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    Pro Wrestling NOAH

    Here's a brief summary of last night's NOAH results, from the EDION Arena in Osaka. Naturally SPOILERS follow.






    (1) Yoshinari Ogawa & Junta Miyawaki vs. Hajime Ohara & Hitoshi Kumano
    Winner: Kumano (12:42) with an Argentine Backbreaker on Miyawaki.

    (2) Akitoshi Saito vs. Masao Inoue vs. Cody Hall
    Winner: Saito (4:55) via pin-fall on Inoue.

    (3) Muhammad Yone & Quiet Storm vs. Maybach Taniguchi & Mitsuya Nagai
    Winner: Taniguchi (11:09) with the Maybach Bomb Zwei on Storm.

    (4) Atsushi Kotoge vs. YO-HEY
    Winner: Kotoge (10:08) following the Kill Switch.

    (5) Kenoh vs. HAYATA
    Winner: Kenoh (8:01) following a Diving Foot Stomp.

    (6) Kaito Kiyomiya vs. Masa Kitamiya
    Winner: Kitamiya (7:43) following a Saito Suplex.

    (7) Takashi Sugiura, Daisuke Harada & Tadasuke vs. Naomichi Marufuji, Hi69 & Minoru Tanaka
    Winner: Hi69 (18:53) with the Stuka Splash on Tadasuke.

    (8) Go Shiozaki vs. Katsuhiko Nakajima
    Winner: Nakajima (17:47) following the Vertical Spike.



    Apparently a lot of this is building up to their Korakuen Hall show at the end of the month.

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    While All Japan has rebounded a fair bit this year, it's my impression Noah is still in sort of rough shape (I look forward to Pete pulling up attendance statistics that prove me completely wrong on that). At the beginning of the year they got some hype around the Kenou vs. Kaito Kiyomiya feud, which I thought was pretty good but not great. Their roster really doesn't grab me that much at the moment I guess, they've got a couple good guys but they really feel lost in the mix of a lot of Japanese feds that are out performing them on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    (I look forward to Pete pulling up attendance statistics that prove me completely wrong on that).
    Really not sure I can. Short version, I think they're on the up, but it's in a relatively small way compared with All Japan so it's harder to verify. If you can imagine the kind of slow building work AJPW have done over the last couple of years, I have the feeling that NOAH are basically right at the beginning of that process and you're only seeing the result in the odd improved attendance here and there. But as I say, it's a lot harder to prove.

    I wonder if going back to Sugiura is an attempt to try and recapture some of the mood of the previous decade.

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    I feel like that's kind of his whole deal? I did really like his stuff with Minoru Suzuki a few years back, but that's Suzuki so of course it's going to be brilliant. The whole Suzuki-gun invasion was pretty great from what I saw, and it's since New Japan pulled him back to the fold that they've been seemingly struggling. I thought Nakajima might pull them back up but that didn't seem to do much, and more recently Kenou seemed like the hot new hope but I'm not sure they'll go all in on him.

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    The next title defence on the 29th is against Marufuji. Quality no doubt, but certainly not indicative of a brave new world.

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    Yeah, they don't seem to be on a path to return to success the same way AJPW is right now.

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    I didn't catch the show last night, but Takashi Sugiura defended the GHC Heavyweight title against Marufuji. Two title matches for Marufuji in a span of a week, no wins. At least he won the Champion Carnival.

    Based on what I read, after the match Kenoh and Kaito Kiyomiya both challenged Sugiura, so in one of the upcoming shows they both will face each other to determine the next in line to get the GHC Heavyweight Championship shot.

    Also on the show, Go Shiozaki & Kaito Kiyomiya lost their first GHC Heavyweight Championship title defense again Katsuhiko Nakajima & Masa Kitamiya.

    I honestly don't know half of the names here as I haven't been following Noah, so I'm not sure if anything that happened here should be something to look forward to during the summer.

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    Kind of figured Marufuji would fail on both title shots. A bit weird if you get beat by one champion and not by another in such a short span, it'd look like you were making a statement that one company was better than the other.

    Kenoh (Kenou? I always see his name written differently) and Kiyomiya created some buzz with their feud back in January, so a rematch should be interesting. I think both guys have potential to be that fresh new guy for NOAH the way Kento was for All Japan, but only if they commit to one of them. I think I'd go with Kenoh personally but either one could be a good option, they're both pretty talented.

    I thought Nakajima might be their guy for a while but it feels like that window may have passed. Those tag teams look kind of random to me but I like everyone involved. Masa Kitamiya in particular is an under the radar great talent.

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    Just coming up on the Misawa Memorial show now. I hear they're running something out there where it's the people old enough to remember Misawa against a new generation or something like that?

