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    After XXX and the defeat, he should’ve come out and said something like “Welp... ‘The Streak’ is over. However, I’ll still pop up whenever I feel like just to remind you that I’m always around.” And then he should’ve gone home and repaired himself for a few years and popped up during some random PPV in July or October or any month that wasn’t WrestleMania. Like... he should never come back in March/April after Brock broke The Streak. But... whatever. At this point, let him humiliate himself. It’s whatever at this point.

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    In fairness that Wrestlemania match with Cena was my favourite Cena match ever. I didn't hear Cena call one spot which is a first

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    Which one of Taker's countless returns is your favorite? Here's mine:




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    My favorite Taker return, easily, is in 2005:


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    I've a soft spot for Wrestlemania XX, partially because it was the first I saw. It was built up to so well though, he was buried by Kane so he came back "dead", he was seeking revenge, he had a boss entrance, he had Paul Bearer... it all just clicked for me. I even remember the match well, though I don't know if it'd stand up if I rewatched it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    I've a soft spot for Wrestlemania XX, partially because it was the first I saw. It was built up to so well though, he was buried by Kane so he came back "dead", he was seeking revenge, he had a boss entrance, he had Paul Bearer... it all just clicked for me. I even remember the match well, though I don't know if it'd stand up if I rewatched it!
    It was definitely a forgettable trash match. However, as you said, everything else about the angle was done so well, that it didn't really matter, and the crowd bought into it all (I think Taker's entrance was the pop of the night at that Mania).

    I remember Meltzer saying in his review that Undertaker had totally exposed himself with that angle and match, and that it was all basically over. Who was to know that Taker would be a top tier main event attraction for another 10 years? Lol.

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    Top three in no particular order. The iron man Skitz mentioned, the return from the Orbital bone injury with the weird mask when he won the Survivor Series basically single handed, and the 1998 return ahead of Wrestlemania during the Kane feud.

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    Having discovered wrestling in mid '98, I just missed out on that last one Prime mentioned. I've seen clips of it since however and would definitely place it in my Top 5. Not surprised the resurrection of The Deadman at WMXX was mentioned a few times (I'd rank it #2). His SummerSlam 2009 return would probably be up there as well simply for the execution. I loved the visual of Punk standing over a prone Hardy; only for the lights to go out and Taker to appear in Jeff's place. The ensuing feud at the time should've been so much more!

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    I'll jump on the 2004 band wagon. I love when Kane is just wrecking shop in the Rumble and suddenly the gong goes off. Kane and Jim Ross sell it like a ghost has returned. He doesn't even show up and it is still so epic.



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    98 return after Kane set him on fire in the casket.

    Not the actual return but I thought the weeks of promos was great to before he wrestled Mark Henry at Unforgiven

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    My favourite Undertaker return is the one that won't happen when he does what he should do and bloody retire already.

    Also, WrestleMania XX. I got goosebumps watching that. Like mizfan pointed out, it was all just so well constructed (perhaps excepting the match itself). One of my favourite Mania moments.

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    So is Undertaker having that Wrestlemania match we were talking about back in May? I've heard some people talking about another Shawn Michaels match. They'll call it the third match of a trilogy, I guess, even though it must be the sixth PPV bout they'd have had?

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    Remember when it was the divas that were the piss break? Sounds like it might be the legends next year.

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    I thought the (rumoured) plan was that HBK vs Undertaker is set for Survivor Series, to retire Taker where his career began?

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    I mean that would make a certain amount of sense, wouldn't it?

    Apparently he's been confirmed for the run of shows in the UK in November, so maybe that does point to an imminent-retirement? Emptying the tank in the last month?

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    When you think about it, this tag match could have been 20 years in the making if we're thinking back to around when Kane debuted.

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    Heard speculation that the Survivor Series match with Shawn is now off following Crown Jewel. No idea what that means for the Deadman's last few matches.

