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    My read on the stipulation is Cody can't be the challenger in a match, so I was thinking they'd have to find some compelling way to overturn it, in the vein of Macho Man getting reinstated after Jake tried to murder him and his wife. So I wasn't thinking of getting around it via technicality, though now that I talk it out maybe if the title were vacant at some point that would be a loophole?

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    Has to be the former. My god, if they try and get around that stip using some kind of clever word play.... they'd be mocked royally, and what's more, they'd deserve it, too.

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    Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, they don't ever find a way out and Cody just never challenges for the title?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Icon View Post
    Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, they don't ever find a way out and Cody just never challenges for the title?
    Yep, and I think that will certainly be the initial route they take. He's obviously pivoting into the MJF feud and there's plenty to keep him going elsewhere as well. And hey, maybe they've done this to very deliberately say 'we are not booking ourselves into the title picture on our shows' - which is a great move and immediately gives them over to downplaying their own involvement and letting them put other people above themselves.

    It feels, though, that if they continue for a decent length of time, that Cody's going to end up in a position where being in the title picture - and the champion - is just a natural progression.

    I do like that tournament idea I put forward, I must say - picked it up from someone else, and having sat on it I can see the options to keep building and building to the time where he does get a title match.

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    I mean, they could, but it would be pretty fucking stupid to take one of your most bankable, recognizable US stars out of the title picture forever because you came up with a dumb added drama stip in your first month.

    Never is a long time for a guy in his mid 30s booking from the Dusty playbook.

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    It's only stupid if they never make any other stars in the next few years. Maybe you're not confident that will happen but I'm going to say they will, and if they do that then it's not a problem Cody isn't in the title picture. Hell, you yourself said Cody was one of the most bankable stars they have, which pretty much tells you he doesn't need the title right now anyway; he's a draw with or without it.

    But, for the sake of argument, if you want to get Cody back into the title picture without ticking off everyone then it's simple; turn Cody heel. A heel abusing his power and ignoring the stipulation he himself put forward makes perfect sense and we all know Cody can pull of being an incredible bad guy. That's the way you get around it;hell start the turn with him announcing he's fighting for the title and then complete it by having him win the belt. I guarantee it'll work.


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    Again, Cody's playing from the Dusty playbook. Stipulations are made to be broken, especially if you can do it creatively.

    You get enough of that groundswell of support behind Cody to finally shut up Jericho, and I don't think that anyone would be pissed off if the stipulation was thrown away. Let one of the Khans overrule it for the company's own good or something, or let him win a match that allows him to challenge again for one night only, whatever. Make the title match a lights out unsanctioned match where the Champion agrees to the stipulation that the winner becomes Champion.

    But I can't think of too many "forever" stipulations in the history of professional wrestling that have been adhered to, and I have no reason to believe that this will be any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    But I can't think of too many "forever" stipulations in the history of professional wrestling that have been adhered to, and I have no reason to believe that this will be any different.
    HBK nearly pulled off his retirement stip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    Again, Cody's playing from the Dusty playbook.

    He's going to challenge as The Midnight Rider, isn't he?!

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    He already is the American Nightmare...sooooo....

    But if/when he gets another title shot, he needs yellow polka dots. Win the AEW title with the BS that Vince made his father wear.

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    Strongly doubt they'll really keep Cody out of the title picture forever. If they honor the stip for a good stretch of time then tell a compelling story to break it, they'll be golden.

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    Ratings are in for anyone who's interested.

    AEW: 957K (up 16% from last week)
    NXT: 750K (down 9% from last week)

    I think we learned two things; there was definite interest coming out of Full Gear for AEW and the main roster stars on NXT last week were a big deal.


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    As an AEW fan, pleased to see them rise again in the ratings. Was a bit of a bummer when they dropped off after the premiere, though granted it was always expected.

    Those gains and losses look pretty similar, so I wonder if it was fans on the fence who decided to switch over from NXT to check out AEW this week?

