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    That's a wealth of good news! The outpouring of wrestler's praising AEW for signing Lynn to that role has been overwhelming, so clearly he's a good choice. Bryce and Knox are two of the best referees ever, I just hope they still are available for the respective home promotions of CHIKARA and PWG. Bringing on Angelico and especially Jack Evans is great, Evans is one of my favorite picks so far and I think he'll rock it out with this roster.

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    Did not know about Evans...man, he's great! Would love to see him mix it up with Jericho as friend or foe.
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    Evans is one of those guys who I never really got into until Lucha Underground, and then got super into. Glad to see he's coming in. Weren't he and Angelica tag partners in AAA?

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    Yes and it looks from Angelico video that he and Jack Evans are coming in together

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    Yup, they were closely aligned for quite a while actually, to the point that they still wore their matching gear in LU despite not partnering up. Agreed on LU showcasing a new side of Evans, at least to me. I always liked the guy but he seemed like he was all spots and not much character until then, but the whole "I invented lucha libre" shtick killed me and he had personality spare once he decided to actually show it off.

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    They were three time AAA Tag Team Champions in AAA and probably would've been the key team in the division for years if AAA hadn't fired Jack for, and this is true, publicly criticizing the fake La Parka (Jack has since returned to AAA on a freelance basis). Once that happened Angelico, who had already moved to Spain, stopped appearing as much and eventually just left to work Europe. And now here we are.

    Jack is tremendous and has always had this personality. The problem is he's so unbelievably gifted at the high flying stuff that it's hard to book him as a heel (which is a more natural role for him based off his ultra confident personality), which is why he was generally a face during his indie days. When he went to AAA with Teddy Hart Konnan positioned them as a rudo tag team and they thrived for awhile until Jack had to turn because, once again, his move set was so spectacular that he got over and they had no choice (Teddy meanwhile managed to master being a rudo, mostly because he was a major asshole in real life at the time, while also keeping his high flying style). LU was really the first place that booked Jack as a rudo and not only decided to stick with it but reinforced it by doubling down on Jack's persona; that ended up being the key to him standing out more. He's kept that same persona everywhere he's went since, most notably PWG where, back in 2015, he and Angelico had a killer match with the Bucks. The Bucks from time to time have raved about how much they loved that match, so that (and the fact WWE won't touch Jack because Jack loves his weed) was pretty much what led to this.


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    Really, really pleased it's confirmed so hopefully it can stop being a point of conversation! Looking forward to checking out the show when it airs.

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    The only thing up for debate at this point is how much money AEW is getting in the deal. There was one reporter earlier (I believe he works for TSN in Canada) that said that while AEW won't be getting rights fees, TNT will be covering production and the two sides will be splitting the ad revenue in a favorable way towards AEW. It would basically be a case where AEW would earn money via that, PPV buys (more on that in a moment) and attendance; aka the old fashioned way promotions used to make money before WWE changed the game with TV right fees and the WWE Network. This report has since been slightly disputed by a few people to suggest AEW is being paid rights fees, so it's not conclusive either way.

    Really, it doesn't matter. What does is that AEW will be on TNT, they will be shown in Prime Time AND they're making at least decent money off this. It's a terrific deal overall, even if it doesn't turn out to be anywhere near WWE numbers (it was never going to be). Now it comes down to them showing everyone what they can do. There will still be some controversy going into Double or Nothing as the show is being priced at $49.99 on WarnerMedia's B/R Live streaming service, $49.99 on several other PPV outlets (like Verizon Fios) and $59.99 on other PPV outlets like Comcast. That appears to be very steep and I'd normally agree. As it turns out though All In was priced at $40 on FITE and up to $45 on at least a few PPV outlets, meaning (unless you really just want to give $60 to AEW via Comcast or whoever) you'll really just be paying about $5 to $10 more than you did All In. It's still more than I would've done, but it's not as outrageous as some where claiming it to be in the never ending battle between people who think AEW is the greatest and WWE is the devil and people who think WWE is the greatest and AEW is the devil.


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    So, it's nice to see them with a big time TV deal (I wonder how Bischoff really feels) I hope that they can draw an audience.

    However, I think that Double or Nothing is entirely overpriced. WWE had set the industry standard at a PPV being worth $10. I think that FITE somewhat has changed that. I spend $24.99 on the Crockett Cup a few weeks ago. That's my personal upper limit of what I'll spend on a PPV in 2019, and I'll be interested to see if we ever get any numbers on how this one does.

