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    Hey, I've been preaching against the long match = good match narrative for years!

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    I'm at the point where I'm genuinely excited for Powerrr on a Tuesday evening now - possibly more than any show in the week.

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    I haven't caught Powerrr Live on Youtube, but I think I've watched it by the NXT starts the next night about 9 times out of 10 since it debuted. It's such an easy watch.

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    Same, I never watch live but it's real easy to pick up after the fact. I don't know or frankly care how it looks financially, it's great to have them on Youtube.

    Not sure if I'll catch the thing they're posting tonight in lieu of a new Powerrr, some kind of episode about looking for new talent it sounds like?

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    I watched the new series (Circle Squared) and have a few mixed feelings about it.

    The name doesn't do it for me. It doesn't feel good saying it. Even the guy doing the interviews seemed like he got tripped up a few times saying it. But this has nothing to do with the show.

    The concept itself is pretty interesting. There's a ton of good indy talent out there and this is a great way to introduce a few new people to the mix outside of their regular programming. It sort of reminded me of TNA's Gut Check segments years ago, which was one of the things I enjoyed about Impact the few times I watched back then. The match on the show was decent, nothing spectacular.

    They will have a voting element to the show so I wonder if those results are real or not in the long run. They also mentioned that "feedback" would also be taken into consideration which sounds kinda suspicious to me, but we'll see how that all turns out.

    The part that I really disliked were the sections where they showed fans reacting to the episode. To be honest, I could care less about the fan reactions and opinions during a wrestling show itself. I guess I'm not in the age group where the ever-so-popular reaction videos are not fun to watch whatsoever. It's guess having this kind of interactivity is great in getting people to watch the show but having it scattered throughout the entire show was too much for me. I hope they either put that towards the end of the episodes so I can avoid watching those segments, or remove them altogether onto a separate show.
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    I did see some feedback already with fans saying it's pretty hard to vote with any confidence based on what you can see in a 3 minute tag match, so that could be some of the feedback they take on.

    I think it's always been hard to effectively do a show like this, both Tough Enough and Gut Check had their moments but they were never effective at finding wrestlers who end up being a big deal. Doesn't hurt to try though, a pretty low stakes experiment that might pay off with something interesting.

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    Yeah, it's not quite what I expected it to be. But I guess we still don't know the parameters, do we? Like, is there a single winner, do several of these guys get a shot if they show promise, or what's the end goal here? It seems like maybe whomever shows promise will get picked up.

    Based on what I saw last night, PJ doesn't know how to safely set up for a suplex (but he can dive off a balcony ) and he can only "play" pro wrestler at promo time. The other guys have a good intense promo and their work is solid, I'd probably keep them around but I didn't see much in the father and son.

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    Yeah, I thought the team of Dean and Neal did a lot better overal than the Hawx family, even though they didn't win the match. I wouldn't mind them being a part of the NWA tag team division, it looks like they would fit in well there.

    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    I think it's always been hard to effectively do a show like this, both Tough Enough and Gut Check had their moments but they were never effective at finding wrestlers who end up being a big deal.
    Most wrestlers who could wind up being a big deal wouldn't have to go through shows like this!

    It's still a good foot in the door for some people to have some bigger exposure than they're used to, although I'm not sure what size of the current NWA viewing audience is on YouTube. The NWA channel has 190K subscribers which is a decent amount. It does pale in comparison to others. AEW is getting close to the 1 million mark. TNA has over 3 million. Ring of Honor has 426K subscribers. At least they beat MLW

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    So, to clarify it looks like in theory both teams could stick around. The voting is worded as a Yes or No option for each individual team as to whether or not you think they should stick around for a chance to be a part of the NWA roster.

    That's not a bad way of doing things. For on online based show, if you see anyone getting overwhelming support online, you would be smart to keep them around.

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    Makes a lot of sense to keep anyone the crowd likes. Especially since past shows like this often end up better for the runner ups than the winners (The Miz, anyone?).

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    I was a little disappointed with Powerrr this week, for the first time in forever - there just didn't seem to be a lot of wrestling on the show, and I guess I'm used to seeing at least once competitive match a week. Good storyline bits were there, for sure, and I appreciated that - but I'd have liked that one longer match.

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    I was on the road from Friday until Tuesday, so I've only seen about the first half of Power. I want Cornette back. I feel like the wrestlers and even Lagana held back a little because they knew if they did something that was dumb, Cornette would bury it on commentary.

    But this week we had a schlub who had a suit jacket 15x too big for him cutting a staged promo that nobody would believe with Tim Storm, and a triple threat where two guys stood on the outside throwing weak forearms and waiting to catch the third for long enough that even Barrett made mention of the fact that he'd been in the ring not doing anything for quite some time.

    I hope that with the added ROH influence and lack of a guy who will call out what he thinks is stupid, NWA isn't just going to slowly transition to being a regular indy with a retro style show.

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    That's an interesting point to bring. I started to regularly watch the show after the Cornette debacle, but l rewatched some of the earlier shows when he was on commentary and I can see how that could make some of the wrestlers do things differently.

    This week's show left a lot to be desired. There were a few good points that I enjoyed. I liked Eddie Kingston's promo and the subsequent Bouncers heel turn. Kingston can cut a mean, believable promo. I'm not sure where they're taking this whole thing but I'm really digging the work Kingston is doing on the mic. Aron Stevens was also fun on the mic - I didn't know what to make of his current gimmick the first time I saw it but he can apparently make anything work. I also think May Valentine's video diaries are great in the sense that they're effective - they just make me dislike her so damn much by how horrible the whole thing is put together.

