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    The IIconics thread

    I didn't see one, so here is something for The IIconics.

    I didn't watch them in NXT, and when they were drafted to Smackdown, I sort of hated them. Since then, they've really grown on me.

    And there is something about their theme song. I feel like it reminds me of a flamboyant RPG character - for any of those that play those sorts of games.

    At the moment of this posting, they've each got a win over Naomi. I don't know what they're doing with this story. It seems like filler to establish one over the other right now, but it'd be nice if it turned into something credible. Am I the only one they've grown on? I don't think they're at top tier level right now, but it'd be good to establish them as a credible duo for when the Women's tag titles get introduced.... If they get introduced.

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    I like the IIconics and they improved in NXT in-ring (especially Peyton Royce). They remind me of Laycool a little bit, but with even more upside.

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    I hate the name. Every time I hear it, it makes me think of the word colonics. Plus TWO I's!? Iconic Duo was so much better, sounds natural to say and just works.

    I get they wanted to do the logo with the silhouettes, but there's two I's in iconic already that they could have made it work with.

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    I didn't pay much attention to them in NXT, admittedly, but I dig them a lot now on Smackdown. They're one of the most entertaining parts of the show. I do wish that they were a bit more of a threat when it comes to actual matches since I feel like they lose a lot more than they should. I mean, they're heels and all so they should lose but it doesn't seem like they pull off too many wins either to get that heat. I don't blame them, it just seems like that the show is structured around just one main feud for women these days.

    If the long-standing rumor of the WWE creating tag team championships for the women's division comes true, they would probably be the ones to gain the most out of that deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate View Post
    I didn't pay much attention to them in NXT, admittedly, but I dig them a lot now on Smackdown. They're one of the most entertaining parts of the show. I do wish that they were a bit more of a threat when it comes to actual matches since I feel like they lose a lot more than they should. I mean, they're heels and all so they should lose but it doesn't seem like they pull off too many wins either to get that heat. I don't blame them, it just seems like that the show is structured around just one main feud for women these days.

    If the long-standing rumor of the WWE creating tag team championships for the women's division comes true, they would probably be the ones to gain the most out of that deal.
    Maybe them being a non threat during their debut run was what bothered me. I get kind of burnt on the "non-serious jobbers" who are kind of personalities and get air time, but it's for nothing. So I thought they weren't credible and just sort of there. I'd love if they got a serious push. It seems to be going that way...?

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    I'm really hopeful we get these two against LayCool at Evolution. It seems like an obvious booking choice to me, if McCool and Layla are going to be involved. The former is very heavily rumoured, but I've not heard much on the latter.

    Anyway, I love these two with all my heart.

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    I've not seen too much of them since they were promoted (pretty much given up by then) but from what I can tell they seem to be filling an important, if slightly unheralded, role on the show - where they take a fair few beatings and make other people look better. Is that about right or is there more for them out there than this?

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    They are enhancement talent and are completely annoying on the mic. I never saw them in NXT, but if their act was the same, I don't know how they were popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder View Post
    They are enhancement talent and are completely annoying on the mic. I never saw them in NXT, but if their act was the same, I don't know how they were popular.
    Their looks, of course.

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    I think the act were better promo wise in NXT. Also, I think Peyton Royce has regressed in the ring and they didn't go with the big push when they probably should have...
    Last edited by LK3185; 11-30-2018 at 11:28 AM.

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    I don't know if they were popular. They annoyed people and the NXT crowd are more willing to be annoyed by a heel. The main shows seem to expect them to be awesome all the time and like people you'd want to cheer even though they are heels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeLostInRewind View Post
    Their looks, of course.
    That's some bad bullshit, right there.

    They were popular on NXT because they were entertaining on NXT. They were just grating, awful heels, a little bit egotistical, and the crowd responded to them being those characters. I don't think they've been given a decent shot on the main roster, which is a shame.

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    They might get the shot now, what with the big Mania win. How long do they keep the belts for?

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    I fear it'll be one, maybe two, pay per views. Which is not what the belts need right now, they need a solid establishing run. Ideally, for me, it would up to SummerSlam.

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    Bayley and Sasha should have been the ones to establish the belts since they were the first Women's tag team champions, but since that can no longer be the case, I guess the Iiconics will. I'd much prefer if they weren't a comedy type of duo, but oh well.

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    I don't think they are a comedy act at all. They are arrogant heels. Honestly I thought it was predictable they'd win at Wrestlemania since the titles would do more for them than any other pair, plus they are the only real tag team.