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    Not exclusively, unless NXT got new viewers in to compensate. No way to be certain of course, but the overall audience is up a little suggesting it wouldn't just be a simple transfer.

    It'll do. Still a lot to say about the numbers when you start looking at them but I said a couple of weeks ago that getting back to this position had to be the first step. So it'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Slight correction to my earlier post - that last rating wasn't for the go-home show which we don't have info for yet. It was for the show first aired on October 30th.

    Here's a summary of everything so far. The < sign indicates both that it was less than that number and that Dynamite didn't rank in the top 15 ITV4 shows for the week.

    1: <191,100
    2: <184,627
    3: <168,448
    4: 170,689 – ranked 12th (revised down from 10th)
    5: <151,005

    When I saw that the week four ranking had dropped a couple - presumably as a result of time-shifted viewing - I double-checked each week's rankings to see if there was any sign of it coming in late. But nothing. That shouldn't be a surprise as it seems there's even less reason to believe that they'd make a big difference here than there is in the US, since more than 90% of our TV is still viewed live.

    I looked at the show results, and it looks like the one that has done well is the one with the Jericho/Cody brawl and the 'invisible wall' promo. No telling that's what actually got the extra number, or even that it was anything beyond people taking a look one week, but that's the week where viewership did seem to go up - whether by a statistically significant amount or not.

    Following on from this the ratings for the following week on ITV 4 are in, which corresponds to the go-home show for Full Gear. The trouble here is that ITV 4 has been showing Snooker which has proven to be a good ratings draw for the channel and it's skewing the usual figures. But we know it doesn't make the top 15 again. I'll add it to the list that I've been putting together.

    1: <191,100
    2: <184,627
    3: <168,448
    4: 170,689 – ranked 12th (revised down from 10th)
    5: <151,005
    6: <166,984

    Everything in the list was sport this time out, except the repeat of a very popular stand up comedy show from the 1980s.

    I'll say this - we're obviously a week or so behind, but next week will be more interesting, to see if the post-PPV bounce that they got in the States can also be detected here.

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    To add to the above, I haven't been able to verify this myself yet but there's someone out there citing a decent-looking source that these would be the more detailed numbers for Dynamite - above and beyond the shortened, ranked list that the BARB put out.

    Oct 2: Unranked (which means it's seriously low)
    Oct 9: 96,000
    Oct 16: 143,000
    Oct 23: 171,000 (or 167,000, as this new source has a slightly lower figure)
    Oct 30: 77,000
    Nov 6: 140,000



    So, the reason I'm comfortable saying that that first week would have been low is this new source - Thinkbox - lists way more top programmes on a channel. As a comparison, this week's last rated show got only 49,000 viewers (with 7000 of those not watching live but time-shifted).

    So, if these numbers are right we know that AEW weren't just missing out on the top list, and that they've actually had only one good rating in the UK. In fact, some of those weeks will look pretty bad put up against WWE when you remember WWE is behind a paywall. There's some talk out there that how easy it is to get to through the ITV Hub has a big bearing on what the weekly number is - whether or not people actually bother to watch the show seems to be influenced by how easy it is to get to it.

    What could be interesting is that there's some evidence for the first time that the AEW audience don't behave like other wrestling fans have in recent years, and they are disproportionately likely to watch later, time-shifted. Our ratings take that into account - I don't know if American ones do. But while it's not concrete proof, we do give you something to back up the idea that the AEW crowd think of wrestling differently, and consume it differently, and that ratings that don't take into account time shifted viewing might hurt them more than other places and programmes. Now, wrestling's distinctiveness is one of the few things that has seen it become desirable to networks in recent years, so that might end up being a double-edged sword for them, but it's interesting nonetheless.


    But yeah, the tl;dr of all this is ratings here in the UK for Dynamite could well be a lot worse - even worse than a lot of us actually thought possible. I didn't for a minute think they could lose to WWE while they were on free TV and WWE were on a subscription service, but that might well be what has happened a couple of times.