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    Wild that it's been 9 years since he passed. Don't think NOAH ever really recovered from that, even yet.

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    Been confirmed in the past couple of days that "Sugiura will defend the GHC Heavy belt against Kenoh on June 26th at the Korakuen Hall."

    I guess this is a rematch of the one I saw where Sugiura won the title back in March.

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    Hope Kenoh takes it back! Really feels like they need to go all in on someone fresh. Sugiura's good but NOAH really needs to build that new generation up.

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    Dunno man, he did too many of those fighting spirit spots that ruin things for me, and they were pretty obnoxious ones even compared to the NJPW guys. So dunno if I can get on that train.

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    It's NOAH, so I feel like they all do that. It's just the house style, so might as well go with someone fresher doing them.

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    I perhaps don't know enough but in that match it seemed Sigiura was less offensive with it!


    But yeah, speaking from a position of not much knowledge here.

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    Got the Sigiura and Marufuji match to cast to my TV and watched. Definitely worth a look. Not as good as his tilt at the Triple Crown belt but still decent.

    Also worth noting it's the biggest and hottest crowd I've seen for one of their shows lately.

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    Hideo Itami is wrestling a date for NOAH in August.

    So, speculation is that this is a start of a "working agreement" with the company. I see this like when Finn (while he was injured) went to his old promotion and showed up. In that case, it has lead to further dialog between the companies.

    We'll see, but the fact that NOAH's getting KENTA back for a show is massive.

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    What a bizarre time in wrestling. Imagine thinking 5 years ago that WWE would not only sign guys like Chris Hero and KENTA but loan them out to work other promotions.

    I used to be a big KENTA fan but he hasn't impressed me in quite a while. Nice get for NOAH for the name value though, and makes me interested in seeing what else might come of it.

    Funny, I swear they just had a relationship with TNA recently too. How does NOAH, of all places, keep making these inroads in the US?

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    I imagine he'll still pop a gate though, unless the time away has killed his appeal over there. Seems unlikely, and they were doing way bigger numbers when he left than they have been since.

    I think he's picked back up a bit the times I saw in the last few months. He had a decent enough run before the injuries in NXT but coming back from them, it was like they'd moved on to other people and didn't really know what to do with him anymore. But 205 seems to have seen things fall into place.

    Either way, seems like decent enough business sense to get him back in for a spot if you can. Plus if he does turn up and do something that really is top notch it does change the conversation around him and how he's being used for good, doesn't it?

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    The card for that show was announced, and there's a lot of participation from other companies and freelancers:

    - Mohammad Yone & Junta Miyawaki vs. Mitsuo Momota & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (freelancer)
    - Akitoshi Saito, Masao Inoue (freelancer), & Hikaru Kawabata (freelancer) vs. Takuma Sano, Tamon Honda, & Shiro Koshinaka (All freelancers)
    - Quiet Storm & Tadasuke vs. Takao Omori (All Japan) & Cody Hall
    - HAYATA & YO-HEY vs. Shuji Kondo & Kaz Hayashi (both Wrestle-1)
    - Minoru Tanaka, Hi69, & Kotaro Suzuki (freelancer) vs. Hajime Ohara, Hitoshi Kumano, & Seiya Morohashi
    - Katsuhiko Nakajima, Masa Kitamiya, & Taiyo Kea (freelancer) vs. Go Shiozaki, Kaito Kiyomiya, & Yoshinari Ogawa
    - Kenoh, Atsushi Kotoge, & Maybach Taniguchi vs. HARASHIMA, Sanshiro Takagi, & Danshoku Dino (all DDT)
    - Takashi Sugiura & Daisuke Harada vs. Jun Akiyama & Atsushi Aoki (both All Japan)
    - Naomichi Marufuji vs. Hideo Itami (WWE)

    The main event should be good, looking forward to seeing how Itami fares in his return to Noah.

    Another pretty historic moment is that this is the first time Akiyama, Suzuki and Aoki have worked a Noah show since leaving the company at the end of 2012. Marufuji said that he expected to have more exchanges / interactions with All Japan from here on out.
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    It's definitely intriguing, this idea of there being a coming together between Noah and AJPW, given the history. Is it just me that gets to think of the possibility of the 'Ark' coming home and them pooling their resources? I know it's got to be hugely unlikely but surely fun to think of nonetheless.

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    NOAH and AJPW coming back together has been talked about for a long time but it never really seems to get close to happening. Anything could happen though, you never know!