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    Very fitting that the first Australian tag team in WWE since the Fabulous Kangaroos are heels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortablynumb View Post
    I don't think they are a comedy act at all. They are arrogant heels. Honestly I thought it was predictable they'd win at Wrestlemania since the titles would do more for them than any other pair, plus they are the only real tag team.
    This, entirely. For me they're annoying heels who play the comedy side of it lightly and with a good touch. Their recent backstage work has been terrific from a character and fun perspective, and despite being a mark for Bayley I'm already enjoying them as champions much more than Boss n Hug.

    There's a line of thought, for me, that the 'Four Horsewomen' and a lot of the top level women since the Revolution all take this far too seriously. It's really po-faced, in a lot of ways, and that serves a purpose in making it all feel a bit more important and legitimate, but also kind of slowly sucks the fun out of things. It's why Becky's off screen stuff with Ronda was so enjoyable - there was a good element of with there, which it seems we don't get from anyone on screen.

    I think that makes the IIconics kind of important, because while they aren't a comedy act, they are certainly comical and fun. It brings a sense of levity to the female side of things that we don't get in the main event picture.

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    I must confess that I haven't seen too much of it since promotion, but it's felt more to me like they were arrogant heels in NXT, and are playing a kind of pastiche of arrogant heels for laughs on the main roster.

    As for taking it too seriously, I could stand everyone taking it a whole lot more serious than they do. Still feels like playtime rather than anything with any stakes more often than not, women and men both.

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    I agree with Oliver, cannot see them as champions by the time June rolls around

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    I'm not too wild about the tag titles having a short reign on anyone since if you're going to introduce the belts, you need to have a fairly lengthy run for someone at the beginning.

    I also don't buy that Sasha and Bayley couldn't be a real tag team. There have been competitors who didn't debut as a team that eventually became one. Bradshaw and Ron Simmons as the Acolytes and soon the APA, Kane and Daniel Bryan became a tag team known as Team Hell No, Jerishow, ShowMiz, The Rhode Scholars and The Bar as other examples. You don't need to come in this business as a tag team to become one.

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    The first two reigns for the RAW tag titles (the former SD tag titles from 2002) were 4 weeks COMBINED. It doesn't matter as much as you think it does, if they make it matter in the long run.

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    The length of a reign really doesn't matter and a long reign isn't immediately a successful one. This is some BS cooked up in response to the Attitude Era "musical belts", but each reign when they were trading the title six times per year made the belt important arguably more than AJ Styles near year long run with that same title because it was always the absolute most important thing on the show being fought over by the absolute most important people on the show.

    Bayley and Sasha could have had a Bruno-length run with the belts but if they, and by extension the titles, weren't treated as a top act in the women's division, it wouldn't have made a difference to the belts "meaning something". The same thing is going to happen with The Iiconics. They're being treated like a fluke joke, and so those belts aren't going to gather any steam with them, even if they hold them for a year.

    The Women's Tag Team Titles were unnecessary in a company that already has so many titles. What was the point of them? If you had one Women's Title, one World Title, one set of Men's Tag Team Titles, one set of Women's Tag Team Titles and a midcard belt per show I could see it. But as it stands, this Women's Revolution™ has been going on for like three years, and every women that WWE wants you to believe is worth a damn has spent that time being established as a singles star. Great, Asuka and the pirate are a tag team now. Them chasing The Iiconcs doesn't make the belts feel more meaningful, it makes Asuka feel like she's got better things she should be doing.

    I understand that they want gender parity and part of that, they feel, requires a women's tag team division. But these are needless belts in a company that already has too many. And to make things worse, The Iiconcs have been sticking to Smackdown (which is probably better than having them travel brands, to be honest) but all the worthwhile teams were on Raw. However, they split The Riott Squad, Nia is out injured and Sasha is crying on the floor.

    So we're left with the makeshift Japanese team and Mandy and Sonya suddenly putting their issues aside and coming back together. Their Women's Tag Team division, what little of it existed, could not have been decimated at a worse time.

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    I'm fine with a tag division for the women because they have women up that don't even do anything or are there to job. Which in turn, shrinks the value of how important someone is. Unfortunately, this company rarely does seconadary women's feuds and there's at least potential with a tag division to protect people before a singles run.

    One of the problems though is that Sasha/Bayley were on the verge of splitting up, then they get the titles, told they will be defending it against all comers... then the title is dropped to the Iconics and treated like filler. Sasha and Bayley didn't need a marathon run but it would have helped establish the titles as something if they defended the titles til like Summerslam. The Iconics on the other hand will lose every match and fill time until they fluke win title matches.