    Other parts were meh. There needs to be more than just Matt Cross and Zicky Dice as contenders to the TV championship. I don't know what the point of the Question Mark gimmick is after such a weak showing against Trevor Murdoch. I was disappointed in the main event ending the way it did without a match after all the buildup throughout the show.

    It felt like the show is mostly focused on setting things up for the Crockett Cup event, so it was buildup-heavy. Hopefully they get back to more wrestling action soon.

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    I think that the Question Mark is an example of how sometimes going with the fans isn't the best idea.

    I think e was just intended to be a Midnight Rider-style ploy after Josephus was suspended, and that maybe it would lead to him bringing in his Spiritual Advisor.

    The problem is, Question Mark caught on with the fans. And while this has done wonders for giving Aron Stevens something to work with, I don't think even NWA right now knows what the point of Question Mark is. He was intended to have a limited shelf life, but people decided they like him.

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    Accurate. NWA made the mistake of making this goofy, yet over, character legitimate. Gillberg got over, but he didn't suddenly become a threat to anyone.

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    This week's episode was pretty solid with some good matches and angles playing out. It was a nice balance of both which I think is perfect for a one-hour show like this.

    I liked both title matches on the show. I did not expect Ricky Starks to drop the title in the early stages of the Lucky 7 run. I thought he'd get close, around the 5 or 6 match mark, losing just before #7. Oh well, I think Zicky Dice is going to do a decent job with it, sneaky bastard that he is.

    I also think Aron Stevens is just great. I'm enjoying his segments quite a bit.

    This was the first time I saw the whole May Valentine / Royce Isaacs / Sal angle play out in the studio and I think that's a good little storyline. They can go a couple of ways with that story which keeps it interesting.

    The main event was a lot better than I thought, and it continued the build-up towards Kingston and Pope. The buildup is making me look forward to that match whenever it happens.

    One thing I didn't mention before, I'm pretty happy NWA got Sean Mooney to be a part of the show. I don't understand how he looks and sounds exactly like he did in his WWF days 25+ years ago, at least to me. He's great at the role he's in right now.

    Looks like next week we're getting two more episodes of the Circle Squared. Not too excited to see those, to be honest.

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    I think the Question Mark is ok as long as the fans still like him. As a manager/partner for Stevens he works fine, though there definitely will be a time to phase him out.

    I liked this episode pretty well. I don't get much out of Starks or Dice, to be honest, and I wish I saw some more urgency in the TV title matches since the time limit is pretty short. But I do think it's a title custom made for a heel, so Dice will be able to do a lot of sneaky crap to try to rack up seven defenses.

    Love Stevens. I remember when he went to Impact and everyone thought he was exposed as the more useless thing ever. Turns out he's still great, you just have to bother to let him do the thing he's good at, which is promo and character work first and foremost.

    Loving the May Valentine angle as well, there's something super likeable about her and it's got me invested in an Isaacs/Rinauro feud, which would have been hard to do otherwise.

    My favorite part of the show was the last chance match. I like the Dawsons ok but I've been SUPER impressed by CW Anderson and was heavily invested in him getting a win and sticking around. I think he's a great guy to use for the NWA because he does so many little things well in the ring and he's capable of getting a short match over without resorting to toned down spots, which is pretty useful.

    Kingston has been the absolute star of the show though. Whether it's Kingston vs. Pope or Kingston & Homicide vs. The Bruisers, sign me up for either (or hopefully both).

    Seems like there isn't too much Powerrr left before the Crockett Cup though. If I understood right, they have the Super Powerrr episode in 2 weeks and then nothing for about a month until the PPV. Hope I'm wrong about that.

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    NWA have suspended Crockett Cup and Powerrr live events. Not a surprise, but just for confirmation.

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    Yeah, don't see how they have much choice. Very much hope they are able to start back up when everything dies down.

    Well, time to watch the last Powerrr in a while!

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    I always draw the Milonas/Bundy comparison, which to me is a very high compliment indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    NWA seems to be holding it's audience better than pretty much anyone else now. Obviously a decline after the first couple of weeks but the week 3 edition of Powerrr had 240,000 views, and only one since then has had less than 200,000. Unlike everyone else, the crowd they have are sticking around.

    Of course, it's much easier to hold 200,000 than it is to hold a million. That needs to be added. But, in it's own small way this seems to be working.
    ^ This doesn't seem to be so true anymore. Of course, I don't offer any major conclusions on the limited evidence we've got. But just at first glance it looks as if over the last few episodes of Powerrr, they've gone from around 200,000 viewers to somewhere closer to the region of 150,000. Maybe they are just waiting for people to catch up to them, I dunno. Always a possibility. Still, the loss of 25% of your audience is worth noting even if it's with a lot of caution and asterisks.

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    Anecdotally, I haven't watched since they started the Circle Squared show. I think the flow of weekly viewing Powerrr getting interrupted but a vastly inferior show killed my interest the next week. I watched the first Circle Squared, and haven't watched NWA since. I haven't quit on it, but I'm also in no rush to catch up just yet.

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    It's been throwing me off, too. I'm sure it's helpful now that they probably don't have the episodes to fill until they can tape again, but I thought that Circle Squared was going to be supplemental programming, not in place of Power.

    I think it's throwing the wrestlers off, too. Kamille two or three weeks ago was hyping how she was going to finally speak "this week" on Power, but that week was a Circle Squared and the following was NWA 70 (I don't think they've aired an episode of Power since her hyping).

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    I believe the plan was to air that episode this week, but with Crockett Cup being postponed indefinitely they've held that episode back until they know what their schedule is going to be. Not sure it's the best idea to withhold programming during a time when people are stuck inside with nothing to do, but I understand they want to keep their continuity together.

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