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    Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide

    I've heard that there's some interesting stuff going on in AAA at the moment, so much so that I think it's got to be worth seeing if they can sustain their own thread, rather than just lumping all Lucha conversation in together.

    So anything related to the AAA promotion, from the 1992 split right the way up to the present day, goes here!

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    I watched some of the stuff from earlier this year and OUCH is all I can say to describe it. Some of the undercard stuff was good but there was a Johnny Mundo vs. Rey Wagner (the former Dr Wagner Jr) match that felt right out of the worst of Russo, courtesy of Vampiro.

    But yeah, I hear that things are looking up in a major way. Mysterio booked for an upcoming event is a great sign, and they've brought back some other notable guys recently like Jack Evans and Juventud Guerrera, as well as Cult's other favorite Teddy Hart.

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    Thought I was getting a bit wiser to lucha, then found out AAA have a guy called... Psycho Clown?!

    They're not shy about having the names be right on the nose, are they?

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    Subtlety isn't exactly a hallmark of lucha, you know! They've actually got a whole bunch of clowns over there, Psycho is just by far the biggest name of them. He's pretty good too, in my opinion, though his mask is potential nightmare fuel:


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    The clown gimmick is a AAA staple; it started shortly after the promotion's inception with the very popular Los Payasos stable and then brought back in 2007 with Los Psychos Circus, which is how Psycho Clown came to be. Konnan based the stable and their look off the bad movie classic Killer Clowns from Outer Space; they ended up getting really popular and Psycho (who is the son of Brazo de Plata, aka former WWE star Super Porky) in particular became one of the most beloved luchadores in Mexico. He's the ace of AAA right now (and an underrated worker overall in my book, though he is somewhat choppy) while his former partners, the hilariously named Monster and Murder Clown, are a midcard tag team. There's two other clowns in AAA in addition to them; Pagano, a death match wrestler and Dave the Clown, who might just be the worst wrestler I have ever seen. The dude makes Big Cass look like Negro Casas in his peak.

    But enough about the clowns; big AAA show tonight. It's their fifth biggest event of the year, Verano de Escandalo, it'll take place in a Monterrey bull ring and will feature Rey Mysterio challenging Dr. Wagner Jr. for the AAA World title, a six man hair match between Los OGT's and Poder del Norte, the aforementioned Psycho Clown, Juventud Guerrera, the return of Konnan and potentially some even bigger, game changing announcements. Oh, and it'll be available for free on Twitch at 7:30! I recommend everyone watch this.

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    Awesome knowledge drop with the clown stuff! And shit, that sounds like a loaded show indeed. And free to boot!

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    So I couldn't watch last night, but how in the hell is Jeff Jarrett champion? This is confusing.

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    Um, ok, so I was feeling excited about AAA's new direction, but surely this seems like 1 million percent the wrong way for them to take??? And I saw he's supposed to be the leader of MAD too???

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    I think maybe Konnan might have over booked MAD. Like when they had the group in the early 2010's, with OG LA Park, and others, it was cool. But by putting the title on Jarrett, I'm confused. And I guess they are going to have a new Fenix. Like WTF?

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    That's not a new Fenix; that is Fenix. He is working BOTH AAA and CMLL.

    Here's what happened, as best I can piece together. I know for a fact that Jarrett wasn't supposed to win the title initially; in fact judging by his run in at the end I would guess it was Fenix. Whoever it was, the call was overruled by Marisela Pena Roldan because she wanted an established older star; that's how Jarrett was chosen and that's why we got what we got in horrible fashion. The good news is he isn't the leader; Konnan is (he returned last night himself) and the longest Jarrett is going to be around for is a few months at most. It was an absolutely horrible call, especially since it could've been Fenix, Kevin Kross or Juventud Guerrera in the role instead, but it's mostly just a minor setback. Konnan should be able to overcome it and the rest of the show, save for a sloppy six man match that had to be called early due to Drago getting injured, was pretty good and would've been great if they had picked anyone other than Jarrett. AAA is still a lot more interesting going forward today than they were a few months ago.

