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    The Miz

    If 'Plan think Seth Rollins is the best wrestler in the WWE right now, I think he's wrong. I'd argue his opponent last week was. Entertaining on the mic, suddenly very capable in the ring and with more character depth than Rollins could dream of. I'm a Mizfan. Hopefully he wins Money in the Bank.

    Anyway, he at least deserves a thread.

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    I was talking on twitter with someone that asked if there was anyone else in the company that is a better all round package than Miz right now?

    I honestly was struggling to answer, Rollins is the obvious other guy and I'd say Bryan at his peak. Although they are great they are both a step behind Miz on the mic while they are potentially a step beyond him in terms of wrestling ability. I'm splitting hairs as we are talking about the absolute best but Miz stacks up pretty well compared to both of them.

    The only other guy I could pull out of left field is Dean Ambrose who I'd say is the only guy on the The Miz's level on the mic and is actually quite similar in the ring too, although being out injured handicaps him in the discussion right now.

    Crazy that this guy that Miz has come so far, I remember when he blew up in 2010 thinking 'there might be something here' but I would never have picked him to be amongst the absolute top guys in the company.

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    Since Bryan had to quit there's been one constant in the WWE main roster matches I've really liked. And that's The Miz. I'd have called you crazy if you'd said that before the 2016 brand split, and yet here we are.

    Funny thing for us to finally agree on, Nony.

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    Miz has become a secret workhorse. It's amazing, actually, his sudden putting of everything back together.

    It's been said, but stands repeating: I really do think that concussion from Mania 27 had serious linngerinng side effects and it's taken him years to get back to that level again. It certainly feels like there was something suddenly changed.

    I think I really started to notice it about Extreme Rules 2016, so that's the past two years that I'd proably peg The Miz as being either the guy, or on his way to being the guy, in the midcard.

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    The Miz is most likely winning MITB and taking the title off AJ by then end of the year. This, as I stated in the previous version of the forums, is to set up Bryan's Rumble win and challenging the Miz for the WWE title at Mania.

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    Miz is really gaining my respect. He has such appreciation for tradition he wants the IC and WWE Titles to be taken seriously. In a new SI interview he stated the WWE Title should always close a PPV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Powder
    The Miz is most likely winning MITB and taking the title off AJ by then end of the year. This, as I stated in the previous version of the forums, is to set up Bryan's Rumble win and challenging the Miz for the WWE title at Mania.
    Great scenario!

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    Totally agree with Ollie that WM27 derailed Miz far more than we have known, because he was very nearly as good before that as he is now. But now, holy crap, he really is better than ever. I think he smokes Rollins on the mic and does laps around Ambrose's recent work, and I think in the ring he's become one of the best in the world today at engaging the crowd, building a story, creating believable near falls, and holding a match together while some other guy does flips around him. The man is on another level right now, it's amazing and I'm so glad for the guy who looked like he was going nowhere fast just a few short years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizfan View Post
    because he was very nearly as good before that as he is now.
    The thing for me is that now, I buy into what he does. Back then, he seemed like a guy who was trying to be annoying. Which makes sense because that's obviously what he was, but I think if you're looking to buy into it there's a whole other level there that he's at now.

    I do buy the injury thing though, because he turned to dross for a while there and even his fans didn't really like watching him.

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    That was a tough period for me, it's true!

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    Part of me wants him to try a face run. As hes the ultimate heel, it would be interesting. Moments like when hes chatted about his family and when hes just gotten face pops have made me wonder though.

    I do think he could pull it off one day.

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    There is absolutely money in an eventual face run. His real story is genuinely inspiring, even more so now that he's clawed his way back to the top of the mountain against all odds AGAIN after doing it once and then falling off. The family stuff is also potentially great. I'm not sure WWE has the chops for it right now but maybe down the line.

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    He is just such a great heel though. One of the few genuine heels left, someone who isn't afraid of acting like a coward when it comes down to it (although he has been toning down that side of his character in recent months).

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    Interesting development, Miz says Bryan isn't at his level... and Bryan agrees, saying that Miz has having great matches and since his return he's obviously got work to do if he wants to get back to the top level.

    Honest answer. Not sure it does much for the feud!

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    Especially since he has been back for barely 2 months and one of those performances was 70+ minutes in the Greatest Royal Rumble.

    I guess it distances them and gives Bryan something he has to work towards before he can take on The Miz. Does make me wonder when they are going to pull the trigger. Suggests to me that it may be a little later, possibly even putting it off to Mania.
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    Bryan didn’t steal the show again Big Cass, but the Miz really did. Although quality of opposition is a factor.

    I don’t think the Rumble equates to much. That match was a fun mess and whilst Bryan was a focal point, I wouldn’t say it was his best work. He needs to feud with a decent wrestler. I’d like to see him fight Shelton Benjamin or someone of that level. The Cass feud does nothing for him.

    I’m still shocked Miz hasn’t taken time off for his baby. Is he just too important these days?
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    Pretty sure Miz is a Cena-level workaholic, so that might explain it. He also probably knows he's hotter now than he has been in years, maybe ever, so it'd be a bad time to ask off. That's what killed Steamboat's push permanently back in the day.

