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    Huh, quite interesting. Do they do angles/character stuff, then? That'd be the biggest draw for me to be honest, so few indy promotions do this (and fewer do it well).

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    Oh yeah, it's a full on soap opera. If any thing, the model seems to be the Attitude Era. People who don't like it complain of the stories being swerve heavy and the like.

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    Ah, interesting... I actually might prefer that to the exhibition style a lot of other places rely on.

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    Perhaps. Though a complaint a few years ago was they did too much of that worked shoot stuff you hate. Whether or not they still do I'm not sure but it's something to consider.

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    That's a good warning! I'll take the pure exhibition stuff about a warmed over Russo-riffic hash!

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    Question to British fans. What would you say is the quintessential British Wrestling style?

    In the past I would have said the Johnny Saint catch wrestling style however of late British Strong Style, whatever that loose definition means, has really come to prominence.

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    The problem I have with British Strong Style is that it doesn't mean anything, at all. It's the same homogenized mix of styles that most promotions use in America. The old catch style is at the very least distinctive, not to mention a personal favorite of mine.

    If anyone wants to sell me on what the actual hallmarks of "British Strong Style" are and how it differs from other styles, feel free.

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    In theory it's supposed to be a mixture of the Japanese strong style and older British catch, but to be honest I don't think the theory really holds anymore - other than in a handful of cases. There are a few guys who still work a recognisably British style but most of the time it autotranslates in my head into 'generic indy style'.

    World of Sport have a trailer out. Tentative optimism out there that this will hit home a bit more than the special they did.


    No date as yet I think, but haven't seen anything about it being pushed back from July so there must be a date sooner rather than later. If the Saturday slot that is rumoured comes to fruition I think it'll be the 21st, personally.



    In other news, I saw that Scrubber Daley is still wrestling on the local scene. That's kinda fun.

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    Yeah, beyond Sabre I can't think of any really notable UK guys who incorporate much catch style in.

    Definitely starting to feel more excited about WoS! It'll be nothing like the classic, I'm sure, but it could be a whole lot of fun anyway.

    I feel like Scrubber Daley is a WoS original? Always nice to hear someone from that era is still working!

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    Some of the guys WWE picked up do.

    Interesting to see what will happen with it only running 10 weeks. I wonder if LU will be the model? Not sure how it'll work for me. We'll see.

    Scrubber Daley was actually Giant Haystacks tag partner. I used to have a tape where they took on Pat Roach and the deaf and dumb champion, Alan Kirby.

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    Who in particular? Was looking over the list and the only catch style guys that jumped out at me were Gallagher and Gulak (ironically, not British), and they already worked there. There are a couple I haven't seen but I feel like I've seen most, so curious if I'm forgetting someone.

    The shortest LU season was 22 episodes, so 10 seems too short to really compare, although potentially they could do some killer angles that run the course of the show.

    WOW on being Haystacks' partner! Wouldn't have guessed that, with a name like that. Didn't know about Kirby either, you're a fountain of knowledge Pete!

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    I've seen Bate working catch style on British promotions. And I was thinking Gallagher too. Not loads, but a couple.

    Daley was another big lad (not Haystacks big mind). That tape was actually a last hurrah for that generation from the early 1990s.

    As for my knowledge, it was pretty decent up to a point. Now I can barely remember what has happened this year!

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    Bate and a lot of guys CAN work in a bit of catch, but I always find it either perfunctory or something they only do because they're up against someone like Sabre who dictates the style of the match. Fair point though, it definitely exists.

    Who named a big lad "Scrubber"? Makes him sound like, well, a scrub. Though maybe that term wasn't known/used when he picked it up.

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    We don't really have the word 'scrub' in that sense, so it wouldn't have been a factor. Scrubber here is unfortunately an insult for a woman, but in this case I think the closest meaning would just be scruffy-looking.

    On catch, you're right that in general it's a bit less than I'd like to see too. I've seen them do it but it's not like it's the dominant method by any means and more often than not, as I say, there's a fairly 'generic indy' feeling about a lot of it.

    World of Sport will be commentated on by Stu Bennett, Alex Shane, and So-Cal Val, if what I saw is correct.



    Progress are heading to the US, if anyone wants to check them out:

    "4th August – PacPlex, Brooklyn, New York City
    5th August – Melrose Memorial Hall, Melrose, Boston
    9th August – Venue TBC, Seattle
    11th August – Cicero Stadium, Cicero, Chicago
    12th August – Monaghan Knights of Columbus Hall, Livonia, Detroit

    NYC, Boston, Chicago and Detroit will be same-day double-headers with EVOLVE running in the afternoon and PROGRESS in the evening.
    DEFY will be running a show the night after PROGRESS, on the 10th August. Double-header events will be ticketed separately, no combo tickets"

    Speaking of Progress they have an event in 10 days time with the following four matches announced so far:

    “The Kiwi Buzzsaw” Travis Banks vs Tyler Bate

    Thunderbastard Tag Team Series
    Sexy Starr (Jack Sexsmith & David Starr) vs Mark Haskins & Flash Morgan Webster

    Toni Storm vs Killer Kelly

    “The Bruiserweight” Pete Dunne & “The Don” Trent Seven vs Kings Of The North (Damien Corvin & Bonesaw)


    Also, fallout from the NJPW/RevPro shows is that Summer Sizzler will give Ishii a chance to get some revenge on WALTER.

