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    I think it would have left Becky vs Charlotte vs Asuka again for the Smackdown Title.

    BUT, right now I think we will get Charlotte vs Asuka II for the Title, with some sort of No DQ so that we can get a Baszler run in of some sort.

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    Alright. If they go with Nattie vs ronda for the title at Mania, does Nattie get the belt? or does Ronda go over?

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    ITS NOT HAPPENING....

    Fuck man, stop trolling. lols.

    Nattie, the woman who had a fart gimmick is not leap frogging Becky or Charlotte for that matter to take down Ronda. It would have zero heat. The match has already happened and she lost clean.

    it would have happened already if they were going to do the turn.

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    We have too many PPVs. Why bother have 2 PPVs between the rumble and mania when both brands are on all the PPVs anyways? Makes no sense to me.

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    The weekly tv needs the 3 or 4 week window cause they aren't willing to do longterm logical storylines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLostInRewind View Post
    We have too many PPVs. Why bother have 2 PPVs between the rumble and mania when both brands are on all the PPVs anyways? Makes no sense to me.
    They're trying to get your $9.99 and think that the "more is more" approach is the way to do it.

    What they don't seem to realize is that more main roster PPV events makes each individual one less special. I regularly miss PPV's now and only bother to catch up if I have time before the next one.

    Their statistics seem to reflect that fans don't much care about talk shows, roundtables or vault content, but it's new, live, in-ring wrestling content that is getting numbers.

    I too thought that Fastlane was too much. I miss the six weeks between No Way Out and WrestleMania. But they feel they have to keep pumping out this PPV content to keep our $9.99 coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    They're trying to get your $9.99 and think that the "more is more" approach is the way to do it.

    What they don't seem to realize is that more main roster PPV events makes each individual one less special. I regularly miss PPV's now and only bother to catch up if I have time before the next one.

    Their statistics seem to reflect that fans don't much care about talk shows, roundtables or vault content, but it's new, live, in-ring wrestling content that is getting numbers.

    I too thought that Fastlane was too much. I miss the six weeks between No Way Out and WrestleMania. But they feel they have to keep pumping out this PPV content to keep our $9.99 coming.
    Having gotten the network again and checking out the app on my tablet, i feel like WWE is adding as much in ring content they can in part to keep their hardcore base (the ones that watch everything) to click on more videos, more photos etc. You go to the app and its filled with videos of talent reacting to their latest match or countdowns and such. Its like WWE is pushing that youtube culture and you need content for that.. Plus if the network is increasing in price as rumored, they need EVEN MORE content lol

    Myself, I watch more vault stuff, older shows than i do the regular live content.

    Back to Becky, I didn't really care for the promo tonight cause not only is it an Austin retread, I don't think working an injury angle is the smartest thing in year 2019. Everybody knows how strict WWE is about injuries now.. you have some guys taped up but still working.. I don't know, just comes off like Becky is a bit of a whiner

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    The entire injury angle is the way that the WWE is putting Charlotte into the match.

    1. Becky is "hurt" and thus suspended.
    2. Becky refuses medical treatment.
    3. Stephanie needs a main event so she puts Charlotte into the match to fill Becky's spot again, to a chorus of boos from the crowd.
    4. Becky comes back, cleared and Stephanie makes it a triple threat.

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    The Charlotte thing, and her getting in the match, continues the storyline from Becky's summer as well - the whole point of that (and the whole reason why it failed miserable, because the character alignments were trash against how the WWE wanted people to react) was that Charlotte is entitled and gets chances based on her name alone rather than earning them, while Becky has had to fight constantly to even get a look in. It's why it worked when Becky had to earn a shot against Carmella but then Charlotte turned up on Smackdown once and ended up in the match, and now the same thing is going to happen, essentially, with Mania and Ronda.

    It's why it works to have Charlotte come out and just go 'well, I'll have that match if she can't go' and actually getting it, effectively, without doing anything to earn it except exist, but having Becky have to go through the Rumble then overcome other obstacles to get there.