    Which would be fine if the titles had been established to be something to go after.. but they have very few teams for it.

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    Ugh hard to take the Iiconics seriously as tag champs when they keep losing. I get that Sane just debuted, but even the Iiconics jobbed on Raw to Bayley and Naomi. I guess we're not suppose to take them seriously, but still. Pretty much reinforces my opinion that Bayley and Sasha should have kept the belts a bit longer. Agree or disagree with me, it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    The Women's Tag Team Titles were unnecessary in a company that already has so many titles. What was the point of them?
    I canít wait until we get womenís IC and US titles.

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    I'm still holding out hope for a strong Sonya singles push. Obviously I stan her as a fellow LGBT, but she's good.

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    It's pretty obvious that a good short reign beats a bad long one, but a good long reign does more for a title, especially a new one, than good short ones. Yes, it's about how well you treat it but if it seems like it's hard to come by winning it will feel like it matters more.

    If they switch now I say leave it on the next lot to shift the rhythm of the changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon View Post
    It's pretty obvious that a good short reign beats a bad long one, but a good long reign does more for a title, especially a new one, than good short ones. Yes, it's about how well you treat it but if it seems like it's hard to come by winning it will feel like it matters more.

    If they switch now I say leave it on the next lot to shift the rhythm of the changes.
    Well, Bayley and Sasha didn't exactly have a notable short reign. It would have been better if they kept the titles at least until MITB, and the Iiconics title reign hasn't been a stellar short one, either. May as well just shift the belts to Sane and Asuka at this point. Though, in the future, I would not mind seeing Trish Stratus and/or Lita coming back for a tag title reign and give the belts some prestige while elevating the team that beats them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O. View Post
    I'm still holding out hope for a strong Sonya singles push. Obviously I stan her as a fellow LGBT, but she's good.
    I'm super into Sonya, and think she might be the most underrated talent currently on the female main roster. Would have loved to see her get a proper shot at Ronda and do something with a real MMA flair to it. Hopefully she gets something good to do in the future.

    As far as the women's tags go - I'm struggling with them because they've dropped them straight into booking 101 hell of 'X has pinned the tag team champions!', which just bores me. I want to have some kind of reason to believe in the stories they're telling, and at the moment all I've got is 'well, they beat them once'. It's like Wade Barrett, when he was IC title he couldn't win unless he was actually defending the title.

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    WWE booking doesn't vary much no matter how progressive the titles are!

    Honestly I do like that the titles exist, regardless of what they do with them because at least you've got the potential for something cool and meaningful if WWE decides to care (like we get occasionally with the men's tag titles). Not a fan of Trish and Lita coming in to win the belts though. I'm ok if they come in and get beat but avoiding putting titles on the elderly should be a big priority for WWE right now as they try to look as fresh as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O. View Post
    I'm still holding out hope for a strong Sonya singles push. Obviously I stan her as a fellow LGBT, but she's good.
    Also it would be something as the first openly gay wrestler to win a major title in wrestling. Orlando Jordan doesn't count.

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    Ah yes, the old 'not gay enough' argument, just like how The Rock is 'not black enough'.

    As far as I recall, Jordan wasn't 'out' as bisexual when he was in WWF - similar to how Pat Patterson wasn't publicly 'out' when he was there, although from what I understand it was a open secret backstage and in wrestling circles, so him winning the IC title in '79 could be considered.

    What about Darren Young's tag title runs with Titus in 2015? Or are we only talking major singles titles?

    As for the IIconics - hey, at least they didn't lose on Raw last night! Granted, they weren't really on the show, but they went a show without one or both of them losing!
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    Not that Orlando Jordan wasn't gay enough, just would you want his runs being the ones you hold as your "first openly gay champion"? No, me neither.
    His TNA work was even worse....

    And I meant major singles title. Tag Titles are treated like crap, but either RAW or Smackdown Woman's Champion is major.

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    They're now the longest reigning Women's Tag Team Title holders. Worship them!

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    I already do, Ollie!

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    Yes T.O.! Internet high fives for us, because we are *gestures* Iiiiiconic!

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    In my best comic book guy voice....Worst Tag Team Ever.

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    You're wrong, get your negativity out of our positive thread, Poweder.

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    I'll say something positive about them. Peyton Royce is really hot.

    They do need to lose the belts, though. They're not exactly bring prestige to them.

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