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    That's a surprisingly long tour! I don't think they've run more than 2 shows in a row in the states before. Wonder if all will be official chapters released on their streaming service.

    Bate/Banks will hopefully be quite good. I've become a big fan of Killer Kelly too, so her match with Storm should definitely be worth checking out.

    I am hyped for WALTER vs. Ishii!! Now that a few New Japan guys have gotten a taste of him, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he started showing up on certain tours, at the very least in a Cobb kind of role, though frankly he could easily replace Elgin's old role and do it better than he ever did at that.

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    It does look as if the Champion Carnival stage will not happen now and he'll be skipping straight to being a big deal in New Japan. NEVER does seem like a good fit.
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    It honestly makes a lot more sense for him to work New Japan. AJPW has the history and a handful of really good workers, but WALTER could be huge in Japan and New Japan is the place to go to be huge.

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    I read today that Pete Dunne and Ilya Dragunov are wrestling on a progress show in September

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    They are indeed! I do like that wXw is kind of blowing up a bit right now with their guys getting bigger bookings outside of mainland Europe. Ilja vs. Dunne has the potential to be a real blast.

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    WoS has a start date - Saturday 28th July. Starting a little earlier than I thought at 5pm. I'd wondered if they'd stick it on after the news and have it as the lead-in for something like The Voice or whatever is going to be starting in the coming weeks.

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    Very much hoping this goes well!

    I did watch a few matches from Strong Style Evolved weekend. My favorite ended up being the CHAOS/Suzuki-gun tag match that main evented night one, I loved how Suzuki-gun mauled Okada and Ishii in the beginning, and Suzuki/Ishii pounding the living crap out of each other was a real sight to see. I love how Suzuki is triggered into accepting the strike exchange after Ishii disrespects him. I don't usually love the "you strike me, I strike you" style but these two make it work because you can FEEL the bushido coming off them authentically. Compare and contrast to Fletcher and White trying it and it not coming across well, at least not to me.

    Also watched Okada/Sabre and Ishii/Suzuki from night 2 and really liked both, though not quite as much as the tag. Very happy with the results of both, and WALTER attacking Ishii was great, though I now greedily wish he had gotten into it with Suzuki instead or as well.

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    Been a big last few days. EVE and GPW ran shows on the 14th, the latter of which saw Joey Hayes (formerly of FWA and now a mainstay in the Northwest) win the promotion's title. Then he headed across to Stockport to take part in a Futureshock tag match the following day, on a card that was headlined by Ashton Smith and Wolfgang. And then a bit further South on the same day in Birmingham, PROGRESS ran their show that had most of the WWE UK guys on it, like Dunne, Bate, Severn, Mark Andrews, etc.


    The only person I've really seen made a fuss of on the WoS roster so far is Will Ospreay, so maybe he's going to be a real focal point for the show?


    And just to popularise more of the old stuff, here's another old video. Regal's favourite heel, Sid Cooper, in a bit of a weird gimmick where he has to pay his opponent for every round that he survives.


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    I watched some EVE for the first time recently and was VERY impressed by some of their stuff. Not only do they bring in great names like Meiko Satomura and Aja Kong, but I also discovered Sammii Jayne and, most of all, Charlie Morgan, who rocketed in one sitting to one of the wrestlers I am most interested to see more of in the world. She really impressed the hell out of me in her match from Wrestle Queendom.

    I'm actually shocked that Regal's favorite WoS heel wasn't Jim Breaks or Mick McManus, both seem like they'd be directly up his alley. Putting that match on my to watch list! Gonna assume it's not THAT Greg Valentine... Any clue about what year this is from, Pete?
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    My best guess is the very end of December, 1984. There seems to be a difficulty in confirming old WoS dates because there's a lot less info online than for anything American, but the football scores check out. Trouble is there's a possibility it could be in April of 1986 if one aspect of a record is wrong, though as football fans tend to be anoraks for that kind of detail I'm inclined to trust them and say 1984.


    So, World of Sport was on this past weekend. It actually left me a bit cold, if I'm honest, and though the consensus was that it was better than the pilot I'm really not convinced that was the case. I watched the show and to be honest, I'm not invested in anyone as a result nor do I really feel like I care what they're doing as of yet. I'll stick with it for a few more weeks because I want to give it a fair shot, and it's important to support it, but I wasn't wowed in truth.

