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  1. #241
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    He signed a three year deal. A lot of why this is happening now is because the luchadores all had their deal negotiated by AAA (who made sure it was all seven season deals) while the US indie guys were able to get them for a shorter amount of time. That's why you're seeing guys like PJ Black and Sonny Kiss roaming freely; they only signed one to three year deals.

    The other reason this is happening right now is because Cuerno, Ivelisse, Joey Ryan and Thunder Rosa want to go elsewhere. You are wildly off base Coach when you suggest these people aren't working elsewhere. Ryan has been everywhere on the indies. Ivelisse is a regular for Shine. Thunder Rosa has been working Ring of Honor tapings for the last several months. Cuerno, under his regular name El Hijo del Fantasma, has worked several US indie dates, Impact and obviously AAA. And all of that is before we get into how Impact and several indies have been built around LU stars the last several years, while LU was going on. These people haven't been sitting at home; they've had the ability to work elsewhere for awhile, with the exception of WWE. The thing now is that Ryan and Rosa both have exclusive, probably well paying offers from AEW and ROH respectively on the table, Ivelisse wants a shot to go elsewhere and Cuerno, who did have a WWE offer two years ago that he had to turn down cause he was under LU deal, is trying to get to either there or AEW (the latter of which he has access to now due to AAA and AEW's agreement). None of these four have the stroke Pentagon and Fenix (who can work everywhere they want because they're that big of names on the circuit) to get pay per date deals with everyone, so the only power they have is to get out of their contracts, which is by filing the lawsuit. It's 100% the right play; LU doesn't have the money for a long fight, so this will be over really quick and they'll all be free to go wherever.

    But no, this isn't a situation where LU has been telling talent "you can't wrestle anywhere when we aren't taping, stay at home!"; everyone on the roster, including these four have been able to work with whoever wants to book them. And this is where I will call out at least Fantasma because the reason he's being booked isn't because of LU; the reason he isn't being booked is because he coasted during his runs with Impact and some of the smaller indies. He had those opportunities and unfortunately he didn't perform well enough to get over in those stops, whereas guys like Pentagon and Fenix did and thus built enough power to go anywhere and everywhere. So while I definitely support Ivelisse (who hasn't worked a ton either, but those are largely for bullshit "SHE'S GOT A BAD ATTITUDE" reasons), Ryan and Rosa completely, Fantasma's case to me, at least from the class action suit standpoint, isn't as strong.

    But that said, in terms of the first lawsuit he filed seeking pay for missing work, he's spot on. And that's where you can clearly tell how flawed the LU business process was. On screen I'm not sure anyone could touch what they did over the first three seasons at least. But off screen they never developed a proper business model, didn't re-negotiate once it was clear they had to, completely failed at getting house shows or proper merchandise off the ground and when they did, were awful at promoting it. And that's just a few things. The bottom line here is if LU had found a way to keep things moving in between seasons or just kept the gap between seasons shorter (like they did between season's 1, 2 and 3) we aren't here; by all accounts the wrestlers loved working in the Temple when there. But they didn't, people have to make a living and here we are.


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    I'm sure Coach is aware Joey Ryan still works the indies.

    I would think the problem isn't that these guys aren't working, it's that they want the bigger money that comes with more exclusivity. With AEW, ROH, and (obviously) WWE requiring exclusive TV rights in most cases, being tied to LU is hurting their ability to make the kind of sure-thing money they can reliably live on.

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    Chris DeJoseph recently was asked about the future of the show. He said he believes it's dead, but nothing definite. That's some serious sadness right there.

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    Sad but definitely feels true. Even if the talent wasn't rebelling, it's been way too long since season 4 ended without any news. I'm almost looking forward to the ax falling at this point, at least then they can sort out the contract stuff and everyone can go back to looking back on how incredibly awesome the actual show was.

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    I hope Chris DeJoesph stays in wrestling. if he was the mind behind most of the creative, hoping he gets a job with AEW

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    My ideal would be for him to be given the reigns of a new project. Nobody in modern wrestling has shown themselves to be so capable of creating a self contained story from the ground up. Give him a chance to tell another story that's all his own, rather than jumping on to someone else's.

    That said, having him involved in something is better than having him involved in nothing!

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    If it is over, someone also needs to find a sufficient place to pay tribute to what mattered so much about it and why. Even now, thinking of Dario Cueto, that's a character that should be enshrined with the all-time great characters.

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    Absolutely, even if they never air another second of material, Dario will always be one of the best ever.

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    There's apparently a podcast coming March 13th with Chris DeJoseph and Chris Roach and apparently everything is open for discussion

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    That's both cool and scary...

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    God damn it. Just as it had righted itself from a little wobble, and everything. I was so looking forward to Season 5 progressing the storylines.

    This is all Jack Swagger's fault, I feel sure.

    The only possible answer is Lucha Underground: The Movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    God damn it. Just as it had righted itself from a little wobble, and everything. I was so looking forward to Season 5 progressing the storylines.

    This is all Jack Swagger's fault, I feel sure.

    The only possible answer is Lucha Underground: The Movie.
    I do feel for folks who are losing LU. I'm somewhat relieved myself, as I want to see some of their talent actually able to work and have better opportunities. The great compromise for me would be, as you mention, a decently funded final movie, or mini-series type thing, that let's them go out on their own terms, with their level of production and storytelling.

    I fear that "everything is open for discussion" might mean "we no longer owe anyone anything because it's dead and now we are going to get things out in the open" but who knows. Maybe it just means they don't know either but they are going to have an open discussion. Again: who knows.

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    In fairness to LU, it's not that people can't work pretty much anywhere they want, they just can't get those exclusive contracts. But since that's fast becoming the bread and butter of wrestling in 2019, it amounts to the same thing.

    I also blame Jack Swagger and I also dearly want something to finish the story properly.

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    So Sonny Kiss (XO Licious) came out and said that AEW and Lucha Underground have a working relationship in regards to talent. That's such a ridiculous thing to have to say. LU just really needs to decide one way or another what's going on or just let these people go.

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    It definitely feels a bit ridiculous, though it may solve some of the immediate lawsuit problems (you just know Joey Ryan especially is just waiting for his AEW contract to come through).

    If this can float the company long enough to give us some resolution then it might be worth it, but yeah one way or another they just need to decide what the hell they're doing.

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    There's a lot of things about the LU situation are ridiculous but I'm not sure how this one is, especially since the policy for LU wrestlers is they can work wherever they want (save WWE) without restrictions unless it conflicts with LU tapings. It's just a continuation of that.


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    So Sonny Kiss (XO Licious) came out
    Oh, did he ever. Good for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    There's a lot of things about the LU situation are ridiculous but I'm not sure how this one is, especially since the policy for LU wrestlers is they can work wherever they want (save WWE) without restrictions unless it conflicts with LU tapings. It's just a continuation of that.
    I get that, but it's still kind of ridiculous to have a working relationship with a promotion that is producing no work and may never again (sadly).

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    Part of me assumes that it's a contractual thing. So, and I'm completely speculating here, until there is definitively no more LU we have to assume that there is a LU, and therefore the wrestlers contracted to LU through series 7 are still under contract. So for AEW, for example, to get those performers to work for them they have to have an agreement with LU that allows the performers to work there, I think? Entirely speculating and I'm not a law specialist at all.

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    I would definitely assume the same. Like I said, I wouldn't be shocked if this were a way to stop the contract lawsuits, since the four people who reportedly filed would likely be good fits for AEW more than WWE (Joey Ryan is Joey Ryan, Ivelisse was released WWE once already, Fantasma knows luchadors should avoid WWE, etc).

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