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    Undertaker

    Apparently 'Taker is confirmed for the MSG show in July. I guess this might be the last time he works the famous old arena.

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    Who is Takers final match against at Mania next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    Who is Takers final match against at Mania next year?
    I feel like we've asked this for the past 5 years at least. I expect to see him hobbling to the ring at Wrestlemania 50 at this rate.

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    Mickie James and Magnus's kid.

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    He has run out of opponents that are worthy enough now.

    HHH, Cena, Lesnar, Orton, all done.

    Strowman retires Taker is the only other choice..

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    As we saw this past year, having a worth match is no longer a concern anymore.

    If he absolutely must wrestle, I wouldn't mind seeing him wrestle the current generation just to see what they can do together. AJ, Rollins, Bryan, Miz, just find him a fresh and interesting opponent and see what they can do. Doesn't even really matter who wins, though I guess Taker probably shouldn't squash any really promising guys.

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    In a world where wrestling is just a TV show, does it even matter? I wonder if no one really gives a shit if you couldn't just go on a win streak against top talent after being beat by a 60 year old 'Taker and no one would bat an eyelid.

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    Haha, come on now, wrestling can be a TV show and wins and losses still matter. Basically crippled Andre beat guys back in the day and didn't destroy their careers. Old man Bruno beat the crap out of Randy Savage in '85 and he did alright.

    I guess it would have to be done with a certain amount of care, but if Taker must be in there I just want it to be interesting, instead of retreading with other elderly or stale acts.

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    I really want Taker to be retired by someone.

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    I would also like that, but I'm just not holding my breath at this point. Taker seems to retire all the time now but it doesn't stick.

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    Not so sure that he wants more. This could be his retirement tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    Haha, come on now, wrestling can be a TV show and wins and losses still matter. Basically crippled Andre beat guys back in the day and didn't destroy their careers. Old man Bruno beat the crap out of Randy Savage in '85 and he did alright.

    I guess it would have to be done with a certain amount of care, but if Taker must be in there I just want it to be interesting, instead of retreading with other elderly or stale acts.
    It can, but it doesn't seem to matter in practice even if it could in theory. And if those examples prove anything, it was that it was saveable even before it was just a TV show, so if anything surely that would imply it's even less of a concern?

    I mean, honestly I think 'Taker could run roughshod over the WWE roster and the way they present their talent it wouldn't matter much.

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    I find that sad but probably true. I think it's less about Taker being old and more about the general modern WWE presentation though.

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    I don't disagree on that. All I'd maintain is that it is more true in a 'this is just a show' mentality than one that wants to work within a sporting presentation.

    And, of course, a few choices by promoters back in the day doesn't really change points about fundamental approaches because there's key differences that making like for like comparisons doesn't recognise.


    But yeah, long story short. At this point Taker could win ten more matches and quit, and I don't think most fans would mind or any career would suffer a single iota.

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    However, If we do say that the WWE is a TV show, after 28 years the character of the Undertaker needs to retire.

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    That doesn't follow logically. Valid opinion, though. Can't imagine many people here will disagree.

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    I think Undertaker made a serious mistake coming back. At least he got a proper send-off by Reigns, and they had a solid-good (with some awkward parts) 3~ star match, where everyone correctly perceived that a broken-down, but still somewhat able, Undertaker did everything his body would let him, and left it all in the ring.

    He has since then had hip replacement surgery, and is less mobile than I've ever seen him. Which is probably why he had that 3 minute Cena match. So he has nullified his retirement, and is in no shape to have the kind of retirement match I imagine he would want to have (and that people would want to have him). So, there's a chance, maybe, that his match against Rusev might end up being his last. Which is just very weird.

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    Since he's already been announced for the MSG show in July, I'd say he thinks he's got at least one more match in him!

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    Another three is the rumour I'd heard....

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    This is so damn sad, it is actually like watching an old fighter keep coming back, every loss just convinces them they need to go out on a high and every win just convinces them they've still got enough to mix it with the current crop. Obviously this is not a direct comparison but figurative wins and losses in terms of how he feels about his 'final match': he disliked what he did against Reigns so wanted to make it right, once he made it right at Raw 25 and Cena he thought 'I've still got this' and had a mediocre match with Rusev so now has to do something to 'make it right'. It is a never ending cycle.

    I was so on board with his retirement with Reigns, I thought it was an amazing send off and told a really fitting story, the kind we will actually look back on one day as something very special but now he is back it makes me wonder what the point of it was? They didn't even try to retcon his return and make it fit the narrative they had of the Reigns match being his 'last ride', he just showed up again as if nothing mattered. I mean what is even the point of him coming back? What story are they trying to tell? Do they think him squashing the guys they are already struggling to make into stars is going to help their overall problem with not having current standouts?

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    That's a fantastically apt analogy, @SirSam. It's always sad to see the fighter past his prime who refuses to hang up his boots, keeps coming back and getting wrecked or barely surviving. It's even more sad because Taker once publicly avowed that he would never become that guy. But then, so did Sting.

    I wasn't aware that Taker was on for the MSG show, so there goes my theory.

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    MSG in July, Australia in October.... just needs the one more in 2019 (dare I suggest Wrestlemania) for the 'at least three matches' rumour to be true.

    I guess you could have it be 'will he get his 25th victory at Wrestlemania or will he leave on his back'?
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