    The ratings were good, though. 1.2 million people watched it in the first instance, which is a far-bigger audience share than the WWE gets in the US (an audience less than three times in smaller in a country more than five times smaller, anyway), and will easily make it the most popular wrestling show in the UK in pure-numbers terms. It will probably lose some rather than gain in the short term, but I suspect that the solid rating would be enough to persuade ITV it's worth sticking with it, especially if it can average out to around 1 million regularly.

    So even though I didn't love it, good news overall.

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    You're a treasure with these dates my friend... Still haven't had a chance to watch but it's definitely on my list!!

    The WoS show didn't exactly sound like my cup of tea either, but I'm also pleased by the high numbers. If it's popular enough, maybe more companies will be able to get a shot? I have a dream that someone can go on the air with a bare bones ECW style production and get over!

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    A very successful weekend for UK wrestling up and down the country, both in tapings form and on TV. I've still to catch World of Sport from the weekend but I intend on doing so soon.

    ICW had a great 2 night PPV at the weekend there (Shug's Hoose Party 5). Debuts to the promotion for Walter, Angelico, and Jeff Cobb. All 3 guys had stand out matches over the weekend. James Storm and Jody Fleisch pulled double duty both nights and Storm is a pretty dastardly individual right now in ICW canon.

    Also, another great night for Viper who retained her women's title. And her real life partner (DCT, affectionately nicknamed Mr Viper!) won the men's title in a shenanigan heavy but thoroughly rewarding babyface win. So Mrs & Mr Viper are at the top of the ICW ladder; things looking really exciting going forward.
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    I thought WoS was fun enough but will need to get better. About as good as the pilot but different, rather than better.

    It still basically feels like Gladiators.

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    I really am going to have to check out some ICW!

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    Terry Funk - YES! It was very much a Saturday night on ITV feel to it. Gladiators, quiz shows, X-factor - that sort of deal. The actual wrestling was fine, impressive as you would expect, but it felt like Kevin Dunn had his hands all over it with the amount of camera cuts on show!

    Mizfan - there is every chance that my love for ICW is biased as the promotion is based right on my doorstep, but having been invested for some time now, I'm appreciating the stories that are going on, rather than just the novelty of it being a Glasgow promotion. The imports from last wekeend really impressed me. Definitely want to see Jeff Cobb in an ICW ring again.
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    Reposting from my recommend thread, as I finally got around to checking this out (still working my way to Sid Cooper!).

    Mark Rocco vs. Dynamite Kid 11/23/81 World of Sport

    I'm not the biggest Dynamite Kid fan, but I was still excited to see this match suggested because I love everything I have seen from World of Sport, and I think the style has the potential to highlight the things I like best about DK's work, specifically his freakish athletic ability and speed, while downplaying what I dislike about him, his sloppiness and tendency to work in various unsafe ways. I'm ashamed to say I'm more familiar with Rocco Rock than Rollerball, but there's always plenty of time to change that.

    Sure enough, the match lived up to everything I hoped from it and more. There's something about the pure sporting atmosphere of the World of Sport shows that really does it for me, and that's coming from a guy who often prefers the more over the top cartoony stuff in wrestling. But man, they just hit their vibe so perfectly. And it's not like it's dry either, everybody has their own personality and strategy, even if they aren't typically brightly colored or hollering larger than life promos. But they don't need to, there's an air of dignity and poise that holds it all together (which is sometimes subverted by the heels, but that just adds to the fun).

    The match was a bit rougher than I expected, but in a good way. By that I mean there were some really mean looking strikes, which you don't always see in this style, and some very big impressive bumps mixed in with the blisteringly brilliant technical wrestling. As you often see with this style, every move feels important, and there's a danger of an unexpected counter waiting behind each possible misstep. The non-finish was a bit predictable even to me, as face vs. face contests often seem to end that way in this style, but they certainly earned it with a rather nutty bump to finish everything off outside the ring. This match was awesome and in the same league as my favorite Bockwinkel matches of '81. I am always, always down for World of Sport!

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    With the buzz it's generated I'm surprised there hasn't been more on the WoS reboot in here....

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    Haven't caught any of it yet, been busy with other things and I still just somehow have trouble getting enthused about it. I'm not sure why, I'm very happy that it's actually getting to be on TV and all. Have you been watching, Pete?

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    On and off. I'm struggling to get into it, truth be told. Some episodes I feel a bit more than others but I can't say I'm ever looking forward to the next one with much enthusiasm.

    Interesting news out this week, RevPro have signed a TV deal. It's not much of one and will be on a channel that doesn't have the best reach (don't think I get it) but it seems that it could be a first step. Maybe they can move up in the world if someone sees promise in the show.

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    I think RevPro could be well positioned to do some TV stuff, they've always had pretty good production (at least as far as an indy promotion goes), plus they have ties with New Japan that may help them be more in demand to the hardcore fans willing to seek them out on an obscure channel.

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