    I don't like it, and I don't think it's the right route, but it all makes sense from a storytelling perspective, at least. And, you know, this will probably be the match with the longest story arc going in to Mania, especially with them looping it back to pre-SummerSlam.

    Can't help but feel that another benefit WWE sees in adding Charlotte is it means Ronda continues to not directly take a loss in WWE. Becky will either pin or tap out Charlotte, Ronda will remain 'undefeated'.

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    I understand the story telling logic and continuity of Charlotte being added, but in my honest opinion, and prediction, if/when Charlotte is added to the match to make it a triple threat, is the WWE might have another CM Punk/Daniel Bryan situation.

    The McMahaons all came to RAW and Smackdown to state that they are going to listen to the crowd. The crowd does not want Charlotte added to the match. All they want is to see Becky vs Rousey one on one, where Becky defeats Rousey either by pinfall or submission. That is the go home moment and the closing shot of Wrestlemania. The crowd will go nuts and that is really the only truly compelling story that the WWE has to tell this year.

    I could honestly see, now especially with AEW, if top stars, and yes, Becky is a top star, keeps getting passed over for the chosen few (cough, Charlotte, cough) she may ask to be released and join AEW. Most likely that WILL NOT happen, but it is a possibility now, especially with Ambrose choosing to not renew his contract. Does Vince really want to make his hottest property right now mad and feel slighted?

    Regardless, if Charlotte is added to the match, Becky still needs to win in, by submitting Rousey. Rousey is the one who needs to take the fall.

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    I don't think Becky cares if her friend Charlotte is added to the match and would see the bigger picture. Sure, would she love to main event 1 on 1? Yeah but i doubt its a tipping point. Becky is still going to be the one going over, she still gets shine... etc

    She isn't being passed over in that scenario.

    I don't want Charlotte in the match either but lets not make it out to be why Becky would leave the company.

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    I did say that Becky wouldn't leave over it, but if she keeps feeling slighted, it could lead to her leaving.

    The best thing about AEW, without them even having traction yet, a TV show yet, a PPV yet, and all they are doing is signing talent, but they are making waves in the WWE. Vince is feeling somewhat threatened, as he is trying to lock up contracts for the future. So why wouldn't he want to keep Becky happy? She is THE hottest commodity in professional wrestling right now. She is the biggest star in the company, and the most over. She was able to give Stephanie what was coming to her, and slap HHH in the face. She walks into an arena and gets the biggest pop. That is who you try to build around right now for your biggest show. You do not add more to the match. You put Charlotte into a feud for Mania, but no where near the main event match. This is Becky's time.

    This is why Punk left. He was tired of being pushed down the card and not put into the main event for other people, like Cena, The Rock, HHH, etc. I would bet that if AEW was a thing 5 years ago, we would have seen Punk there.

    Becky will NOT leave, but when she wins at Mania, and then if she is not given a lengthy title run, and if she is eventually fed to Charlotte, I could see Becky choosing to leave.

    The WWE needs to stop forcing their chosen ones and listen to the crowd, like they used to do, and they say they do, otherwise people will jump ship and/or leave, like Ambrose, as he already set the precedent.
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    lol at Becky leaving cause she doesn't get a lengthy title run lol..

    But i get what you're trying to say, I just don't see this as Becky being slighted.. if anything, they're using Charlotte in such a way that makes people want to root for Becky more... and I don't see that changing...it will just sorta of shift if they really planning on doing the 4 horsewomen feud or not.

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    Last night was the first time I think ever, that the WWE did not cater to Charlotte. She came out and was her typical self (vomit) and it was all for Becky to make her entrance. Then when HHH came out, he dismissed Charlotte. That was the best thing about last night.

    Becky was made to look strong, but still they could have done the exact same segment where Becky comes to the ring through the crowd, talks on the mic, HHH comes out, etc.

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    They could have but Charlotte claiming that she should get a shot if Becky is injured (while mocking her) like others have said makes story sense. I don't like Charlotte being forced in either but there's also no evidence that Becky really been diminished because of it.