    Fascinating development with Bryan. Reminds me of in the original NXT, when he said he should be eliminated because he had a losing streak.

    I feel like it makes sense too, think about how badly Bryan wants to beat Miz. If he rushes in while he's still rusty, even slightly, and gets beat, that's an unbelievable psychological defeat. Like, a crippling one. I dig the idea that Bryan is holding back his desire to swing wildly at Miz, instead making sure his arsenal if fully restocked before going back to work. God, that's going to be a hell of a match when it happens.

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    I like that idea, a furious but focused Bryan would truly be a danger to The Miz. Right now, especially after the Rollins match it does feel like Miz would be able to handle Bryan.

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    Could Bryan vs Miz be a/the main event at the next WrestleMania? It's possible the most foreshadowed and epic possible feud in the leadup.

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    It certainly has the makings of an awesome video package dating all the way back to NXT

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    Man, if you think about it that's like 7-8 years of kind of semi-continuous feuding. How many people can say that? In a weird way, they were made for each other. I seriously can't wait for that match to go down, wherever it ends up being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    Could Bryan vs Miz be a/the main event at the next WrestleMania? It's possible the most foreshadowed and epic possible feud in the leadup.
    Yes, Miz should win MITB (possibly by screwing Bryan at the last moment) and call his shot in advance for Survivor Series in Los Angeles. Bryan should win the Rumble and there we have the top Mania main event that they could ask for in the company at this time.

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    Cena gave Miz a shout out as one of the guys who has the right attitude which is interesting given how systematically he burreied the guy at the start of the decade.

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    And at WM last year. Why couldn't Cena (WWE) let the Miz win the match with Maryse and still have Cena propose?

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    That would have been pretty awesome too, he could have said something like "I may not have won the match but I got something even more important".

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    I think in any other company, this would be a massive feud, and they would brilliantly play up the 8 year history between them, and even tie in some of the backstage stuff about how WWE management really didn't think much of Bryan in NXT because of his size, and actually consciously tried to bury him (something that Bryan talks about in his WWE-sanctioned book). But I don't have faith that the WWE would a) even do this feud for a Mania main event, b) treat it, and book it properly and incorporate the rich, long story and details.

    This is something NJPW would be good at. Like how they told the Shibata/Tanahashi story in their feud, and about Shibata/Tanahashi's real life heat over Tanahashi feeling that Shibata 'abandoned the company when it was struggling', and then Shibata coming back and 'righting that wrong, through hard work, and earning people's respect'. They had an awesome match, and they incorporated all this years-long backstory into it.

    Here's a picture recap that was unfortunately too large to link in image format:

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc...n_shibata_and/
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    I don't think Cena necessarily buried Miz in their original feud. The booking certainly buried the guy, they should have never let that horrible I Quit match go down the way it did, but I never got the impression Cena was looking to push Miz down. If anything I thought Cena always liked Miz because they are basically identical in their attitude, which is to work hard nonstop in and out of the ring.

    Comparing Bryan/Miz to Shibata/Tanahashi is very interesting. It's not 1 to 1, obviously, but I can absolutely see some similarities. I also agree that I don't have a lot of faith in WWE to execute it to maximize it's potential, but in any form I think it's still going to be a real pleasure.

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    Gotta say that since coming to Smackdown things have possibly stalled a little for Miz. Coming in off an absolute barn burner with Rollins he played his part in the MITB but hardly stood out and now seems to be matchless at Extreme Rules AND just got beaten by Jeff HArdy for the US Title.

    What is really next for Miz?

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    I think that the Miz is in a holding pattern until the WWE wants to pull the trigger on the Bryan feud.

    I've said it before, but my best guess to how this plays out:

    The Miz will feud with AJ Styles after SummerSlam and will win the title from Styles by Survivor Series. Styles gets his rematch at the Rumble, but the Miz retains. Later that night, Bryan finally wins the Rumble and there we have it.

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    As anybody else seen this?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WWE/statu...-news-video%2F

    The Miz is my dude. Sweet Jeebus, this is on another level.

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    Yeah this is fantastic thanks for pointing out out. This whole feud has been pulled off very well. Tonight on smackdown the surprise of Bryan attacking out of nowhere was done well too. I really hope they give this a full video package Monster style.

    Who wins though, there has got to be more future in the feud of Miz wins but then again I would have said the same thing about Gargano and Ciampa.

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    I am looking forward more to just the Miz/Bryan pre-match promotional video package at SummerSlam more than I am any SummerSlam match from the entire RAW side of things.

    Best thing going into SummerSlam, head and shoulders above the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSam View Post
    Yeah this is fantastic thanks for pointing out out. This whole feud has been pulled off very well. Tonight on smackdown the surprise of Bryan attacking out of nowhere was done well too. I really hope they give this a full video package Monster style.