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    The article I read with this announcement made it sound like Marufuji was more hopeful than Jun Akiyama about their futures together, in the sense that Marufuji made it sound like there would be a lot more involvement while Akiyama specifically mentioned that it would mostly be during bigger shows. In any case, collaboration between these companies can only help them given their status right now. And it's awesome for the fans, too. I'm looking forward to seeing more Noah guys mix it up with All Japan.

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    Maybe it'll work more on NOAH cards while AJPW try and preserve more of a separate identity - and the build they have had lately - on their own shows? I dunno, just thinking out loud really.

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    Can't say I know much about them, but I heard that the Jr Tag League was won by HAYATA and YO-HEY for the second year running?

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    I hear that NOAH have generated a bit of buzz by announcing a pretty stacked a-block for the Global League in the last week or so?

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    I haven't heard much about NOAH for a long time, but I honestly don't pay much attention to them.

    I checked out the participants of the Global League and it looks pretty decent:

    A Block

    - Naomichi Marufuji
    - Akitoshi Saito
    - Quiet Storm
    - Katsuhiko Nakajima
    - Kenoh (last year's Global League winner)
    - Masa Kitamiya
    - Mitsuya Nagai
    - Kohei Sato (From Zero1)

    B Block

    - Takashi Sugiura
    - Mohammed Yone
    - Go Shiozaki
    - Atsushi Kotoge
    - Kaito Kiyomiya
    - Maybach Taniguchi
    - Cody Hall
    - Kazusada Higuchi (from DDT)

    I don't see how the A Block is stacked, though. To me both blocks look pretty even, at least with the names that I've seen before. But then again I've only watched NOAH maybe once or twice in the past couple of years so I don't know how their roster stacks up in 2018.

    If anyone follows NOAH a bit, I'd love to know if the tournament is worth following.

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    The comments I had seen were in a specific NOAH area of the 'net and referred to the company's three aces - Marufuji, Nakajima, Kenoh, I think they mean - all in the same block.

    But maybe it's like preaching to the converted and it only makes buzz amongst the people who already watch it.

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    Yeah, I would say Block A looks stronger on paper, at least in terms of guys with sizeable pushes. Don't think I've watched enough to say if it's worth watching or not, but probably worth cherry picking a few matches.

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    If nothing else I guess you could treat it as a round Robin between the three of them, and then just check out anything else that seems relevant on top.

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    Seems harder to get good info about NOAH than it used to be, but from what I can tell there was a good turnout to see [SPOILER SO DON'T READ ON IF YOU FOLLOW THE SHOW AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW] ...........








    ............Kaito Kiyomiya become the youngest GHC Champion in history.

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    I like Kiyomiya reasonably well, but I can't say I'm rushing back to see him on top. I've watched very little NOAH this year, just can't seem to get into it at the moment.

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    I don't think you are alone, compared with a year or so ago it seems to be almost impossible to find news out of NOAH now, in English at any rate.

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    Iíve only watched a handful of NOAH matches over the years... most notably Marifugi/KENTA twice for different titles and I think there was a Chris Sabin/Ultimo Dragon match. (Itís been close to a decade since Iíve checked anything out...) Can somebody recommend me some matches? Whether current stuff or older stuff... it doesnít matter.

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    Sure, they've had some great stuff over the years. I'll throw out 5 personal favorites for you to try:



    From '03. Probably the most famous match the promotion ever had. Misawa was the face of the 90s in All Japan but Kobashi was always 1B, right behind him on the babyface side (and at times more popular with the fans). Despite this, Kobashi never beat Misawa one on one with a title on the line, despite many victories in other scenarios. This was a decisive moment for NOAH, would they continue with Misawa (now the actual owner) on top or would Kobashi finally take the ball and run with it?



    From '05. Kensuke Sasaki had been a big star in New Japan for much of the 90s and into the 00s, but in early '05 he parted ways with them, and one of the first things he did was get into a dream match with Kobashi. Absolutely worth your time to check this one out.



    From '07. Lots of very familiar names in this one. Just an absolutely incredible tag match with four of the brightest rising stars of the period.



    From '15. I have a pretty notable gap in between those years, partly because business took a major hit when Misawa died and they lost some of their TV exposure. This was during a resurgence where they partnered with NJPW, which basically consisted of Jado taking over the booking and Minoru Suzuki showing up to constantly wreck shit with the top NOAH guys, which was awesome.



    From '17. They started experimenting with bringing in outside wrestlers to mix things up after their partnership with New Japan ended, and it produced some pretty cool stuff. Probably the most recent thing I'd recommend, as I wasn't that big a fan of their 2018 (though there was a lot I didn't see, in fairness).

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    Will check out all five eventually, but Iím definitely checking out that tag match when I get home tonight.