    I hope that it does well, but I likely won't be shelling out $50 for the thing. I can't imagine paying that kind of money for a PPV, and I seem to recall that after WWE made the transition to HD and bumped all of their PPV events to that price range, their buys tanked. Say what you will about quality or whatever you'd like being a contributing factor, it is possible to price yourself out of the market, regardless of your quality and how much people might want to watch.

    I hope that it does well, but with the level of negative feedback I've seen on that pricepoint, I think this might be a highly pirated show.

    EDIT: Also, I can't find it on FITE. Is that because I'm in Canada, or is it no up for purchase yet?

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    You'd need to get it through B/R Live. I'm not sure it's up there yet, but they've confirmed that price and that's where it will be officially, as they are part of the Warner/Turner group.. I'm guessing B/R Live cancels out Fite.

    My hope is that, in time, they will offer something like league pass for AEW on B/R Live, where you get all the additional footage and PPV. The current model doesn't seem sustainable, and I'm hoping it's only until they put together enough weekly content to do some sort of pass or the like through B/R Live.

    I'm going to pay the 49.99, reluctantly, but I won't do this forever, especially if they have lots of PPVs. I would maybe do it 4 times a year or something.

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    I don't think a mass pirating of the event is going to hurt them in the long run anyway, if it were to happen. This show is all about an introduction to the brand. I'm sure they'll take the loss over the exposure.

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    I think in the UK it's only something like £15 (about $18, I think?) to get it on ITV Box Office or whatever it's called. That's not too bad - the Network is a tenner a month.

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    Worth pointing out that our attitude to PPV in the UK is so different that if they tried to charge that here, literally no one would buy it. WWE were still giving away a lot of their PPVs for free in the UK until 2005, don't forget, and it hurt their popularity here when they stopped quite significantly.

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    The All In show was $45 on PPV, I got it because i wanted to support the guys and i liked the card. This is a whole different deal though with being a start up company. They sort of have to g by the PPV model to make any type of money and pricing it at $50 for most that's steep but alternative is likely running more shows at a lesser price.

    I think depending on the number of buys they get, they will adjust. Also i can't see them doing monthly PPVs. Isn't the next show in July?

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    I'm pretty sure the Fyter or whatever that stupid pun is for the next one is late June. And then again in July, and then likely All In II in September. It's shaping up like a monthly PPV schedule.

    I dunno. Like I said, I think that the price point for the NWA show was perfect. They didn't have as high a talent budget or as much of a need to draw big money as AEW does, but with all of the streaming services that are already out there and people are paying for (NJPW World, Honor Club, WWE Network, ect.), plus FITE starting to catch on and pretty regularly having some strong content (but at a price per show), something is going to have to give whether it be the price point or shows beginning to see fewer buys. That could start to edge niche things like GCW right out of the online streaming market.

    Once or twice a year for a major spectacle show you can probably get away with $50 for a show. Monthly and it's going to be diminishing returns.

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    I would be STUNNED if either Fyter Fest or Fight for the Fallen were priced like this. Remember that Omega pretty much did Fyter Fest last year under the New Japan umbrella, and that show was merely streamed on Twitch. I'd expect the same this time around. Meanwhile Fight for the Fallen is a tribute show where they're not planning on making a profit (all proceeds go to victims of gun violence) filmed in a place that barely sits 7K. I could be wrong but at worst I expect they'll be on B/R for a small price and more than likely will be for free either on Twitch or AEW's social media platforms. The next real big show will be Labor Day weekend in Chicago; whether that has this price or not depends on how well this one does.

    The thing that hasn't really gotten around is that AEW didn't have a lot of control over this, something you'll notice if you look at how certain providers are pricing it. Some places like Comcast are asking for $60, others are asking for $50 (same as B/R). If AEW had full control over this it would likely be one price across the board, maybe a little less for streaming; the fact that it's all over the place tells you this was less them setting the price and more the providers because they think this show is going to be a hit. They may be right; it's forgotten that All In, in addition to being a good show, was wildly successful and as Lazyking pointed out that was with prices ranging up to just $5 less than most providers are charging for Double or Nothing. Everyone is trying to maximize profits, so if All In did well at the $40-$45 range, it's not unreasonable to think they can do close to, if not just as well, at the $50 range and make more money. I guarantee that's what the providers are thinking; whether it works or not remains to be seen but that's why. If it doesn't work, they can always change it.

