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    "The Sweet Science" - Boxing

    I guess the big news in Boxing might be that Tyson Fury, for many still the real heavyweight champion of the world, returns to the ring on June the 9th to take on Sefer Seferi.

    It's presumed that he'll want whoever is the winner of the Wilder and Joshua match that's expected for the Autumn or Winter, if his comeback goes as planned.


    I don't know if I fully buy into it though. He's good at self-promotion. He's certainly awkward. But I'm yet to be convinced he's done anything other than beat a decent fighter (but no better) in Chisoara, and then got lucky in catching Klitschko on an off-night. I guess now he's back in boxing he's a chance to prove that for good, but as of this moment I'm yet to be convinced.



    I do think Wilder/Joshua is the fight the sport needs right now, so I'm hoping that comes off.

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    That fight literally showed us nothing about Fury. The fight in the crowd was more interesting.

    Too much antics for me. Never really got going although Fury looked to be getting into it more before the stoppage. Fury still carrying a lot of weight, is no where near a Joshua or Wilder fight.

    Bellew making a bit of noise. Wouldn't mind seeing the two of them get it on. Although I can see Fury fighting again quickly against someone lower down.

    Edit: August 18th in Belfast he will fight again. No chance it'll be Bellew by then. Hopefully someone substantially better than Seferi.
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    Yeah I see Bellew has changed his tune. Was saying he couldn't fight a guy that size but didn't take long to chirp up, did it?

    Adds another interesting match in that division though, doesn't it. Seems like Britain is flying the flag for heavyweight boxing right now.... Unless Wilder beats them all, of course....

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    Tyson Fury saying that he's nearly got a fight with Wilder sorted out. That surprised me. I can't see him beating Wilder though... surely?!

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    In a word, no.

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    Short and sweet.

    The GGG vs Canelo rematch is set for a few weeks. Who do you have winning it? Or has the drug test fail pretty much killed your interest in this one?

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    Deontay Wilder I feel like knows he's the best fighter in the world, and really, really wants to fight Joshua. Joshua isn't biting so Wilder is settling for Tyson Fury (maybe the greatest boxing name I've ever seen in my life). I don't think Fury beats Wilder, and a victory here just makes it harder for Joshua to avoid Wilder.

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    I hadn't heard anyone here say Joshua was ducking Wilder until Frank Warren said it, and given he's Fury's promoter I'm taking it with a little bit of a pinch of salt. I still see them coming together down the road. I think it's probably in part just that the British boxers seem to have more marquee value than the Americans now (MAJOR role reversal from my youth) and they are playing hardball with regards to how much they want to make out of it. And I think it probably does make sense to try and get everything you can out of it, given that at heavyweight all it takes is the right punch and you're done.

    It's smart by Wilder - and Fury too, for that matter - to try and spread it around though. Might get the Joshua camp to take it on less smart terms than they otherwise would. And even those people who don't really buy it will be watching Joshua and his dealings now to see if there's any truth in it.

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    Well, didn't see that one coming personally. Missed the fight though, only going off reports and sounds like it could easily have gone either way. Hard to see them not going again.

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    Same here, too late for me. If you look at the official scorecards, going into the 12th it could have ended 114 for each, but two of them gave it to Canelo. Looking forward to watching this when I get the chance, reports suggest technically a very good fight, better than their first.


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    AJ KOs Povetkin in 7 rounds. I had Povetkin ahead by that point too, a very game Russian catching AJ in each round, with AJ probably a bit tentative. But AJ just showed his power and caught Povetkin flush. Only one winner after that.

    After heavily favouring AJ in a fight against Wilder, I'm starting to have my doubts. AJ doesn't half get hit an awful lot for a heavyweight...


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    It sounded like everyone either had it level of Povetkin ahead after a bright start. I don't know of anyone who had Joshua in front by that point.

    Fair play to him though, pulling it out in adversity. Felt like an important win, that one.

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    Was a good win.

    Saunders might lose his title after the Massachusetts board refused him a licence.

    Brook and Khan have supposed to agreed a weight for a clash next year.

    And to cap it all, just six weeks until Wilder and Fury, and the WBC has already said that they will sanction a unification bout against Joshua.

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    I'll watch Brook and Khan, but obviously Wilder and Fury is where all the real interest is right now, especially as it might mean we end up with a kind of a round-robin with Joshua. Plus, a big American heavyweight in legit fights might actually be what the sport needs to get it's mojo back in the USA.

    Khabib Nurmagomedov has apparently called out Floyd Mayweather following his win over MacGregor. I mean you can see the logic but I'm not sure that an MMA guy who doesn't have the headline power of a MacGregor is going to be such a big draw for Floyd. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it, and I imagine it'd go much the same way.

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    Looking forward to Fury/Wilder.

    Two legit nutcases, someone is getting KO'ed.

    Anyone see Alvarez sign that huge deal with DAZN?