    EDIT: I've also seen another site claim that AEW did 232,000 for the Oct 16th show, but they don't cite a source and I can't find anything to corroborate it, so I'm sticking with the numbers I can validate. That'd be definitely less than 168,000, and 143,000 would be consistent with that, so it seems a good enough estimate.

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    There is little better than a stipulation broken well and over time. It's almost as simple as, if you tell compelling stories, you can't do anything wrong. If you tell poor stories, you can't do anything right. Whether he bullshits around under a mask or if they find a ground swell way to "Reinstate the Macho Man," I'm good with it, as long as it's done in a compelling manner.

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    Prime are you doing the total numbers for AEW between the Friday show and the Monday night replay, or you just doing the Friday?


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    That's for the ITV 4 show, for a few reasons, but mainly because I've been looking for both shows and the replay hasn't featured at all.

    There's a lot more I could say about how complicated that then gets, and there's points that are good, points that are bad, but I don't know how much detail people want to go into.

    But I'm happy to waffle on about British TV and what all the different variables might mean if you're interested.

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    If you can send me a link to where you're getting the data for the previous weeks that would be super. I found one for the week of November 4th to November 10th, but can't seem to navigate a way to find the previous ratings.


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    If you're looking at Thinkbox, you can't go back to previous weeks (which is why I can't verify it myself). The numbers I mentioned are found by going back through someone else's Twitter feed who reported the numbers as they happened - and, as the most recent ones checked out, I'm assuming I can take the rest at face value, until they give me a reason not to trust them.

    I can PM you where I found their feed if you like, but obviously that's not the same as being able to see the numbers for yourself.

    If you just want BARB you can go back through previous data, and I can link you to that as well - though that'll only give you the top 15 shows for the channel.

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    Let's just match up the data you have with what I've got. I have numbers from the Wrestling Observer for the first five weeks and the most recent numbers from this past week that I got from BARB (at least I think I did), so we can see if they line up and clear up any confusion, which I have from the numbers I got.

    For Week One the Observer has 81K for the Friday show (shown at 11:20 p.m. according to them), 36K for the Sunday morning show (at 8:20 a.m.) and 279K for the Monday night one hour show on ITV (at 11:45 p.m.).

    Week Two initially has 68K on Friday, 24K on Sunday (note the Sunday show is, apparently discontinued after this week) and 232K on Monday. It appears the number may have actually been 31K for Friday instead but I'm not sure (hopefully you can help clear that one up). If the 31K number is accurate then it also had 8K watching on VOD and 57K watching on DVR.

    Week Three has 45K live on Friday (note the show moved from 11:20 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on this night), 26K VOD and 72K DVR. No number for the Monday replay.

    Week Four has 127K on Friday and 211K on Monday (no VOD or DVR info)

    Week Five has 78K on Friday (note the show moved from 10:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.) and 148K on Monday (no VOD or DVR info).

    Week Six has 62K on Friday, with the VOD viewership around 8K and DVR around 70K. No Monday rating.


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    It's hard to match up the data here because they seem to be dividing them differently - but what it looks like is that the Friday figures I'm getting include all time-shifted viewing, but don't include the people watching the shorter show. The trouble is that BARB include time-shifted viewing but they don't divide it the way the Observer are, but instead group the people by the device they watched on.

    I'm not sure I can make sense of what is going on in the weeks where there was a Sunday show - but the Observers numbers seem to be lower than the estimate for week 2 that these people have from Thinkbox, unless they have just lumped Friday/Sunday together? But yeah, I don't have a convincing answer for that.

    Week 3 - the various numbers seem to add up pretty closely to the Thinkbox total, but week 4, I'm not sure where the Observer numbers are - my guess is that is maybe just the live viewers, because the total number elsewhere seems to be much higher. It seems the 77,000 tracks closely to week 5, but then the week 6 seems pessimistic again, so I don't know what to make of them.