    The one that's taken the hit because of Charlotte is Asuka.

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    Yup, and two weeks in a row, no Smackdown Women's champ on the show. We should be getting a Wrestlemania rematch for the SDWC instead of Charlotte added into the Becky/Rousey match.

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    I, for one, am stoked for Asuka vs Mandy Rose at WrestleMania.

    Charlotte's been as important as either Becky or Ronda - and the latter is looking at being the fourth most interesting person in the match behind Becky, Charlotte, and the referee if she keeps up her current form - to the evolution of this story and feud, so it makes a hell of a lot of sense for her to be in there. Personally I'd like them to get Becky vs Charlotte done on one of the in between PPVs for the Rumble winners contract or whatever, and then let that go into Becky vs Ronda, but hey, whatever, the whole thought of it, Triple Threat or no Triple Threat, is the most excited I've been for a main roster women's division match since the 'revolution' started, which says it all.

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    I'm all about Charlotte being in the match. Fuck, go full Mania 30 and have Becky need to beat HHH at the start of the show. Stack the odds absurdly, the end goal is Becky ending the show with her hand raised. I don't care who she beats, because whoever she doesn't pin/submit is her post Mania feud! It just all seems win/win to me (which is so rare nowadays with WWE).

    I think people go so locked on the idea of Ronda/Becky at mania that anything else seems a let down. But take a step back and it's perfect, it's Becky beating the two most entitled, up their own arse people. The fucking judo prodigy that thinks she's above the sport and the second gen that thinks shes above everyone just by virtue of birth. It is fucking perfect pro wrestling storytelling. I cant wait for the video package. Fucking love a video package.

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    Either way, Ronda needs to tap.

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    Oh, fuck yeah. I just don't think it has to happen at Mania, necessarily. But agreed that Beckys story needs clean wins over charlotte and ronda over the next few months.

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    Possible spoiler below, but I don't think it'll surprise anyone...

    Apparently locally they're advertising Charlotte Vs Becky for Fastlane, which would suggest they're having a match with the Mania title shot on the line to me.

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    My guess is that Rousey interfers, causes a no contest and Charlotte gets added that way.

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    Can we get a name change of this thread? The Lasskicker is dated. The Man is more appropriate.

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    I'm laughing at the idea that we're worried about the title of a thread being 'appropriate'.

    But done. People power and all that.

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    She taps out to Asuka and still proclaims to be “the man” and now we are suppose to forget about that and that she’ll just tap Rousey like her tapping never happened? Sigh... Just WWE booking 101.

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    Slandering Becky's booking?! That's a bold move Heisenberg, IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME!!!!!


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    Don’t even get me started on her character! You have a gif of the great LA Parka so I shall let you off.

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    Two gifs of La Parka to be fair.

    We also have Samoa joe talking shit after every match even though he hasn't won a title on the main roster.

    Just how it goes. Winning the rumble makes up for the tap imo anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LK3185 View Post
    Two gifs of La Parka to be fair.
    It would be three but the LOP overlords are trying to suppress me, much like the wrestling world as a whole is trying to suppress Heisenberg's (if that is indeed his identity!) polarizing views on Becky Lynch! Luckily I can circumvent them by posting the third Park gif here!



    Chop that impostor tree down Chairman!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    She taps out to Asuka and still proclaims to be “the man” and now we are suppose to forget about that and that she’ll just tap Rousey like her tapping never happened? Sigh... Just WWE booking 101.
    I didn't like the Rumble booking either, but, on the E&C podcast, Edge did quickly explain another way to spin it. Basically, by submitting to Asuka, it has been established that Lynch is vulnerable and could tap out to Rousey. So, by showing weakness at the Rumble, we're supposed to believe that beating Rousey at Mania is not guaranteed.

    Personally, I don't like that and don't think they made the right call, but that was one explanation.