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    Watching old Fury matches, I got all my money on Wilder. Fury just moves so awkward as a big man who moves like that. Wilder I think knocks him out, plus Fury hasn't boxed in a long time. But it will be interesting to say the least.

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    If it does come down to a knockout, Wilder wins for me. Only way I see Fury winning is being awkward, like he did against Klitschko.

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    Quite looking forward to the Bellew fight later.

    I don't know much about Usyk but he is very highly regarded by most boxing pundits and appears on most of the current pound for pound top tens. The only thing I wonder about is the fact that he has only 15 fights. And only the last 6 were against fighters who were famous enough to have their own Wikipedia page (if that's in any way a measure)!

    I wouldn't have given Bellew a prayer both times vs Haye and he beat him twice. He is a really good boxer, has the perfect build and cardio.

    Will be an excellent spectacle, really hope Bellew can pull it off.

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    I mean I'd pick Usyk but it's getting embarrassing how often I keep going against Bellew and he keeps winning. Have to accept sometime that although he doesn't look like much he's better than I give him credit for - and there'll be no option but to acknowledge that if he gets the win tonight.

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    Great effort then but he's just too good.

    I see there's already been some chat about Usyk stepping up to challenge a top heavyweight.... That'd be interesting.

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    That was a horrible KO. He got hit before about 30 seconds earlier and you could see he was going. The last three or four punches were just brutal.


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    Usyk is a very talented boxer, you could see that throughout. Bellew set out to make him uncomfortable and did a really good job. Bellew is a top top boxer I think and can hold his head high.

    But that Usyk lad was excellent when he got going, he just has the boxing thing down. 16 fights and he's out of challengers at Cruiserweight. Could see him stepping up now and fighting Joe Parker or Dillan Whyte or Hughie Fury. He's also done himself no harm fighting in Manchester already. Struck up a nice friendly chord with the fans for a finish and will defo sell tickets when he comes back.

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    Fight was on too late for me last night but woke up to the controversy.

    From what I've heard it sounds like a lot of stuff about nothing. Yes, I can well imagine Fury shaded the fight based on reports and I'm a bit concerned about the one scorecard, but one judge calling it a draw sounds perfectly plausible if he loses a couple of 10-8 rounds because he was put on his ass twice.

    Basically, if he'd stayed on his feet and avoided being caught, or managed to do the same to Wilder, he'd have won. And I don't really see that as robbery.


    I will say this - I don't think we can say that Fury was a one-night wonder anymore. And I think both men, before they can think about Joshua, probably have to look at having a rematch.

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    Agreed, yet to watch it yet, but Tyson Fury must be taken seriously from now on. No fluke anymore. Still don't like the guy personally...


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    No, it's tough to warm to him, regardless of how good the story is.

    He predicted Wilder would cry off a rematch, but the American is already calling for it himself. Could be as early as the spring if they can get it done.

    Naturally, the fight everyone looks at then is the winner vs Joshua. Very hard to avoid that one then, I'd suggest.

    I was reading something the other day that made the case Whyte has come on a long way since his loss to Joshua and could be back in the mix if he gets a unanimous decision or KO against Chisora this time around.

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    I'm sure Whyte will get another crack at a World title, but he is a tier below in my opinion.


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    That was what it had looked like to me, too, but I haven't seen much of him lately - and this was a big name in boxing who said he was showing signs in those more recent fights of growing into the best of the lot.

    Haven't seen it myself because I haven't caught the fights. But he wouldn't be the first fighter to grow up to his full ability, if it is true.

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    Perhaps mimicking some of what we've seen in wrestling, Amir Khan has signed for his next fight in Saudi Arabia. He's going to be boxing someone from India, in what they are suggesting will be a way of bringing India and Pakistan together (seems optimistic, but nevertheless this is what they are saying).

    7m for it apparently. Yet more evidence of Saudis throwing money at getting events on in their back yard.

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    Wel... that wasn't supposed to happen.


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    No indeed. Happens at heavyweight quite often though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooner View Post
    I'm sure Whyte will get another crack at a World title, but he is a tier below in my opinion.
    Whyte will get another shot. But first, the whole title scene has to work itself out.

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    Wel... that wasn't supposed to happen.
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    No indeed. Happens at heavyweight quite often though.
    HEHEHE... I wish I put money on the fight. I didn't think Ruiz would win, and I'M MEXICAN. I thought he'd give him a great fight, go the full 12 rounds in Joshua's American debut, then maybe comeback later and make money as a Mexican contender. I didn't think he'd win at all. I had him the same tier as Whyte, Joseph Parker, and Luis Ortiz. So I was shocked. With that said, I think he beats Joshua in the rematch, I think he'd the perfect fighter to beat Joshua with his style. Fury and Wilder though it's a little harder to call.