    The Monday numbers are very interesting. I would have said for all sorts of reasons that the kind of numbers they are quoting there was pretty a much a best case scenario, unlikely but theoretically possible. I'm not able to back it up because the channel they are on is so popular that to hit the top 15 programmes you'd have to get 4 million viewers - but if those turn out to be anywhere near accurate (and I tend to trust the Observer when it comes to this sort of thing) then yeah, it changes things dramatically.

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    In what way does it change things dramatically?


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    Well, there was no reason to believe that they were that high - in the middle of the night, with a shortened version that was originally the source of some pushback, when you could watch the whole show a few days earlier (or at any point in the weekend through the Hub). So there's a few things you can say: the pure numbers of eyes on the product are clearly higher, for one thing. But if they are doing 211k one week and 148k the next, maybe that introduces the dynamic of a slump in ratings over time.

    And I guess there's also this question - if you've got a version of the show that gives you about 45 minutes out of the whole thing, why would people be actively choosing that one, rather than the whole show - which, as I say, is freely available?

    It changes the picture a lot, but I'm not sure how many answers we get. I'll keep an eye out and see if I can get anymore info in coming weeks and we'll compare notes again, see how it shapes up to what Dave is reporting.

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    Well remember; the replay on Monday night is on regular ITV. The full show (which I should point out has gone from 11:20 p.m. to 10 p.m. to 11 p.m. and may have moved again this past week) is on ITV4. Is it possible that could be a factor?


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    Definitely. In fact, it's the only thing that makes sense. But everyone that has ITV1 will have ITV4. It's a less popular channel, but it's not a less widely available channel. So you'd expect the fan to watch the earlier showing on ITV4 or watch on the Hub (which will show up on the Friday numbers, not the repeat, which isn't made available through VOD).

    I thought they might get a few more eyes through ITV1 but on a show that comes on 12:40 in the morning, when you could have watched for days, and when people were originally complaining that the late night show wasn't going to be the complete thing, I certainly didn't expect it to be where the majority of viewers came from.

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    Stepping away from the numbers a second, I'm excited to see Kris Statlander on Dark tonight. People have been saying AEW needs a woman who comes off as a star for their division, and I think with the bare minimum of right handling that could be Statlander in the very near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    Stepping away from the numbers a second
    Thank you. There isn't a more ridiculous discussion in the IWC than ratings in 2019. It's boring, outside any realm of importance to a fan, and merely used to talk about why one product is superior/inferior to another. It's all about defending your team, and it's tiresome at best.

    I've heard good things about Kris, plus rumors she signed/almost signed/ didn't sign with NXT. If she's had an NXT contract in her hands since early this month, but held off for this AEW show, she has great bargaining power wit both brands.

    As for the best choice to go with? NXT is the obvious choice as the better roster, but AEW might be the better choice for immediate impact. AEW's women's division is severely lacking, so someone who stands out can get pushed to the top quickly. I could definitely see someone saying that's the better option. And, if she signs for 3 years, the best talent from NXT will likely be main brand by that point. She could then negotiate a main roster contract, if she wanted to explore her options, bypassing NXT.

    In terms of short term benefit, signing with AEW would be the smarter choice in my opinion. Long term, it's a toss up. Better growth in NXT, with an established division and the performance center team, and then graduate to main roster to even bigger bucks. But, despite AEW still being new, and not having the established team with their coaching staff, I think it's wiser to go there. WWE's PC best product has been the women, but I still believe the best way to succeed in wrestling is to travel the promotions and learn from everywhere. No amount of guest coaches at the PC can replace real world experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post
    Thank you. There isn't a more ridiculous discussion in the IWC than ratings in 2019. It's boring, outside any realm of importance to a fan, and merely used to talk about why one product is superior/inferior to another. It's all about defending your team, and it's tiresome at best.
    Well, I'm obviously more interested in ratings than you, and as a wrestling fan who doesn't watch AEW that's the only thing about them I am interested in, is how they are doing. But I agree with the point about comparative ratings - seeing who wins Wednesday night, for example - is pretty much worthless, and is used precisely in the way you are saying here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEN15v2 View Post
    WWE's PC best product has been the women, but I still believe the best way to succeed in wrestling is to travel the promotions and learn from everywhere. No amount of guest coaches at the PC can replace real world experience.
    I think that this is the best way to learn, but the best way to polish is definitely to work with those high level coaches.

