in a franchise of 20+ movies, 10+ years of storytelling now on the verge of hitting its climax that it's difficult as an adult move-goer to shake off the feeling it only exists to set up Captain Marvel herself as something of a plot device for Avengers: Endgame. There's a strange sense of it being retrofitted into continuity, or at the very least uncharacteristically (for the MCU) rushed into the universe ready in time for the big payoff that now looms.

    It's solidly entertaining, like all Marvel movies are, but it by no means knocked my socks off. Standard MCU is standard MCU, so I imagine most people's enjoyment of it will hinge heavily on how into the MCU they are!

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    And weirdly there are some continuity errors...not consistent with the MCU, but there are some nice call backs.

    The Stan Lee cameo is a cameo of a cameo. Well played.

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    My main reason for going to see it was for an Endgame post-credits set up. The movie itself was OK. The de-aging of Fury was flawless.

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    No spoilers here, but Marvel usually does a really good job on their continuity, but there were some that I could NOT get past about Captain Marvel.

    1. In the first MCU movie, Iron Man, there was a small running joke:
    Agent Phil Coulson: Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division.
    Tony Stark: Whew! God, you really need a new name for that.
    Agent Phil Coulson: Yeah, I hear that a lot.
    Now why is this important? Well because at Tony's press conference at the end of the movie, Coulson refers to the organization as S.H.I.E.L.D. for the first time. And in CM, Fury only refers to S.H.I.E.L.D. as S.H.I.E.L.D. It doesn't make sense that S.H.I.E.L.D. wouldn't call itself S.H.I.E.L.D. until 13 years later.

    2. In Avengers, Fury explain the Phase 2 weapons away like this:
    Bruce Banner: I'd like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.
    Nick Fury: Because of him!
    [points at Thor]
    Thor: Me?
    Nick Fury: Last year, Earth had a visit from another planet that had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously outgunned.
    Thor: My people want nothing but peace with your planet!
    Nick Fury: But you're not the only ones out there, are you? And you're not the only threat. The world is filling up with people that can't be matched, that can't be controlled!
    Again, why is this important? Because it clearly states that S.H.I.E.L.D. only started using the tesseract to make weapons as a response to Thor and Loki and the Destroyer, but Fury KNEW about aliens, and beings from other planets for YEARS, and that they out technologied us back in the 90s. AND with S.H.I.E.L.D. having the tesseract for all that time, why wouldn't they start to make weapons back then? Also, why wouldn't they already know about aliens?

    I know, I'm nitpicking, but that is what we do. Also, it kind of makes plot holes in the MCU, that they usually are really good at avoiding.
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    I am caught up with all the political stuff that Brie spouted, on top of the very generic trailer I will give this a very solid hard pass. Even the “positive” reviews seem to complain about Brie’s wooden acting, and also I have no reason to care about this Super hero in the grand scheme of Inifinity War.

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    I am very entertained by the boycott by many hurt men over Brie Larson’s comments. I’m talking about the Facebook comments and trolling of ratings sites, and no comments in this thread.

    Unfortunately for those sensitive men, the boycott had zero impact on box office: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...obally-1193585

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    Oh yeah, cinema was rammed when I saw it, in one of many 2d screenings early Sunday evening (so not exactly peak time).

    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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    It's a Marvel movie that leads directly into Endgame, there is no way that this would not have been super successful monetarily.

    Patrons like me and many, many others are not complaining about Brie's politics or acting, but about the lack of "big feel" to the movie. The movie served its purpose and was a good origin story, but it was just Meh. It ranks up there with Thor, Thor 2, and Iron Man 2 and 3. All movies that were ok, not great, but did their jobs.

    The movie lacked something, I cannot truly put my finger on what, it just didn't stack up with the rest of the MCU.


    I know, as fan, we all know what will happen. Thanos gets beat, and the Snap gets undone. BUT prior to Captain marvel, there is a trailer for Spiderman Far From Home, which obviously has Spidey and also has Fury in it. BUT why have the trailer prior to Endgame? Yes we all know what will happen, but at least keep up the kayfabe.
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    Sony released the trailer. Marvel did not want them to but it’s Sony’s property. I agree Sony should have waited.

    I loved the Stan Lee page flip btw.