    And frankly I can't blame them and in many ways think this reaction to the price is vastly overblown. It be one thing if All In was priced between $25 to $30 and then hiked this high, or if everyone was asking the price Comcast is. But that's not the case. The reality is that the providers, and AEW by extension, are really just asking for $5 to $10 more than they did for All In; I get it if you don't want to spend that much because the card doesn't interest you, but if you are interested and paid the $40 to $45 for All In, was is it suddenly a big deal to spend $5 to $10 more?


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    TNT have a streaming service though, right? Any chance of that being used for these in the future, and you buy access to an AEW Network?

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    Only if it's $9.99.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    I get it if you don't want to spend that much because the card doesn't interest you, but if you are interested and paid the $40 to $45 for All In, was is it suddenly a big deal to spend $5 to $10 more?
    To me, yes it is. It's not that I don't have it. It's not that I'm cheap. It's that I'm already paying for The Network, I'm paying for NJPW World, I just bought Crockett Cup less than a month before Double or Nothing...at some point the amount I'm willing to spend on pro wrestling has to hit a ceiling.

    I'll be running events that weekend anyway, but I had given some though to inviting the boys back to my place to watch it was sort of an after party. I'm not sure I'd bother at that price point.

    NOTE: I literally just fired up FITE. Double or Nothing is finally listed...at $34.99. Perhaps the folks at AEW heard the outcry?

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    It's still $49.99 on B/R and I'd assume most of the other PPV providers so no. But this makes sense because, once more (you open the door!), it is the PPV providers coming up with this price, not AEW! I cannot stress this enough. AEW may have slight input, they may not be against the price (I honestly don't know) but at the end of the day the individual provider, be it FITE, Comcast, Fios, Cox, B/R, whoever, makes the call. That's why you see so many different prices between them all. If it were AEW coming up with them, I'd reckon they'd all be the same or at least in the same ballpark.

    Also, Double or Nothing isn't available on FITE in the US and UK because of the PPV deals in those markets. It's only available outside in places like Canada, Australia and so on. That's probably a factor too in why the price is lower, possibly the exchange rates too.


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    This hasn't been posted here yet so I'll do it along with additional details as we currently have them. Unfortunately the Hangman Page vs. Pac match is off for Double or Nothing. To make up for it Page flew to England to do a fifteen minute match with Pac that ended in a draw; it'll be shown this week on one of AEW's social media channels. Once again though, the match will not take place at Double or Nothing.

    Now why isn't it? It originally appeared to be a case of Dragon Gate requesting Pac not lose to Hangman because of his reign as DG's top champion, but recent information suggests that Pac was actually supposed to beat Hangman. The issue instead was a potential Pac-Omega match down the road in Chicago Labor Day weekend. AEW's plan appears to have been that both Pac and Omega would win next weekend then build towards a match in Chicago were the first ever AEW Champion would be crowned (the Pac & Lucha Brothers vs. Omega & Young Bucks match at Fyter Fest supports this). The issue is Pac is or could still be Open the Dream Gate Champion for Dragon Gate at that time or and Dragon Gate, who is pushing him as undefeated right now, doesn't want him losing. Thus, to avoid conflict, AEW scrapped this idea for now and will be replacing someone with Pac in the same position. If anything else comes out I'll update this. No news on who will be the replacement, though AEW is looking for a big name.


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    Shame, as PAC vs Omega certainly sounds like it could be killer. Understandable that DG want to protect themselves and their storyline work, though. Could AEW not have had PAC beat Page and then left open the options for the later show, in case PAC drops the title? And if he doesn't they could have worked something else out?

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    In theory they could've done anything they wanted. But at this point they have a long term plan in place and didn't want to mess with it. They also don't want there to be any draws or screwy finishes for most (if not all) of the matches this weekend, both because they don't have time to do a long draw and because they want all clean finishes to start off. So Pac vs. Page had to end clean on this show (whereas in the match they did in the UK they could do a draw) and AEW was then left with the choice of putting over Page (which they didn't want to do), putting over Pac (we know all the pitfalls of that now) or take Pac out and replace him with someone who can both win this match and put Omega over when needs be. They seemingly chose the latter. As to who the replacement is, I guess we'll just have to wait and see; I expect it'll be kept a surprise until the show.


