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    UFC/MMA

    With the next UFC event a few hours away it seems like a good thing to try and bring this back, and I'm going to stick it for now as a live thread.

    Then it'll become the general MMA thread in time.

    Anyway, Whittaker and Yomero is the main though I think I heard something about the latter failing to make weight?

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    Yeah missed it by a fifth of a pound. Always disappointing when it happens. I dunno, the whole weight thing has always been a mystery to me. They break their balls in the days leading up to the fight to get underweight, sometimes taking massive health risks and then walk into the cage 10-15 pounds heavier than the weigh in. I can see the advantage but it boggles me that they just don't fight at the more appropriate weight class.

    Dunno if I'll last the night on this one. If not will catch it tomorrow. Defo wanna see the Punk fight.

    Not a bad card overall this. Overeem, Rashad, Holm, RDA, Covington all on before the main event. Covington will be another good one to watch. The man always got some good heel shit in the bag.

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    Outside of the obvious taking place in the other thread, any thoughts on the rest of the card?

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    As a casual UFC fan, I thought it was a good show. Colby Covington is a prick but a talented fighter that pushed RDA to his limit. Good fight. And the Main event was a war. Also, Curtis Blaydes really destroyed Overeem's face. Not sure if he can beat Stipe but looks like the best heavyweight with a chance besides DC.

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    Odds are out for a match between Lesnar and Jon Jones. Bookies favouring Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Some of our press are picking up a story about the WWE being unable to secure Lesnar for any dates in the near future, including PPV through the rest of the summer. Interesting.
    UFC? Could he be going back in the USADA pool or whatever it is, so Dana can book him to defeat some other scrub? Or even he and Vince continue to work together on the Lesnar project and get Lesnar as duel UFC and WWE Champion?

    Like, I'm not naive enough to assume that Dana and Vince aren't working together right now, nor am I naive enough to fully think that UFC isn't 'booked' to some extent. I think they might do a duel champion thing.

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    I don't think Brock can beat Cormier (current champion in the division), or Jones (possible future champion, and Brock's big money fight they're dying to arrange).

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    Thing is, he doesn't have to beat them to make those fights happen.

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    Well, of course. He's in it for the big money, and Jones-Lesnar is a legitimate big time fight. I just meant that I don't expect him to be champion again.

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    Oh no. TBH, at his age and his skills, Brock could probably only beat a low end guy at this point. Someone that's just a brawler.. The top guys are pretty much levels above Brock... so I can only see one superfight and that's it. I think that's best for all involved too.. Put him in there with Stipe, Cormier or Jones and then UFC future guys aren't hurt if they somehow lose and if Brock won, he could have a few more big money fights.

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    Cormier v Stipe this weekend. Who have you got?

    I love both guys and can think of reasons to support both guys. I think it will come down to the wrestling, can Stipe's counter wrestling work hard enough to keep it on the feet where he has the much clearer advantage.

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    I'm hoping Stipe wins and fake champ Cormier cries.

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    I think Stipe is a better fighter and I do like DC but it would be better for the sport if he lost... and then lost his title not even to jones just to someone up and coming.

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    What is with all the Cormier hate? He has done nothing but beat everyone except a guy who's history with PEDs is suspect at best. Out of the cage he is engaging, intelligent and actually pretty funny.

    I get the Stipe love, he is basically Rocky in real life but not the DC hate.

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    I just think he’s as fake as they come. It’s also a joke he calls himself a champ. He never won the belt.

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    That heavyweight match before the main event was baffling.

    And Brock is out of hiding and in the house.

    EDIT: Props to DC. Wow. He won a belt tonight.
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    Can't wait for DC to wreck Brock. People may call DC fake and all that but he's a great fighter and should dominate Brock.

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    Brock is entertaining but not very skilled. It could be shorter than tonight's fight.

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    I imagine it will be. DC can throw combos now that Brock couldn't even dream of. All he has is his wrestling and DC is better at that....I guess brock could win if he took DC down and sat on him.

    Brock hasn't fought in a few years and did not look good against Mark Hunt of all people.