    Oleksandr Usyk... maybe because I favor smaller heavyweights, but I think he'd destroy Ruiz if he ever gets a shot, and I think he'd destroy Joshua. Not sure about Fury though, he might out point him. But Wilder vs. Usyk, I want to see that by the end of 2020, hopefully for an undisputed title.

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    Well, you mentioned it there, but the winner of the rematch has to defend against Usyk who is now the mandatory challenger.

    There was a lot of doom and gloom around boxing a little while ago but I think the draw in Fury vs Wilder, followed by Ruiz stunning Joshua, and Usyk stepping up.... I mean, it does all seem to have brought some life into the division again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Well, you mentioned it there, but the winner of the rematch has to defend against Usyk who is now the mandatory challenger.

    There was a lot of doom and gloom around boxing a little while ago but I think the draw in Fury vs Wilder, followed by Ruiz stunning Joshua, and Usyk stepping up.... I mean, it does all seem to have brought some life into the division again.
    It's completely welcomed. I wrote a funereal for boxing, and I stand by that boxing was dead. But I am willing to say it's been reborn.

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    A very eventful and sad week for boxing. RIP Maxim Dadashev. This really sucks as it sad to see boxers die from the ring. On top of that, Dillian Whyte gets caught for PEDs. A death in boxing the same week a big name gets caught with PEDs is one of the worst possible weeks boxing can ever have. Just when it looks like boxing could be reborn, it reminds everyone why it should die. And also, I think of a fighter is caught with PEDs, and they are the boxer responsible for killing another fighter, they should be charged with murder, or at the very least manslaughter. This is getting out of hand.
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    If it's confirmed it's pretty much the end of his career, because at 31 and with an eight year ban you can't see him having another big fight.

    You'd say Wilder got lucky because Whyte had been after that fight for some time.... but then, of course, maybe it ain't so lucky if the only reason his recent good form was because he was taking something he shouldn't have been.

    Very hard to argue against charging someone who takes PED's and severely injures an opponent, even in a risky venture like boxing/combat sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    If it's confirmed it's pretty much the end of his career, because at 31 and with an eight year ban you can't see him having another big fight.

    You'd say Wilder got lucky because Whyte had been after that fight for some time.... but then, of course, maybe it ain't so lucky if the only reason his recent good form was because he was taking something he shouldn't have been.

    Very hard to argue against charging someone who takes PED's and severely injures an opponent, even in a risky venture like boxing/combat sports.
    Whyte has greatly improved, and Eddie Hearns has talked about it glowingly. Now if it's all PEDs, then we know why. It looked like Hearns was ready to finally get a fighter to challenge Wilder, but now it's all over if all of this turns true.

    Edit for Confirmation:

    Dillian Whyte tested positive for Epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, which are two metabolites of Dianabol, a banned anabolic steroid! OMG, yeah, he's going to be gone from boxing for a long time. That's Whyte's career, two PED's test.


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    Stupid man.


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    Certainly going to be a worry for some AJ fans to hear him talk about needing to get the 'passion' back for the rematch against Ruiz. I can't imagine you can win this match, let alone dominate the division in the way some of those fantasies would go, without having passion for it. You're gonna get caught out at this level, and at this weight.

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    As a lifelong boxing fan, taking my pride out of this at Ruiz becoming the first Mexican heavyweight champion, I still think that Ruiz is a terrible match up style for Joshua. In reality, Ruiz is the type of fighter who doesn't get title opportunities for the very reason Joshua found out about. Ruiz is a very fast, and has a style that most heavyweight boxers can't adjust to. So far, he hasn't been knocked out when his chin is tested, which is usually when his style of fighter is knocked out. Unless Joshua is 100%, I don't think he can beat Ruiz. Which is why I think his camp pushed so hard to get the fight in the UK. Joshua is a very robotic in his training, and preparation. I think that having the fight in the US really threw him off his game. But at this level, you can't be the heavyweight champion of the world and only fight in your hometown every fight. You have to be a world traveler. And having the fight in Saudi Arabia I think will heavily favor Ruiz again. Maybe Joshua is saying this to maybe Rocky us. He's against all the odds, and he's not focused enough to train, then at the last minute he explodes in training, wins the fight and proves all the doubters wrong. After all, that's Rocky 2 and 3. Who knows.

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    Joshua has looked at his best like an almost unstoppable force, but I think the thing that stands between him and true greatness at the moment is how infrequently we seem to get his best. I'd suggest from what I've seen of Ruiz that if the best version of Joshua turns up, he beats him, and probably handily. But I can't say with any certainty which version you're going to get.

    That's probably the big difference between Joshua and Fury. The latter is never going to be someone who runs through people with his power, because for a heavyweight it just isn't there. But he always turns up for the big fight, and like Ruiz there's that 'awkwardness' factor. I suspect Wilder is in the same camp as Joshua on this from what I've seen - amazing on paper and at his best, but as we saw it's not a given that he can just turn up and blow a Fury out of the water.

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