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    The latest wrinkle; AEW announced today on the final Road to Double or Nothing episode that the winner of Omega/Jericho will take on the winner of the Casino Battle Royal at a future show (likely the Labor Day weekend show in Chicago) to determine the first ever AEW World Champion. The 21 person Battle Royal as of now features;

    -Ace Romero
    -Billy Gunn
    -Brandon Cutler
    -Brian Pillman Jr.
    -Dustin Thomas (No Legs from GCW)
    -Glacier
    -Isiah Kassidy
    -Jimmy Havoc
    -Joey Janela
    -Jungle Boy
    -Luchasaurus (Vibora from Lucha Underground)
    -Marq Quen
    -Michael Nakazawa
    -MJF
    -Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger)
    -Sonny Kiss
    -Sunny Daze

    That's seventeen names, which means four slots are left open. None of those names seem likely to be an opponent for Omega (or Jericho) come September, at least by my estimation. I would be prepared for a big surprise.


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    Moxley or somebody not named Punk would be my best guess.

    Edit: Any possible way it could be Scrull? or some New Japan guy?
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    Randy Orton?!?!

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    I know itís pretty much never gonna happen, but Iíd love to see Cena show up a la Hogan in WCW in Ď94.

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    Unfortuntely, way contracts are now no one is jumping ship without us knowing. Takes some of the fun out of it.

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    Kinda disappointed the belt is being decided this way, but I'm sure they're trying to raise the stakes for the PPV, since there aren't as many stakes without titles..Would have loved something that felt more like a tournament.


    But I'm thinking Glacier will walk out the inaugural AEW champion! YA!

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    Glacier for the win.

    It's a pretty slim field in that battle royale, it has to be said - which is fine until this stipulation got added. Presumably they're not going to run Page vs Omega for the title, so I would say the four names outstanding all need to be big enough to have a shout at winning the title to make some sense of a question mark exist over the eventual winner and challenger.

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    Heard that because of the PAC situation that they made the battle Royal more important cause I think PAC was to challenge Omega for the title

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    Has it been confirmed that PAC is completely off the card, or just the match with Hangman Page has been canceled? Like, could he show up in the battle royal and get the win thus still setting up the title match with Omega (or Jericho, I suppose) further down the line and buying some more time to figure out the Dragon Gate situation?

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    It hasn't been confirmed completely but he's off the card. There's a better chance you see CM Punk on this show than you'll see Pac, although that's actually because there's a legit 25% chance Punk will be in this said Battle Royal.

    Here's the deal; the original plan, as best anyone can tell, was that the winners of Pac/Hangman and Omega/Jericho were then going to face off at the Chicago show Labor Day weekend to crown the first AEW World Champion. Meanwhile the winner of the Battle Royal was going to receive a future title shot, presumably against whoever won the Chicago match. So despite the weaker field it was going to lead to a title shot, which likely meant there were still going to be some big surprises in the match. With Pac now out AEW apparently decided to use the Battle Royal to determine who will face Omega or Jericho, which makes sense given the stipulation it originally had but does feel a bit weird given that the field, while featuring some talented people, doesn't exactly feature any top names (the closest to me are MJF, Joey Janela and the former Ty Dillinger himself Shawn Spears, none of whom I can see winning). Unless today's Being the Elite hints otherwise, it all but confirms that AEW has at least one, probably two big names for the final four slots and one of them will be winning.

    Now who could it possibly be? Jon Moxley is going to be the obvious first choice of many and I'd say it's quite likely. He's filming a movie now yes but that's something that can be worked around, and the fact that he lives in Vegas and would fit the big name criteria makes him the leader in the clubhouse. KENTA would be right behind him; he's free from WWE, he's a known name and him vs. Omega would be a big match for numerous reasons. After that you get into a lot of long shots. Ryback (who also lives in Vegas) is hurt, and probably not a big enough name anyway. Ditto for Wade Barrett, who is apparently retired. Joey Ryan (who I think most people would cringe at anyway) is booked for a show in Ohio. Jushin Thunder Liger and Minoru Suzuki are both freelancers who could step in without needing New Japan's permission, but the short notice of this situation makes both unlikely. Kota Ibushi, which would be MASSIVE, is supposedly exclusive to New Japan. Sasha Banks and Luke Harper, either one of whom would be an enormous get, are both stuck in WWE.