    That's the main difference I see when I see AEW vs NXT matches. AEW guys tend to take more acrobatic risks, but I find the NXT ones to be so much more polished in every way. Even the lowest level NXT talent can nail their entrance and camera cues 10 times out of 10, their bumps tend to look crisper, and the women just seem so much more polished.

    The AEW guys who have done stints in WWE, have 30 years of experience, or have been through ROH or TNA or other TV companies have that same polish because it's been trained. But most of the women and a lot of the guys who haven't had that experience feel, when I watch them, unready for prime time.

    I feel most of the time when I'm watching NXT that I'm watch stars (because they've been trained to look like that), but when I'm watching AEW it feels like indy guys with a big budget. Maybe that's why AEW hasn't hit with me, I see indy guys work four or five days per week, I don't need to sit down and watch two more hours of it.

    That's where I'd say that if someone has don't the indy thing, has gained the experience, but wants to get that last polish and the "Superstar training", go to NXT. If the money's better and and the chance to leapfrog "the system" is important to you, go AEW all the way.

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    The only things we know about Statlander is that she was offered an NXT deal and turned it down; there is speculation as to why (something to do with a talent relation's issue) but that's it. The confusing aspects over this are because Casey Michael of Squared Circle Sirens (a site that covers women's wrestler) initially reported she was signed, only to later learn he had been misled, leading to him doing the walk of shame ala Dave Meltzer with Seth Rollins (I don't think it's been confirmed anywhere but given how serious the apology Squared Circle Sirens released after, the implication was that Statlander confirmed to them herself that their initial report was bogus). Beyond that it's all unknown. AEW was obviously really impressed with her given how much they hyped last night's AEW Dark match she was in (I thought she did a hell of a job myself) but as best I can tell no one has reported she's signed full time and she was still taking indie dates last I checked. Maybe that'll change or maybe she'll have an Orange Cassidy/Mercedes Martinez deal where she does AEW shows but still works indies. The only thing that's for sure right now is that she doesn't appear to be NXT bound any time soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Time View Post
    Well, I'm obviously more interested in ratings than you, and as a wrestling fan who doesn't watch AEW that's the only thing about them I am interested in, is how they are doing. But I agree with the point about comparative ratings - seeing who wins Wednesday night, for example - is pretty much worthless, and is used precisely in the way you are saying here.
    I guess I should say that ratings talk can be interesting. Week 1, that was interesting. And an overall view of how it'll fluctuate is interesting, I guess. But no matter what the ratings are, they are still meaningless overall. It's still way too early to use the ratings as a metric for anything. Week 2 of the head to head battle, people were claiming those were the numbers that both shows would stay steady at. Obviously, that was incorrect. Both have declined, with each having a week where they raised up. NXT benefited from having the NXT stars on the main roster shows, and Full Gear created intrigued for the next Dynamite. But there's so very little to discuss outside of those things, and no matter what conclusion you might come to, it changes absolutely nothing.

    Except for dick measuring against the other show. And for 90% of the people commenting, they watch both shows anyways. It's a ridiculous line of discussion.

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    I think that this is the best way to learn, but the best way to polish is definitely to work with those high level coaches.

    That's the main difference I see when I see AEW vs NXT matches. AEW guys tend to take more acrobatic risks, but I find the NXT ones to be so much more polished in every way. Even the lowest level NXT talent can nail their entrance and camera cues 10 times out of 10, their bumps tend to look crisper, and the women just seem so much more polished.

    The AEW guys who have done stints in WWE, have 30 years of experience, or have been through ROH or TNA or other TV companies have that same polish because it's been trained. But most of the women and a lot of the guys who haven't had that experience feel, when I watch them, unready for prime time.