    To me, the writers/bookers/agents or Vince himself just fucked up. It was clear what they could've done considering the "knee injury" angle they used at the end of the Women's Rumble:

    - Becky injures her knee against Asuka. Asuka doesn't necessarily cause the injury, but Becky tweaks the knee on a bad landing or some other way. The referee decides she can no longer continue despite her protests and Asuka is declared the winner by ref's decision or countout. The crowd shits on it.

    - Later, in a backstage segment, we see Becky complain to Finlay. She begs to get into the Rumble, but there's no spot for her. Rousey walks by and smirks. This establishes three things - (1) Becky is pissed, (2) Finlay is sympathetic and is an authority for whatever reason, and (3) Rousey and Lynch are still beefing and their animosity is more personal than Becky/Asuka.

    - Rumble happens exactly how it did. Now, when Becky asks Finlay if she can enter in place of the injured entrant, we know that Finlay is an authority and can make that call and that he's sympathetic to her plight and respects her fighting spirit. Also, when Becky does enter the Rumble, you can still build the ending around her supposed injured knee.

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    Last night was the absolute worst way to get Charlotte added to the WM match, and the crowd acted in the best way possible. With a huge show of contempt. It was not heat, it was a resentment feeling.

    The WWE needs to stop this shit. This is exactly why people might jump ship to AEW.

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    Hate to burst your bubbles, boyos, but there is no way Becky is beating Ronda at WM. They added Charlotte so Becky could lose the match without being pinned or submitted.


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    What in the hell is Vince doing? They had HHH and Stephanie and even Vince state that Becky vs Ronda could be the biggest WM match of all time (doubt it) and then they go and change it to add Charlotte.

    This is what makes fans angry and want to turn off the product.

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    Hate to burst your bubbles, boyos, but there is no way Becky is beating Ronda at WM. They added Charlotte so Becky could lose the match without being pinned or submitted.
    That or they added her to the match so Becky would win without Ronda taking the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLostInRewind View Post
    That or they added her to the match so Becky would win without Ronda taking the fall.
    Bingo.

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    I think it's also very likely they're doing this to make sure Ronda isn't getting booed, as this gets all the heat onto Charlotte.

    There are many, many issues here. For one, if it were me, Ronda vs. Becky is the way to go. That's the match that has had the hype since November, it's the match everyone I know still watching WWE was excited for after that post Rumble segment. The only argument for a triple threat in my view is that the match might be better and that's not a good enough reason, especially since Charlotte-Becky-Ronda is, at most, a 4 1/2 star match compared to the 4, 4 1/4 star match that Becky and Ronda would've had (and that's just the floor). That's still a memorable match with a much more more memorable angle in my estimation. So that's problem number one.

    Problem number two is WWE then completely overthinking everything once they decided this would be a triple threat. All they needed to do after last week was keep Becky suspended, put Charlotte in the match and then have Becky force her way back in. It's not as good as the one on one angle but it's workable. Instead they come up with this convoluted, McMahon focused plot where Becky has to confront all of them throughout last week, then spend a whole show deciding if she should apologize to them, only for that apology (and thus the whole show) to immediately be invalidated by Vince because "SHE'S GOT A BAD ATTITUDE!" It's all so pointless and unnecessary and would be shocking if WWE hadn't done this 9,001 times over the past 18 years. And that's before we get into the whole thing WWE themselves pointed out a month ago, on screen, that the show sucked, things were changing and the fans were now the Authority. I must've missed when the McMahon's getting involved in unnecessary anti-authority angles wasn't the rage since 1998 because it appears that's all WWE is doing.