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    Ok, that's good to know. Makes me worried there will be more unexpected changes from above Konnan's head though. The sooner they drop Jarrett again the better, didn't he show up drunk to Triplemania just last year? If he had some kind of intrinsic value and he really is clean then maybe I could see it, but I just don't. Is Jarrett supposed to be really over in Mexico? Do they mistakenly think this will drum up American interest instead of disgust? Did they just want a guy with a WWE HOF ring in the spot?

    If it had been Fenix winning the belt that would have been stupendous. I do love that he is apparently working every major lucha libre company in existence now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    The sooner they drop Jarrett again the better, didn't he show up drunk to Triplemania just last year?
    He did and the fucker got away with it (not counting Impact icing him) because everyone decided to focus on the Sexy Star/Rosemary incident. He largely has gotten a pass for it from American fans and clearly some people in AAA have forgiven him too.

    This was an odd situation though. Dr. Wagner Jr. revealed today he is gone from AAA; I'm told it's a combination of a) his feud with his son being scrapped once Konnan came in and b) being told he was dropping the title. Once he chose to walk that put the decision squarely in Marisela's hands (which normally doesn't happen; Dorian and Konnan are the primary guys making creative calls with Vampiro still somewhat involved) and Marisela is the type of person who thinks the only workers of value are the established older stars. That's why Imposter Parka keeps getting main event spots and programs despite the fact that my cell phone could out work him. And because Jarrett was a star at one point she wanted him over who Konnan wanted (which judging from his appearance was Fenix); it's dumb and even dumber because she had fucking Juventud Guerrera right there as a guy who's a bigger star in Mexico than Jarrett has ever been, not to mention someone who can still work and cut a promo. But yeah, my understanding is she probably made the call in this situation.

    Now that being said it's not the end of the world, like I said earlier. If it was, Konnan would've walked after the show (he did not) and Fenix would've appeared. So Konnan was at the very least amicable about this decision and how he could work with it, and Fenix clearly knows he's going to be used okay because otherwise he'd be gone. So there's no reason to worry right now. It's disappointing that neither Fenix or Juvy got the gold, but I guarantee Jarrett won't be long for AAA and things will look more promising on that main event front soon. And even if not, the undercard is so great right now that AAA is still far better off than they were when Wagner and Mundo were recreating 1999 WCW finishes.

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    That was genuinely horrible, so you're right, things are looking way up even if Jarrett as world champion is pretty '99 WCW in and of itself!

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    The ch..ch..chosen one!

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    Perhaps we were wrong about Jarrett. I am personally reporting that there is an AAA show scheduled for MADISON SQUARE GARDEN later this year. This comes out the day after Jarrett wins the title. Coincidence? I think not!

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    Why go to MSG. In the US, they draw in LA. I'd go to Texas if they want to draw somewhere else. MSG? Big mistake, other than saying they have a show in MSG.

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    I'm not sure it is a mistake. There's a strong wrestling presence in New York, and with everything being so accessible/globalized now I think they could draw a good crowd. I would have thought LA would make more sense too, but they've definitely kicked up some buzz just thanks to those initials, MSG.

    I'm sensing some tongue in cheek there, Colt...

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    Gang, it's gotten even crazier. The main event for Triplemania will be a four way mask match between Psycho Clown, El Hijo del Fantasma (King Cuerno), Pentagon Jr. (yes, that Pentagon Jr.) and LA Park. Yes; THAT LA Park, the same one who is currently looking like he'll be headlining the CMLL Aniversario.

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    WTF? How does that even work. Only one mask is left? The person who takes the losing fall loses their mask? Like, what in the actual fuck? My mind is on overload!!!