    And then there's CM Punk. I'll level with you all here; at this point I would be stunned if Punk wasn't in AEW by the end of the year. The wind has been blowing that way since at least February and to those in the know it's just been a question of when AEW will want to unveil him. My original thought (before knowing the Omega-Pac scenario) was that Punk would appear after the Omega-Jericho match to set up him vs. Omega in Chicago, which would be, obviously, the biggest match anyone in wrestling could do right now given it would be for the AEW Champion, as well as serving as Punk's return match in his hometown (where he's still worshiped). That was clearly not AEW's plan, but with Pac now off the table it does make one wonder if they've moved up their plans with Punk (providing of course he is in the plans). Now he is booked to commentate an MMA show this Saturday night in California but a) the fights begin at least two hours after the Battle Royal would occur and b) they're only a comfortable one hour private plane ride away from Vegas and AEW has history using private jets to keep surprises hidden (that's how Jericho appeared at All In and then at a concert on the same night). It's not my pick for what will happen but it wouldn't floor me if CM Punk won the Battle Royal to set up him vs. Omega in Chicago. Even if he doesn't appear, it feels like only a matter of time before he will.

    In the end though, my official guess for how the night goes is this. Darby Allin, who is signed with AEW and will be in Vegas this weekend, will take Pac's spot against Hangman to give Page a singles match. Moxley and KENTA will appear in the Battle Royal and Moxley will win to set up him vs. Omega for Chicago. Omega will then win that match and get confronted by Punk at the end of the show.

    Edit: In the latest Being the Elite Hangman stated he wouldn't be competing at Double or Nothing due to the "injury" he suffered during the post match beat down he received from Pac. So that either means he's out or he's now entering this Battle Royal, which would frankly be a bit of a let down.
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    Could NJPW allow one of their talents to go there without affecting their deal with Ring of Honor? Maybe a trade for Okada for a few matches with one of AEW's talents?

    Thrusting Moxley in the world title picture would look weak. In my opinion.

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    Hereís the thing with Punk showing up and winning the battle royal... youíd have to make that the main event. I couldnít see Punk making his big return as a curtain jerker or sometime mid-show. However, if you book the battle royal as the main event, then you pretty much give away that thereís gonna be a huge surprise entrant, or else itís all a let down and it leaves people scratching their heads wondering why that was the main event. With Mox, KENTA, or pretty much anyone other than Punk, then yeah... you can place that match somewhere other than the main event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Button View Post
    Could NJPW allow one of their talents to go there without affecting their deal with Ring of Honor? Maybe a trade for Okada for a few matches with one of AEW's talents?

    Thrusting Moxley in the world title picture would look weak. In my opinion.
    Unless it's someone like a Suzuki or a Liger, who are technically freelancers and can work wherever, AEW would have to get permission from New Japan. And even then it would likely lead to the same situation as what happened with Pac. If Dragon Gate didn't want Pac losing to Omega, why on earth would anyone believe New Japan would be okay with Okada losing, especially when he's champ? That's why the only New Japan guys I could see would be Suzuki or Liger, and maybe Ibushi because I'm not 100% certain on what his New Japan contract is and because of his history with the Elite guys. I wouldn't expect any one else besides that.

    I'm not sure why Moxley would be a weak choice. Is it because he's an ex-WWE guy or because he's not as good a wrestler as Omega is? At the end of the day you need a big match for that Chicago show to help draw. AEW could get away with drawing big on this show because it's their first and they have buzz but that can only last so long; you're going to need viable, marquee big matches going forward. It's why they were doing Pac vs. Omega because, while Pac isn't a megastar, he's a well known name in wrestling circles that casual fans are familiar with due to WWE. I think we all agree that Moxley is a much bigger star than Pac is and while he's not Omega or Walter or Fenix in the ring he can be really good (I subscribe to the theory that he's been at times overworked and unmotivated the last few years, which affected his in ring work). Him vs. Omega will sell to fans, and Omega winning the match (the most likely option) would be an instant credibility boost to Omega, who is known here but does need to be built up, especially if AEW wants him to be their guy. So I have no issue Moxley being the guy if he in fact is. It may not be the best match Omega could have (that would be with Ibushi, KENTA or Joey Janela) but it'll be very good and it'll work like a charm.


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    I watch TV via PlayStation Vue. How do I go about legally watching the PPV?

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    And here I was rooting for you to win a WWE title.

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