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    Simple, Let both Taker and HBK rest up and have the retirement 1 on 1 match at Mania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Heard speculation that the Survivor Series match with Shawn is now off following Crown Jewel. No idea what that means for the Deadman's last few matches.
    With any luck, they've canned them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    Simple, Let both Taker and HBK rest up and have the retirement 1 on 1 match at Mania.
    Again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    Simple, Let both Taker and HBK rest up and have the retirement 1 on 1 match at Mania.
    Rest up? I am pretty sure this is the new normal for a Taker match. That's just the state his body will be at from now on. There is no resting up from this. It's time to hang up the boots, or be downgraded to 5 minute squash matches. He's had like 4 matches since coming back. One of them had to be cut down to 4 minutes despite being one of the most anticipated matches, against Cena, at *Wrestlemania*, because his body couldn't handle anything else, and the others were varying different levels of embarrassing clusterfucks. There are some people who wrestle into their 50's and can still put on a show, once in a while (e.g., Flair, or Liger), but Taker definitely isn't one of those people.

    I really don't see what the point of a HBK-Taker match would be. It would be a shitty, painful match to watch, and everyone would probably say 'they ruined the legacy of their two previous matches.'

    He is slowly approaching the point where he's going to be greeted with 'this/you sucks' or 'please retire' chants, and it's going to be painful to watch.
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    I agree with everything but that very last line. Pretty sure fans will chant "you still got it" and "one more match" even if he needs a walker to get to the ring.

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    Yeah, I think Taker has too much built in respect from the audience to ever get a please retire chant. Its a respect that's been earned and also manufactured by the WWE machine.. with all the non kayfabe respect they give Taker.

    At this point, I wouldn't mind them doing an 8 min retirement match for both Undertaker and Kane. Both need to go.. Can still use them for appearances but there comes a point when the time is up for any serious in ring time.

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    I'm not sure I can ever see the fans turn on the Undertaker like that. Not only will you have just seen the Undertaker entrance, live and in person, which will probably make a believer of even the most sceptical of fans, but there is just that respect there. Looking back over history Undertaker is one of a small handful of people that it's probably legitimate to say that without him, there wouldn't even be a WWE anymore. So yeah, very hard to imagine the environment where a crowd turn on him like that.

    If you're going to keep using him as a nostalgia thing you might as well go full deadman, have him never go off his feet or no sell like crazy, and squash people. Full early nineties. And why not, given the state of everything else? It's not like it'd be poorly received, and not like it'd be interfering with anything else that's so great.

    But to be honest from what I can tell the further matches are by no means guaranteed anymore, now that all the plans have changed. I have seen it suggested there is a push to at least get him to put over whoever is the next 'chosen one' in the aftermath of Reigns.

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    What about AJ Styles vs Taker at Mania? Styles would protect Taker physically, and professionally, and would make a Taker retirement match be amazing. I know Styles took forever to get to the WWE, but they just aired a 365 special on him, AND they trusted him with a year long WWE title run, so being the one to give Taker his retirement match at Mania 35 would be perfect.

    Besides there is no one else for Taker to wrestle that wouldn't feel forced, or meh. I do not want to see another part timer come back for Taker (HHH, HBK, Cena, Rock, Goldberg), I would rather it be someone currently on the roster amd AJ Styles fits the bill better than anyone. Plus he deserves a main event spot at Mania. The past three Manias for AJ have been ho-hum. Jericho (Loss), Shane - meh (Win) and Nakamura - meh (win and retain). Not one of those matches are memorable, but if Styles retires Taker....perfect.

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    I think nothing will ever really feel perfect to most people because they've already done it, and pulled back on it, and you can't ever really do it again in quite th same way.

    That said, nothing wrong with Styles as an idea, though if you want to have one shot for the next big star doing it with someone of his age isn't exactly the most inspired use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    What about AJ Styles vs Taker at Mania? Styles would protect Taker physically, and professionally, and would make a Taker retirement match be amazing. I know Styles took forever to get to the WWE, but they just aired a 365 special on him, AND they trusted him with a year long WWE title run, so being the one to give Taker his retirement match at Mania 35 would be perfect.
    I just read a really interesting thing from HBK about why he returned at Crown Jewel specifically, and why he didn't want to go up against anybody from the 'new' generation, if you like. His basic point was that, at his age, he appreciates that he's a greatest hits wrestler and not necessarily able to 'hang' with the new guys - equally, he doesn't know how they work, and therefore there is a bigger chance for a balls up than there is against someone he has a history of being in the ring with.

    I thought that was quite interesting, and gave some insight to how these older guys might be thinking.

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