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    I have so many questions. They hooked me. Like i have to see how this plays out!
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    It's my understanding that only the person who takes the fall loses the mask, so probably bye bye for Fantasma. That is a HELL of a main event though, bravo to AAA for putting that together. Konnan pulled out the big guns to make us all forget about Jarrett right away, lol.

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    The rules aren't quite clear yet because no one is sure if AAA is going to have this be in a cage or not. If it's a cage match then it'll be a case where two luchadores will escape, leaving the other two to fight for their masks. If it's not in a cage then my guess is it'll be like Negro Casas vs. Santo vs. El Dandy from 1996, where Casas pinned Dandy and got to leave, leaving Santo and Dandy to battle it out. It be that but with two guys having to do that instead of one, if that makes any sense. Either way the match should be killer as Pentagon and Fantasma are top talents in lucha libre, Psycho Clown is very good and massively over and at this point I could make the argument that LA Park is the best wrestler in the world right now. The dude is 53 years old, having Match of the Year candidates in Arena Mexico and is now going headline Triplemania and the Aniversario in the span of two weeks. TWO WEEKS! I would not be shocked at this point if he saved Pro Wrestling NOAH, was All In, battled Suzuki at the Cow Palace and ended up ending Brock Lesnar's reign before 2018 is over.

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    L.A. Park is the most underrated Mexican legend off all time. I was reading some post on Twitter, and I have to agree. L.A. Park's mask is elevated to the legendary levels! He's up there with Rey Mysterio, Atlantis, and the greats. I am also happy to see his son get shine. I always thought WWE should get the son, let the dad do his thing and be legendary, and use the son to market the hell out of the L.A. Park legacy. But it is what it is, looks like the son is doing great things now, barely 30 and hitting his prime, L.A. Park is on a better run than he was in the 90's, legendary family, legendary mask.

    And honestly, I hope only one mask is lost. I think it'll be El Hijo del Fantasma though.

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    It's only one mask that will be lost. And it will be Fantasma's. Poor guy; he'll always have King Cuerno!

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    Maybe he's a good looking guy and will be better off without the mask.

    Yeah, LA Park has been awesome. I caught his re-debut in CMLL and he was fantastic, gonna try to catch a lot more of him this year. 53 years old, damn!!

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    This is going to fucking rule and I will pay all my money to AAA to watch it.

    And yeah, I'll also watch LA Park vs Rush. I'll watch LA Park vs a fucking broom, and pay money for it.

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    And the crazy thing is I believe most of these big AAA shows are free on Twitch anyway! Free LA Park, amazing!

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    Joyous days! Joyous days indeed!

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    So, LA Park teamed with Penta to battle Psycho Clown and Pagano. Interesting match.

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    Well.... until L.A. Park nails everyone with a chair... but hey... who didn't see that coming... LOL...

    Then they teamed up in CMLL the next night and it's like nothing happened... hahaha

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    So, does LA Park have the best spear today?

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    Yes. Also Dr. Wagner Jr. has the best fur coats in lucha libre today, but that goes without saying.

    Before everyoen gets wrapped up in thinking Triplemania was a shitshow because Maffew and some other guy are posting hilarious Vampiro clips, let me reassure everyone that not only did Triplemania not suck, it was amazing. The English commentary was lame but for those watching the Spanish commentary (as I did) the show was unbelievable. Only the Lumberjack match with Jack Evans, Juventud Guerrera and Teddy Hart was below part. Everything else was good to outstanding, with the pre-show opener, the trios street fight and the four way ladder match (which I thought was just as good as the NXT ladder match from earlier this year) all stealing the show. The booking was damn good as well. When the Spanish version of the show becomes available, watch it! Truly a tremendous show and easily the best Triplemania AAA has done since 2014.


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    LA Park has a lot of bests today. Love how he is ruling lucha right now. Just gotta book him for Lucha Underground season 5 and his mastery will be complete!

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    I saw some of LA Park and El hijo fantasama like the back end cause i didn't know it was on and free last night. All I really thought was it was really slow paced.... besides a few dives and that sick spear. I'm never going to like the shady ref, which is why I always enjoyed CmLL more cause i didn't have to deal with that when I was a casual fan....