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    Are you referring to his cameo? if so, there is a huge mistake/problem with it. I do not want to spoil what happens, but it makes a HUGE paradox in the MCU.


    Also, there is another major continuity problem with Captain Marvel and it has to deal with Nick Fury. No spoilers, so I'll wait to discuss until about a week or so.
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    I’m talking about the usual Marvel page flip at the beginning of every movie being changed in this one.


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    yes it did. It was a nice tribute to Stan.

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    I know a few of you have said youíre avoiding End Game trailers so as to go in completely fresh and blind, but for those that care, a new trailer dropped.

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    So little footage but so much to takeaway. Nebula in the same costume as the others (did it look like a quantum realm-type suit?) is weird and awesome. The Thor-Captain Marvel exchange was great too and hints at something big that many predicted. Looks fantastic.

    Whatever it takes.

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    Loved the visual of what looks like Scott making it back out of the quantum realm and looking on in utter confusion with the missing signs on the telephone pole. (Almost reminds me of episode 1 of TWD when Rick comes out of his coma.) And it seems like a bit of time has lapsed since IW. Iím really hoping we get a quick explanation of the time jump. Just an ďI went in on such and such date... whatís the date now?

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    James Gunn being rehired is excellent news, if not just because it livens up the 3rd film and makes me believe it’ll happen. I didn’t before. GOTG3 is possible the Marvel film I’m most looking forward to.

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    Thatís awesome

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    Watched Captain Marvel over the weekend. I enjoyed it for what it's worth. It did feel like a phase one film, especially in it's structure. But I suspect that was what the film producers were going for.

    I think the biggest takeaway for me was portraying Captain Marvel as a genuine match for Thanos, and seemingly more powerful than the other heroes. It does beg the question why she hadn't been paged before (like say, in the first Avengers movie, with Loki and his men invading Earth!!??), but if you ignore that particular aspect, I think you can forgive the small other plot holes that are present (there's not many, but like Powder said earlier, they can be a little annoying looking back).

    Very excited for Avengers: Endgame now. Just a month to go!

    Oh, and Goose the Cat rules.


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    Everything between Samuel L Jackson and the cat was pure gold. Actually everything with Jackson in general, really enjoyed his performance. I liked the movie as well, not the best Marvel ever but it was very fun and had some great visuals, and a not entirely predictable plot to boot.

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    So now that Captain Marvel has been out for over 2 weekends, I want to discuss the plot hole that deals with Nick Fury.

    SPOILERS BELOW. Skip if you do not want to read.










    So we find out that Goose the cat is what causes Fury's scars and loss of eye. That was a running joke within the movie about how Fury's eye gets injured, but it ends up being Goose the cat.

    In The Winter Soldier, Fury takes off his patch and states:

    Last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye. Look, I didn't want you doing anything you weren't comfortable with.
    Clearly implying that he lost his eye when he trusted Alexander Pierce.

    Why would Fury make that implication, if he knew that he lost the eye by the scratch Goose who is really a Flerkin, where was the distrust? Just because he liked the cat, and the cat had his back and saved him, Goose was a cat, and scratched Fury. There really was no distrust. There have been many, many articles on this exact situation throughout the net, entertainment sites, forums etc. And all they do is rationalize, that Fury trusted Goose, and Goose made him lose the eye.

    Please. To quote Deadpool, that is just lazy writing.

    In Winter Soldier, it is clearly implied that Fury lost his eye by trusting Pierce, or at least someone much closer to Fury. But to have Fury like the cat only for it to scratch his eye out? That is really bad.

    Marvel (the company) has to know that the fans pay attention to their universe that they created, and to retcon that is just awful. It would have made much more sense, or at least a better explanation if Captain Marvel somehow made Fury lose the eye by shooting him out of anger or by accident, but at the end of the day she still gives Fury the beeper. Then when she leaves, Fury is still pissed at her, but says something along the lines of..."I am still not fully sure I can trust you again, but I will call only if absolutely necessary."

    That one line would explain why Fury doesn't call Marvel during the Avengers, because he still doesn't trust her, and during Ultron, he knows that the Avengers beat an alien force, so they could most likely take care of Ultron.