    I wonder if they bring back Jones to face Cormier at heavyweight next year? Lewis is clearly not ready.. .that fight was awful.. and they have no other heavyweight contenders.... Always thought Jon was too big for LHW anyway... if he has life together tho, he could rule both divisions if he wanted just like DC.
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    I'm not more intrested in Brock wrestling now that the UFC deal is done... i'm more into UFC simply because i want to see Brock get his ass kicked.. and I'm a Brock fan, it just amuses me that UFC and WWE bend over for him... When while he's been a huge star for UFC, would also get wrecked by most top heavyweights and in WWE, I don't think he's the draw he once was. If anything, his star is diminishing in both realms. UFC because of being away and the PEDS and WWE for being away so long and in a shit story line.

    I remember when you could say Brock was of the most over people on the roster just a few years ago.

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    Another interesting thing is that technically Brock and Dana and Cormier have not signed anything (yet). Brock could just be using this as a negotiating tactic, and re-sign with WWE. However, Dana said Brock still has fights left on his 'frozen' contract; so Brock could re-sign with WWE, and also still end up doing this fight.

    This is just as WWE is on its way to record revenues solely because of the TV deals. They could probably double his salary without flinching and match UFC's huge offers. How the times have changes.Brock's a genius.

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    I think the DC/Brock fight happens but almost regardless of what happens in the fight.... I don't see Brock winning but if he did.. you'd get more out of him of course... Still, there's not many money fights out there... if he wins, you do a Stipe fight... or Jon Jones... Brock loses the DC fight which is likely.. I don't know what you do after that. Plus DC is talking about retiring.. Jon Jones is the only other guy out there with a strong enough name even with his past.

    In theory, WWE could do more with Brock but do they really need to when they have Ronda and they already have that massive tv rights deal?

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    Brock's a freakshow attraction at this point. He loses to DC, you can still do the Jones fight when he's back and it'll sell PPVs. You can do the Brock-Hunt rematch. There's some intrigue there since Brock failed the test last time. We've never had the Overeem rematch, and a fight with Junior would be interesting.

    If he loses, you just put him in special attraction fights with legends and other names. It doesn't have to main event but still gets him on the poster and doing the promotional rounds.

    If he wins...good god. You've got the Stipe fight. The Overeem rematch again. Ngannou is one where Brock's got a halfway decent chance of coming out the other end with the belt, but if he doesn't you might have made a star overnight. Give Mark Hunt a title shot. Jones will probably be back eventually.

    My preference is actually for him to have all those non-title name fights, but that's mostly because I'm not sure we need to see Overeem or Junior in title fights in 2019.

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    Thing is, most of those guys have fallen off really bad.. they're not challenging for the title cause they're not at that level anymore (and Hunt never was but i guess i would be curious about a rematch.. except i don't think the ped's made him lose..) If Brock was to win, you could do those name fights if you wanted and/or build someone young to beat him...What sucks is Ngannou/Lewis had one of the worst fights i've ever seen on Saturday. plus, I think Brock is a good enough wrestler where he could get them both down..

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    Oh I completely agree with you. Brock's primary value is in big name fights at this point and doesn't need to win a belt to be a valuable asset.

    But this seems to be indicative of the fact that the Heavyweight division is just a little shallow at this point. You have the name guys who probably shouldn't be in a title fight at this point, and younger guys who aren't as exciting, don't have the name value and seem pretty evenly matched enough that nobody is really putting a bunch of wins together.

    Stipe and Brock would be really interesting and I think fun to watch, and you almost have to assume that no matter who wins he's next in line, right?

    I don't think that PEDs were the reason Hunt lost either, but when it comes to selling a PPV Hunt vs Brock, title or not, has a compelling story.

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    Yeah i don't think from a heavyweight standpoint, Stipe is out of it by no means. He was holding his own against DC and the power surprised him. he's the next best guy so unless Jon Jones is coming up, You'd almost have to have Stipe the next challenge (provided he beats whoever he faces in the interim) They could have built up Lewis or Ngannou for the spot but they were so unimpressive, they need to bounce back or you've really got nothing there.

    I see it going like Brock loses, and they probably try to sneak in a Brock/Jon jones fight before a Jones/DC rematch...

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