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    If Brock were around more often, I’d like to see Brock and Heyman just totally start mind fucking Rollins with the cash in. Just completely break Seth mentally (as well as physically). I think there could be an interesting story of Seth being so broken that he turns to HHH as a “Hey... you’re the cerebral assassin, and even though I haven’t forgotten about our history, I need your help...”

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    COACH, concerning the "living the dream" part, I think it's that wrestlers who love wrestling end up showing more passion in their performance, and that translates well to the audience.

    BUT, Brock's dominance translate well. His natural aura of being a complete a$$hole does as well. My point is that there are a lot of ways the performers can connect with the audience, and one of the currently popular ones is "living the dream".

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    I think social media and message boards come into play, at least in this bubble we are in, where more devoted fans go to the big shows.. the connection people feel they have with the wrestlers is really strong and they see everything their faves post on twitter, Instagram etc..and on the flip side, they hunt down info on anyone they don’t like to expose. Things spread like wild fire.

    So people get invested with these wrestlers who seem to love it so much, and then they see a guy like Brock barely ever come to ‘work’ And then lately WWE has played that up so naturally those same people dread Brock being on the show .

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    Quote Originally Posted by meandi View Post
    If Brock were around more often, I’d like to see Brock and Heyman just totally start mind fucking Rollins with the cash in. Just completely break Seth mentally (as well as physically). I think there could be an interesting story of Seth being so broken that he turns to HHH as a “Hey... you’re the cerebral assassin, and even though I haven’t forgotten about our history, I need your help...”
    See, as a fan, I'd like to see it the other way round - I want less Brock, and less Heyman reminding us about Brock having the briefcase.

    That way the impact of him turning up to cash in is much more impactful, because we will have (slightly) forgotten about it.

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    Lesnar's future given Heyman's new role... Discuss.

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    It doesn't change. Heyman can still have the role as being Lesner's advocate while taking on the new creative role.

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    Assuming Heyman's never a GM-like figure, of course, at which point it changes even if he does still stay as the advocate.

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    Judging by how his appearance on Monday went, I don't think we'll be seeing much of Heyman outside of his advocate role.

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    Lesnar announced for the Summerslam go-home on August 5th.

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    Brock vs Cain Velasquez in a rematch, of sorts, announced for Crown Jewel in a couple of weeks. For the newly-won WWE title.

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    Which means once again WWE booked themselves into a corner. They either have to have a fuck finish (which Saudi won't care about) or have Cain lose his first match in the WWE. They definitely won't take the title off Lesner so soon again.

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    You find? I think the Goldberg angle proves that WWE are willing to let Lesnar lose if the bigger story can sell. And if the rumors of a multi year deal with Cain is accurate, and with this being the title involved on the Fox program, where Cain was previously a star... I think it's entirely possible Cain wins the title.

    The problem isn't that they "booked themselves into a corner", it's that they are making the main Fox/SD title ineligible for everyone but 2 people. Cain might win the championship, but he won't be dropping it to anyone. In fact, the chances of a full time champion happening soon is better with Brock as champion.

    It's a very odd scenario. Hopefully WWE tells a good story to get us to Crown Jewel. I'm doubting it.

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    Would they have him win the belt at an event like Saudi Arabia, though? I feel like they should hold off on the title switch until an actual pay-per-view.

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    It is an actual PPV. The Saudi shows do great business on the Network, unfortunately. Just because the negative online fans piss and moan and claim they won't watch... most end up watching because the Saudi shows have crazy freak spectacles.

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    If anything the Saudi PPVs, and Smackdown are the most likely places a title will change hands. Saudi PPVs have the broadest appeal. Casuals look to those PPVs above others. Partially because there are always a couple legends on the card, or big time gimmick matches. Don't be surprised if it ends in a DQ. Most likely Lesnar DQing himself by using a foreign object. It will show fans that Lesnar is scared of this opponent, which makes him resort to tactics he normally wouldn't. They'll run with that angle for a while to build up the feud I think. Cain needw too much work still to strap that title on him immediately, plus WWE isn't going to pay off that angle this soon.


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    I think Valasquez takes the belt, to be honest. I really wouldn't be surprised to see them run a similar angle to the one Lesnar had with Goldberg previously, whereby it looks like Valasquez has his number and then they get to Mania where Brock banishes his demon or whatever.

    I'm not sure this is like Hogan getting WCW to sign Warrior just to get his win back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I'm not sure this is like Hogan getting WCW to sign Warrior just to get his win back.
    This is exactly how Vince thinks though.

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    Well, if Powder tells me it's how a guy he's never met thinks, it must be true.

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    Why, you do that all the time with us.

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    Never have I ever assumed how Vince McMahon thinks.

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    While you can't presume to know exactly how Vince McMahon thinks others that were around have given insight to his mind.

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    I saw them making a fuss about Lesnar being back. Brock is literally the only WWE thing that breaks through the wall of noise to reach me nowadays. Wedding angles aside, that is.

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    I just posted my thoughts on the Rumlbe on the Rumble thread...but when Heyman was complaining that there wasn't any worthy challengers left for Lesnar, I was hoping for Keith Lee to come out and challenge him. I still hope for Lee vs Lesnar at Mania, as the rumor mills are stating that neither Cain nor Fury are facing Lesnar, and no one on the roster makes any needle move.

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    I've seen that idea mentioned elsewhere, actually. I wouldn't say it was especially likely, but it seems you can't rule it out.