    I feel most of the time when I'm watching NXT that I'm watch stars (because they've been trained to look like that), but when I'm watching AEW it feels like indy guys with a big budget. Maybe that's why AEW hasn't hit with me, I see indy guys work four or five days per week, I don't need to sit down and watch two more hours of it.

    That's where I'd say that if someone has don't the indy thing, has gained the experience, but wants to get that last polish and the "Superstar training", go to NXT. If the money's better and and the chance to leapfrog "the system" is important to you, go AEW all the way.
    Agreed 100%, but you yourself can likely understand that at your experience and exposure level, AEW could be the better option for someone still learning. NXT's coaching staff is unmatched, and not even the NJPW dojos can compare, but that's because the PC is a finishing school for TV work. WWE is the only promotion that's really put effort into that, and the fact that others have not is understandable. It also means it's also understandably not as important to talent unless they are in NXT. So it seems to be about balancing growing as an in-ring talent outside NXT, or growing a TV product in NXT. And in the end, both directions end up with a similar goal. AEW is rough around the edges in SOOO many ways right now, but by June 2020, it could be a different story. The company, the show, and the talents, are almost all new to live TV. With the coaching staff they do have, I'm sure TV presentation will end up being a priority, but it's understandably not one yet.

    Hopefully 6 months from now, it won't be wall to wall matches of people getting their shit in either. I have less expectations on that though.

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    Even the lowest level NXT talent can nail their entrance and camera cues 10 times out of 10
    I get the value of this but it's actually sort of a turn off for me. WWE is very good at polishing these small details but I feel sometimes it breeds a kind of lifeless feelings. But I know some fans prefer that, so I guess that's another way to differentiate between AEW and WWE.

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    At the risk of incurring the wrath of Pen, ratings for anyone who cares.

    AEW: 893,000 (-6.6%)
    NXT: 916,000 (+22.1%)

    Overall up by a little over 100,000.

    Also someone reported recently that the minute-by-minute reports from a week ago apparently show that AEW viewers are reasonably like to switch to NXT when the show goes to commercial break or finishes, but that WWE fans largely are much less likely to do the same.

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    AEW still beat NXT this week in every demo except for 50+

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    Fun fact; The Wrath of Pen is the title of my LOP comeback column where Crow Pen turns evil and I have to stop him with the help of my loyal followers and an attractive woman. Scheduled for release in 2024. Keep an eye out!

    Both are really good numbers considering the debates were here in the US last night. AEW won all the demos save the over 50 one again, so my guess is the influx of main roster stars, that over 50 demo and NXT's overrun (which has indeed led to many switching over after AEW is done) led to this first NXT victory. Either way I'm sure both sides will be pleased. The fan bases however is a different story!


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    I have to wonder if TNT will give an overrun... I don't think they air original programming after AEW

    Also, its pretty cool that the viewership was that high for both imo. close to a million for both on the same night is good for wrestling.
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    I could be wrong but I don't believe AEW and TNT are that interested in that sort of thing. I've watched every Dynamite episode at this point and while they certainly want to draw good ratings, the number one goal isn't to book a show that pops a rating; the number one goal is to book a good show. People may disagree on the quality of the show and how wrestling should be booked and this and that but I don't think anyone here can argue that AEW hasn't tried to put on a good show for the first eight weeks. I think they're far more interested in that than they are necessarily chasing a rating, because in theory the better the show is, the better the ratings will be over time. Perhaps that will change, perhaps it won't, but I think for now AEW is just fine putting on shows their fans (and really, most people outside of this forum) find to be very entertaining as opposed to doing things that may get them "better" ratings. Plus it's working; the numbers are significantly higher than what TNT was expecting (500K from what I've read) and with the World Series now up the numbers have stablized the last few weeks between 890K and 960K. There's no need to change now.


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    I get what you mean by chasing a rating and i know they did the whole time remaining rule but having an overrun could just mean being less rigid about the end of the show. I wouldn't do it all the time though.

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