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    Looking forward to hearing what you think of it!

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    So, mizfan... just finally got around to checking out that tag match. Wow. (I'm slightly drunk, yet I was able to take 3 pages of notes on that match.) So... I obviously know about KENTA and Marafuji based on my next to last post in this thread. I also know about Kota Ibushi from watching him in the CWC a while back. (Well... that and what I've read about him and Kenny Omega being The Golden Lovers.) This was the first time I've actually seen Ishimori in action... although I do know that name from general reading.

    I'm just gonna drop a bunch of bullet points. Hopefully you remember what I'm talking about, and if anyone new comes across this thread, maybe this will help point them in a right direction.

    -love how it starts KENTA/Marafuji & the crowd is already popping. (I'm guessing this was after their various matches for the different titles... The crowd popseems to suggest that)

    -barely 90 seconds in... these two are so stiff with each other. This is what I think of when I hear "strong style"... tell me how Nakamura is the king. (Granted... I've never seen Nak's NJPW stuff, but his WWE stuff is sooooooooo weak compared to KENTA/Marafuji.)

    -Ishimori is crisp with his moves... the head scissors take down... the fake dive through the ropes where he basically did an inverted 619 but came back into the ring... has he spent time down in Mexico?

    -love the hard elbows going into straight face slaps going into stiff kicks to the thigh

    -dragon screw leg whip into the rope from Marafuji to KENTA after Ibushi had kicked the shit out of KENTA's thigh was a great spot... keep the pressure on the "bad leg" so KENTA can't stand up for GTS or get a good run for the Busaiku (sp?). Marafuji going into submissions immediately after reinforces this trainof thought.

    -one thing I've actually become to bored with... the snapmare followed by the stiff kick to the back. Everybody seems to do that now... and after watching AmDrag, Punk and Joe do it for so long, it's kind of just meh.

    -Ishimori with the camel clutch on Ibushi... Marafuji thinking about running in to make the break, but KENTA saw that and started inching into the ring to cut of Marafuji, so he backed off. That was a cool sight/spot to see and American tag teams need to watch that and learn to incorporate it

    -Ibushi running the ropes with a somerset flip, and KENTA just sits down and slaps the shit out of him... nice

    -Marafuji is a house of fire at the 15:20ish mark while KENTA and Ishimori are trying to double team him. Marafuji managed to take them both out and actually got a pop from me. (I'm VERY pro-KENTA in everything he does, so for Marafuji to get a pop out of me while taking out KENTA is impressive. Not only did I want him <Itami... I wish he would've come in a year or so later when the 'E wasn't renaming people...> to win the CW title at the Rumble... I was legit pissed when I saw that he not only didn't win, but he was the one that took the pinfall.)

    -16:11-16:27... just. fucking. wow. Marafuji and KENTA are soooooo good together

    -right at the 17:00 mark.... lookslike Marafuji is going for Sliced Bread #2 and KENTA pushes him up to the second rope. Marafuji comes back down and gets caught in an Ace Crusher. Once again... these two work way too well with each other. I love it.

    -Looks like Marafuji had a botch at about the 18:10ish mark. That springboard clothesline just wasn't right.

    -that Pele kick from Ishimori to Ibushi... and then the crucifix bomb! Wow. And then Ibushi catching Ishimori off the back handspring elbow and dumping him right on his head with that German suplex!

    -21:10... Ibushi falling back to dodge KENTA's kick and then springing up and dropping KENTA with a roundhouse was very nice

    -Ibushi/Marafuji moonsault/frog splash/standing shooting star press on KENTA was very cool

    -24:44... back to the same spot as 21:10... only this time KENTA dodged the roundhouse kick and caught Ibushi with a beautiful tiger suplex

    -KENTA catching the spin wheel kick from Ibushi after the fury of slaps and kicks and lifting him up for the GTS was fucking fantastic.


    Thank you, sir,for recommending this match. Made me remember what I loved about the KENTA/Marafuji matches more than a decade ago, and it also makes me want to check out more Ibushi and Ishimori matches. I give this match... 8.75 hearts.

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    Haha, fucking love this post, love everything about it. Hope you do this for all the other matches I mentioned.

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    Sadly... I wasn't terribly impressed with the fake Kenta (that always messed me up when I was searching KENTA matches back in the day...) in some of his matches I saw from ROH, (against Samoa Joe... and I think AmDrag?...), so I'm not looking forward to those. (Although... I've heard amazing things about Misawa...) Fuck it... I'll watch the two Kenta Kobashi matches. (And I'll give drunk reviews again...) The other 2 matches have been pulled, though, due to copyright infringement or whatever.

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