    But in Infinity War, when Fury hears over the radio about Aliens in Wakanda, and people start disintegrating, he takes out the beeper. That one slight change to the movie and Fury quote would completely explain everything away.
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    Iíve watched Winter Soldier, like, a bazillion times. (My fav film other than Civil War...) Fury never once made it clear that him losing his eye was due to Pierce. It was a throw-away line that was just a MacGuffin in order for him to pull up the patch.

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    Yeah I always treated it as more of a throwaway line instead of an implication.

    Looking at the scar in Winter Soldier, it does resemble a scratch in a way. It's not one big scar, more like 3 or 4 strands.

    The plot hole I meant regarding Fury was a picture in Winter Soldier showing Fury getting his promotion with both eyes intact. Obviously, that seems to now be at odds with Captain Marvel.

    Like I said, it's very small things, but they are noticeable.
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    Fury's line about his eye is clearly not a throw away line because if it was, there would be no reason for him to say it. Throw away lines are like Hawkeye's in Ultron. "No one would, know." That is highly memorable, but a throw away line as it does not pertain to the plot or anything really, except his jovial frustration.

    Fury clearly states that he was betrayed by someone with whom he trusted, and he lost a freaking eye over it! And telling this to Cap was meant so that he would not trust the wrong person or more specifically...to quote SCSA...DTA...Don't trust nobody..

    But again the MCU has usually been really good at continuity, and why do not they have someone who is a nerd like us to take into account all of these nuances so that there will not be any loopholes and plot holes.

    I mean how hard would it have been to do something like I already stated:

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    if Captain Marvel somehow made Fury lose the eye by shooting him out of anger or by accident, but at the end of the day she still gives Fury the beeper. Then when she leaves, Fury is still pissed at her, but says something along the lines of..."I am still not fully sure I can trust you again, but I will call only if absolutely necessary."

    That one line would explain why Fury doesn't call Marvel during the Avengers, because he still doesn't trust her, and during Ultron, he knows that the Avengers beat an alien force, so they could most likely take care of Ultron.

    But in Infinity War, when Fury hears over the radio about Aliens in Wakanda, and people start disintegrating, he takes out the beeper. That one slight change to the movie and Fury quote would completely explain everything away.
    This would have kept up the continuity, and explained his eye, and explained why Fury did not call CM until IW. It may not be to everyone's liking, but it closes the plot holes.
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    Well, that's ok. Personally, I disagree. I don't think Fury is solely implying he lost his eye due to trusting Pierce. I interpreted as simply last time he trusted someone, he lost an eye. Sure, didn't expect it to be a cat, but I think that's still a fair and believable quote.


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    I will concede that Fury may not have been directly implying that Pierce cost him his eye, but Fury was definitely implying that "the last time I trusted someone, I lost and eye" was someone of relevance. Not a cat which is a disguised Flerkin that got "mad" at him and subsequently took his eye.

    I have read a few of the theories and the rationalizations about why the trust was broken between Fury and Goose making his quote technically true, but again, it is just that. Someone who was caught in the middle of a questionable act and rationalizing the act to make it sound good. It is just lazy writing, and went with Goose taking Fury's eye, because that was the running joke of the movie.

    The MCU should have handled that much better.


    But continuing the plot holes. Besides Steve Rogers, we never find out anyone's age in the MCU, including Phil Coulson, but in Iron Man set in 2008 (present day at the time), Coulson is clearly in his mid 40s (Clark Gregg was 45-46 at the time). The if we jump back 13 years he is around 32-33 and Fury calls him kid and a rookie. Is he really a kid? I know older agents/officers etc refer to the fresh faces as kids, but someone in their 30's? It may have been true that Coulson was a rookie SHIELD agent, but a kid?

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    Typically, age doesnít matter when calling someone ďkidĒ. Iím in my mid-30s and I get referred to kid all the time. Granted, I still look like Iím mid-20s, though.

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    Isn't part of Fury's whole deal is that he'll bend the truth to make a point or get what he wants? Hardly seems beyond the pale that he might imply something different about his eye, especially says he does the same sort of thing in Captain Marvel when he lets Coulson think he lost it while being tortured.

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    The Nick Fury part is certainly a recon. Having a complex story with Captain Marvel like how powder did it would have added so much more complexity and nuance to the character of both Fury and Marvel. They messed up

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