    But yeah, I'll check out the show as a whole when its available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    LA Park has a lot of bests today. Love how he is ruling lucha right now. Just gotta book him for Lucha Underground season 5 and his mastery will be complete!
    It's remarkable. PCO (future LA Park opponent in MLW by the way) has gotten a lot of accolades (and rightfully so) for his awesome comeback but even that can't compare to what Park is doing. He completely revitalized CMLL upon returning in May (attendance has been way up since), opened the door for Pentagon and Fenix to work between AAA and CMLL by doing it first, has had killer match after killer match in both promotions, just headlined a Triplemania that at least seated 16K (while talking Fantasma's mask), would've been the first man to headline Triplemania and the Aniversario in the same year if CMLL hadn't screwed it up (as such, he, Pentagon, Fenix and Hijo de LA Park will become the first guys since Miguel Perez Jr. in 1994 to work both shows) and is getting US interest from MLW, Impact and probably LU (seeing as they all work together). All 20 years after he supposedly peaked as the charismatic cult hero in WCW. It's one of the greatest comeback stories in wrestling history, which isn't even fair because Park has been great in Mexico the past twenty years only now he finally has the spotlight. If he was in WWE we'd be building statues of this man.


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    I guess I'm mixed on AAA. There was some really enjoyable parts, and then some parts that were really... yeah... In general though it was exactly what I hoped for and that's good enough. I think in general, AAA is now basically Mexican 2000 WCW, which is better than when they were basically Mexican TNA, so I'll take it. There are always bright spots, and the ladder match was so damn good! The ref stuff NEVER has bother me in AAA, because AAA introduced the crocked referee, and unlike CMLL, you expect it in AAA. When Tirantes acts up in CMLL you also know he's the booker behind the scenes and he's doing it to make himself look better. Hijo del Tirantes is there to further the storyline, so I'm not that mad at it. With that said, AAA does need some younger referees, god damn some ref work was hard to watch. Again, I'm judging AAA like 2000 WCW, so I can overlook things.

    Overall, enjoyable show for what it was, L.A. Park to me has elevated himself to having the most important mask in all of Lucha at this time. I'm glad Vamp said he was about 320, because I always read he's 221, even in his prime he was 240, I can't think of a single match that L.A. Park was ever 221... LMAO. But he's a beast and him taking the complete independent route has opened doors for a lot of luchadors. Mexico is the last country with a "Big 2," and I can see a lot of luchadors playing CMLL and AAA against each other. That's better for the wrestlers and the fans.
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    I hope you're talking back half of 2000 WCW, because even TNA has almost never been as bad as the Russo/Bischoff era!

    Yeah, the LA Park story is damn good they should be making movies about it. The dude is incredible in terms of buzz and actually delivering on that buzz. Great comparison to PCO, Park vs. PCO is gonna be something to see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    I hope you're talking back half of 2000 WCW, because even TNA has almost never been as bad as the Russo/Bischoff era!

    Yeah, the LA Park story is damn good they should be making movies about it. The dude is incredible in terms of buzz and actually delivering on that buzz. Great comparison to PCO, Park vs. PCO is gonna be something to see!
    I should mention, I was thinking back half 1999, and back half 2000, with the Filthy Animals starting to come up, and then CW tag titles WCW. Skip the part where they striped all champs of their title, because that was stupid.

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    Curiously, La Parka was one of the guys who remained stubbornly over through all of that stupidity, but of course they didn't give him shit to do.

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    Even hearing Eric Bischoff talk about it pisses me off because no one challenges him. He has answered about La Parka, basically saying he was just a luchador and had his role in the cruiserweight divsion. I always wanted to counter with, HE WEIGHED 240 POUNDS, why would you bring in a 240 luchador if you have no role other than the cruiserweight division where he was too big to compete!

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