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    Now we can. Lee just won the #1 contender's match on NXT for the NA Title, so he appears he is staying in NXT to face Strong and most likely winning the title.

    But I can still dream of Lee vs Lesnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    I saw them making a fuss about Lesnar being back. Brock is literally the only WWE thing that breaks through the wall of noise to reach me nowadays. Wedding angles aside, that is.
    I think they're going to run a Rumble where at least the first 15-20 minutes of it is just a guy turning up and getting dumped by Lesnar.

    I've often wondered if WWE could do a whole Rumble like that, and I don't think they could. But I could certainly see them doing an extended version of the spot which Austin and Punk had in previous ones, just with Lesnar throwing out every newcomer for a lengthy period.

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    That would be great, but you know what would end up happening...

    Lesnar runs through 29 others, and then entrant 30 comes out, and it is Reigns, and Reigns goes and eliminates Lesnar for the win.

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    The IWC has all this hate for Brock Lesnar, and the part time stuff etc. But they (we) forget about all the good that he does.

    For instance, last night.

    • When Keith Lee comes out. Lesnar (appropriately) acted like he never met him, and his eyes lit up and mouthed...Wow, that's a big boy, and sold Lee coming in, and sold for Lee's offense.
    • His entire demeanor with Shelton Benjamin. You honestly felt that these guys are long time friends, which they are.
    • Lesnar dancing for MVP's theme music.
    • They way he sells for everyone.
    • Lesnar's facial expressions when eliminated or someone gets the better of him.


    Yes, he is a part timer. Yes he is not there often, but when he is, and actually taking part in something not just standing there and looking tough while Heyman speaks, he always delivers. For all the negative stuff you hear and read about him, he also gives back. he is never afraid to put people over, and make people look good.

    I am giving him credit where credit is due.

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    Oh, 100% - Lesnar at his best is outstanding. A lot of his good/great work gets lost in the shuffle of how he's booked or him not being there every week and that being problematic. But he does some fun stuff (his Ghettoblaster thing with the MitB briefcase) that pops the fans, and I don't think I've ever seen him not sell really well recently.

    Plus, I think his showing last night was his longest 'match' since returning.

    If Lesnar was there every week, or at least every PPV, I think people would have a really different - more positive - view on him during this run.

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    The problem with Brock's part time schedule is how the roster is booked when he's not there. With all the angles we have seen recently, ZERO people talked about wanting the WWE championship since he last defended the title. It's not that they all need to focus on that, but when you have a solid list of guys like Orton, Styles, Rollins, Joe, KO, and now Drew, and all of them are so preoccupied by their rivalries that they forget that there is a prize on Brock's shoulders. I can't remember for sure, but Drew feels like the only person who made any mention of that goal, which i guess was a a sign that he was the only one who was going to get a shot at doing it.

    So when the guys are feuding without a prize involved, and they don't even direct any of their energy towards that prize... you forget a lot quicker.

    Imagine if the stuff Matt Riddle has been saying on twitter and in interviews was actually said by someone on Raw. That's what's been missing.

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    Looks like we're getting Brock vs Ricochet at Super ShowDown.

    These are the kind of matches that excite me for Brock's run as champion, and it's a type of wrestler he's worked well with in the past too. Should be quite a fun match.

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    Yes.

    Weird ending to RAW though. McIntyre calls out Lesnar and calls him a coward because he blindside attacked him last week, and then Lesnar blindside attacks Ricochet, after the triple threat.

    So where was McIntyre making the save for Ricochet? Or where was Lesnar confronting McIntyre again?

    Just seemed weird. I completely understand the point of all of it, building to the Saudi show and all, but Drew should have come out to at least face off with Lesnar after the F5 to Ricochet.

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    Is there any kind of connection between McIntyre or Ricochet that they've established, so it'd make sense for him to intervene?

    Anyway, Cena apparently said something like Brock is the GOAT this week. Discuss.

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    Cena said something like Brock was the best in ring wrestler ever. I think he said something like Brock knows how to make himself look very strong and dominant when the time calls for it, and can make himself look like he's in jeopardy when the time calls for that. That's not an exact quote, you'll have to look it up.

    I think Brock and Undertaker are the two best big men workers of all time. However, I don't see many people agreeing with Cena that Brock is the best in ring worker ever. Since he squashed Cena, Brock has done mostly power wrestling, and for some reason power wrestling doesn't get nearly the respect that technical wrestling or high flying gets.

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    I remember Cena’s quote, and you are also correct, but incorrect at the same time. Brock wrestles the power style mostly, but when he faces those ‘smaller’ wrestlers, he really shows what he can do. Look at his matches against, Bryan, Styles, Punk, and soon to be Ricochet. Lesnar knows that he is physically dominant to those guys and in a real world situation, he would utterly destroy them, but he knows how to make them and their offense look effective and great.

    I would not go so far and say that Lesnar is the greatest in ring performer of all time, because of guys like HBK, DB, AJ Styles, Chris Jericho, and CM Punk among others, but Lesnar is in the top 10 maybe even the top 5, depending on who you ask.

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    "HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN ME!?!?!?"

    I am thankful no one on here is talking like that, but the reason that newspiece made the rounds was to antagonize wrestling fans into acting this way. Why we still give this much attention to internet news (rumors or antagonistic headlines) is beyond me.

    That said, Brock is likely the best wrestler in WWE today.

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    Rumor mills are swirling, that after Mania we may finally be getting the Lashley vs Lesnar match/feud. Lashley will be slowly moved away from Lana to set this feud up.

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