    Who wins though, there has got to be more future in the feud of Miz wins but then again I would have said the same thing about Gargano and Ciampa.
    Miz wins, hands down. And maybe clean, too. All reports are that Bryan has yet to re-sign. That's the primary reason that they're doing this match at SummerSlam. If Bryan hasn't re-signed by the show, there's no reason to not put Miz over 100% clean, and I'd imagine Bryan would be happy to do the honours. If he has re-signed, then Miz wins but on some sort of technicality or with some controversy so that after he's beaten AJ Styles for the WWE Title -- perhaps at Survivor Series -- he can deny Bryan a rematch for the belt since he's "already beaten him" only for Bryan to win the Rumble.

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    Coach is absolutely right, specifically because of Bryan's situation. As of today he hasn't re-signed and we're less than a month away from his contract expiring. Even more interesting is the fact that All In is less than a month away and they have yet to announce Kenny Omega's match for that show, despite having a ready made opponent in Pentagon who hasn't been booked. I'm wondering if they're keeping it open for the possibility that Bryan may wind up available. Either way until something changes, Miz should win and should win clean.


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    Is Bryan's contract up as of September 1? Like, could he work SummerSlam, then All In, then re-sign and be back on SmackDown on Tuesday?

    It's a tough spot for Cody & Co. It's sold out anyway, so what does it matter what they promote...but I feel like if they announced Bryan in advance WWE would try to do something to fuck with it. Something that would tie Bryan up for an extra day or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Farrell View Post
    Is Bryan's contract up as of September 1? Like, could he work SummerSlam, then All In, then re-sign and be back on SmackDown on Tuesday?

    It's a tough spot for Cody & Co. It's sold out anyway, so what does it matter what they promote...but I feel like if they announced Bryan in advance WWE would try to do something to fuck with it. Something that would tie Bryan up for an extra day or two.
    In theory he could absolutely do that. The only thing preventing that from happening would be Vince being so mad he wouldn't want Bryan back afterwards and there is absolutely no way I can buy that being a possibility. I'm still stunned so few have brought up the fact that Bryan has all the power here. WWE needs him more than he needs them, he doesn't care that much about money, he has all this stuff he wants to do that can only be done outside the WWE umbrella (a big Tokyo Dome match, a hair match in CMLL, so on and so forth) and he's just watched Chris Jericho prove that you can go back and forth between two companies (although there is a rumor that Vince is upset with Jericho for taking the Naito match). I wouldn't doubt at all he's decided to take the Jericho route, work per date for places and keep all his options open. We'll find out shortly and this match with the Miz will probably be a strong indication either way.

    If Bryan is on All In by the way, I don't think it would be that tough a spot for Cody and them. As you said Coach, the show is already sold out; they really don't have to announce anything else if they don't want to, even to get more PPV buys (I think they'll draw there just based on sure curiosity). If they know they have Bryan, all they need to do is have Kenny announce he's issuing an open challenge for the main event on Being the Elite and they can ride the speculation all the way to the match. That might be even better than announcing Omega-Bryan straight up, as it offers the possibility that other people (like say, CM Punk) could answer the challenge.


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    I thought i read that Bryan signed a short 3 month extension?

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    Last month Sean Ross Sapp reported that Bryan and WWE had agreed on a deal. A day later Meltzer refuted that report and while he didn't back off it, Ross Sapp did admit it was possible he had been worked by his source. The only thing since then was Meltzer, once again, stating that Bryan hadn't re-signed as of earlier this week. I imagine if Bryan did re-sign it would be something the WWE website would report on given how big a star he is and the fact they haven't also confirms he's still undecided going into this final month.


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    Surely any non-compete clause in Bryan's contract would preclude him from appearing at All In given the televised/streaming nature of it? I thought that WWE's non-competes normally let people work as long as it wasn't something people could watch live, hence why they always get immediate bookings but don't turn up in RoH/TNA/NJPW for a few months?

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    If Bryan is on All In by the way, I don't think it would be that tough a spot for Cody and them. As you said Coach, the show is already sold out; they really don't have to announce anything else if they don't want to, even to get more PPV buys (I think they'll draw there just based on sure curiosity). If they know they have Bryan, all they need to do is have Kenny announce he's issuing an open challenge for the main event on Being the Elite and they can ride the speculation all the way to the match. That might be even better than announcing Omega-Bryan straight up, as it offers the possibility that other people (like say, CM Punk) could answer the challenge.
    Equally, if they thought there was a chance of Bryan getting to do this, they could always start the process. If it's an open challenge, they have a ready made answer in Flip Gordon - while he's not booked, the loophole would be he's answering an open challenge.
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    I was led to believe that early termination of a WWE contract is when the 90 day no compete clause is enforced.. or if someone chooses to leave early. Not when the contract is up.

    Having said that, I don't see Bryan at All in. Regardless, Miz should win this match. It would set him up nicely for a match with AJ or more matches with Bryan if/when Bryan stays.
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    If the WWE has Bryan beat the Miz at SummerSlam, then the Miz will be done forever. The Miz NEEDS the win. Bryan can absorb the loss and lose one ounce of respect or popularity. But the loss will kill the Miz.

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