    I feel like a lot of the people saying today "you're getting worked" or "just give it time" are kind of missing that whole point. Yes things can turn around, yes maybe WWE finds a way to pull the rabbit out of the hat. But it doesn't change the fact that WWE had this organic, white hot angle between the budding superstar and a legit crossover star that had already done everything it needed to to get fans excited. If WWE just lets these two cut promos, have their Twitter beef and leave well enough alone for the next two months they have a money match on their hands. And what happens instead? The whole thing becomes another McMahon fueled drama where they shoehorn another wrestler in because...because. Now that white hot singles match becomes a three way that a) destroys any chance for a compelling Smackdown title match (have you seen the Smackdown Women's roster other than Asuka, Becky and Charlotte? It's the dead zone) b) will be less over than the singles match and c) gives you no satisfying conclusion. Like think of all the scenarios for the finish of that match now. If Becky beats Charlotte in order to protect Ronda it's a waste; Becky has beaten Charlotte twice in the past year, beating her again is just meaningless. Becky beating Ronda would just raise the question of why Charlotte needed to be included. Ronda beating either of them would make little sense given Ronda appears to be going on hiatus, and the whole point of this match is for her to put someone over. And Charlotte winning is just going to piss people off in a bad way.

    It's all just so stupid. They had a sure thing and they traded it in for a clusterfuck. Unless Becky vs. Charlotte is happening at Fastlane to determine Ronda's opponent and Becky wins (itself another pointless thing because it would again be Becky beating someone she's already proven to be dominate over) it feels like WWE really screwed the pooch on this one.


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    For some reason, WWE is just obsessed with the idea of Charlotte and Ronda involved together.

    You're 100% correct on this. Everyone is behind Becky. Everyone. Just fucking ride that wave. She could be your biggest star, period. Not biggest female star, just biggest star.

    Becky has everyone's full support. She doesn't have people (and I was one) arguing that she's not big enough or doesn't have the mainstream audience's support like with Daniel Bryan. She doesn't have people saying that she has the wrong look like some older school people did with CM Punk.

    She's a beautiful girl who can talk trash and go in the ring, she has everything it takes to be a crossover star and appeal to absolutely everyone. Becky Lunch could be your next John Cena or Steve Austin, all of the stars are aligning perfectly for that to happen, and it really looks like they might somehow miss the boat on it.

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    Wow Coach. I was expecting us to debate this until the Leafs won the Stanley Cup (this summer, still a long time for a wrestling debate) and instead we agree! This is why I love you Coach; always keeping me on my toes!

    I just wish this sort of thing actually still surprised me but this is just par the course for WWE these days. Like you said, this should be the layup of all layups and WWE is instead now in position to throw it all away. It be unbelievable if WWE didn't just get out of a four year period where they could only get Roman Reigns over once he got leukemia, among other issues. At this point I think you could give Vince McMahon the script, cast and crew of The Godfather, and he'd somehow turn it into The Godfather Part III.


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    No man, it's so frustrating to watch them have lightning in a bottle and just either not know it, or want to cater to that attitude of keeping every star in a top top match at Mania.

    They need to look back at their history. The most over stars in the top angle needs to be the match that's booked. This is Becky's year, Charlotte had hers last year when she ended Asuka's streak! Would WrestleMania 18 have been better if they'd decided that Austin couldn't afford a step back for a year after being in the main event the prior year and had made it a triple threat with Rock and Hogan? Would WrestleMania 21 have been better if they'd decided to hold strong to the Orton push and added him to Batista vs Triple H?

    It's really, really frustrating that they have this opportunity to put a star that has everything that they want in a top star and the fans behind them, something that hasn't happened in 15 years since Cena, but they're going to piss it away because any time the women make history Charlotte has to be involved, so of course she's going to be there the first time the women main event Mania.

    I like Charlotte a lot. I think that she's a supreme talent. But this isn't her year, nor her moment in history.

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    There's a few options and scenarios of why they've done this the way they have. Scenario one is they want Charlotte in the match to take the fall, Option two, they're making Becky earn it again at Fastlane, taking Charlotte out of the match but then they'd have to Charlotte the consolation prize of Asuka when really Charlotte should have went after Asuka anyway..

    Option 3 is The Daniel Bryan booking where Becky continues to get screwed over and then she beats the authority in the opener of mania to get added to the match. Oh so original.

    Having two PPVs before Mania means that WWE in their mind has to manufacture this type of drama... but getting to the end point doesn't make it a good story.

    Also cult brings up the point that WWE makes these false promises where the McMahon family was going to give people fresh matches, things fans want to see.. and it took all about a month to wash that away lol.

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